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Just had a Big Talk with dh about his drinking and other issues.

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bushymcbush · 29/08/2012 00:14

I told him that if he chooses to continue drinking we will have to split up because I choose to no longer live my life in misery.

We've been here before and he usually makes a token effort to cut down (never stop altogether Hmm) for a short time - a couple of weeks maybe - then reverts to drinking at least a bottle of wine by himself every night. Sometimes more.

Before some of you tell me that it's not that much and what's the problem, I should add that he does this even though we have very little money coming in right now and 2 dc to support. He really struggles to not drink. I don't want to spend time with him when he is drinking and I don't want to have sex with him when he is drinking, so it's a massive barrier to us enjoying our relationship. I no longer go back downstairs after putting the dc to bed but prefer to stay upstairs in 'my' space while he remains downstairs with his wine in front of the telly in 'his' space. That's not a marriage I can bear to be in any longer.

Other issue is his being out of work and doing almost nothing to get work. He has had some freelance stuff this month but he didn't seek it out, it came to him. We desperately need him to be earning money or we may not be able to put food on the table next month (yet he still spends minimum £50 week on booze rather than save for next month).

I suggested to him that the two things (drinking and lack of motivation / direction) might be linked but he doesn't think they are. To be fair, he has been drinking like this for 20 years (I know, I was stupid for marrying him and irresponsible for having children with him - please don't say it, it's never that simple and I can't change that now) but he had plenty of work until 2 years ago. But now the work he does has dwindled to nothing (because of the industry he is in) he just sits and waits for something to happen and complains that he doesn't know what he wants to do with his life. In 6 months he has applied for 3 jobs. Not bloody good enough.

So he said tonight he will 'do something about' the drinking and I suggested he needs some kind of help with that or we'll be back at square one very soon and I won't go back to square one again.

He said he wont drink tomorrow night and we'll talk again.

I'm posting this as a record for myself of what's happening because I'm determined that this time, things will get properly and permanently sorted or its the end of the road. Also, I'm posting for hand holding and support, and to ask you to kick me up the arse if I let things slide. I don't want to live like this any more and I don't want my dd's growing up with it either.

If you've read this far, thank you.

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GoldenSeptember · 11/09/2012 10:43

Thanks for clarifying that OP. I'm glad he poured the wine down the sink this morning and that you're feeling a bit better about things.

Listen to Faire - she is very very wise. Wink

MostlyFine · 11/09/2012 14:02

Isn't it though? I am rather new after quite a bit of lurking and the support given here is often very moving. I am in awe of this thread a bit actually - the support you have been given is truly amazing, as you say no matter how far they agree / disagree with my actions.

Just keep it firmly in mind that you are doing a great job. I hope everything works out for the best for you.

Fairenuff · 11/09/2012 20:33

He saw his GP about drinking concerns four years ago?

And in all that time, what has changed?

bushymcbush · 11/09/2012 21:24

Nothing has changed. He has been drinking like this for a lot more than 4 years. His GP didn't offer any support or advice. She simply told him he would have to be more responsible now he had a baby on the way. It didn't help.

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bushymcbush · 11/09/2012 21:26

No alcohol in the bushy house tonight.

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MostlyFine · 11/09/2012 23:11

excellent! and long may it continue

tribpot · 12/09/2012 06:22

Good news, bushy.

Ajaney · 12/09/2012 08:04

Hi bushy. This is good news and shows your DP is trying to make a change.

My DP went to the doctors a few years ago about his drinking and was basically given the number of AA and told to contact them. He was in the room about 2 minutes! He said he tried to explain why he thought he was drinking and that he felt down and depressed when he tried to go without for more than 3 or 4 days but that doctor was not interested, just handed him the number and said that his problem was the amount of alcohol (err yes we knew that!) and he needed to cut down to a sensible amount. He did cut back for a few weeks then it started to creep up again. That was a female doctor who has now retired.

The GP he has now has been really good and has engaged with my DP, not made him feel like a silly boy and took him seriously. This is a male doctor, from india i think and i could kiss him lol!

Hope things continue in a positive way for you

Fairenuff · 12/09/2012 08:22

It might be worth asking the surgery if they have a doctor that specialises or has a particular interest in alcohol dependency. Your dh needs more practical support, possibly something to help him sleep, that kind of thing.

I am a bit concerned though that if he keeps trying to do it alone he will relapse and give up trying again. That is the usual cycle. If he is still doing the same things he did four years ago I can't see how it will be any different this time.

Controlled drinking is the hardest route for a problem drinker. Stopping completely is much easier because once you have stopped you just need to stay stopped.

Controlled drinking means that you have to stop, and stop again, and again and again. And stopping is of course the hardest bit. This is why it fails so often. That is why your dh has not been able to do it before. It's difficult for some people, impossible for others.

bushymcbush · 12/09/2012 09:55

DH has a meeting tonight with some people he works with ... and it's in a pub. Not his idea.

However, he told me he plans to drink alcohol free beer if they have a decent one, or just soft drinks. He is driving so ordinarily he would have only had one drink - but would then use that as an excuse to carry on at home ("I've got the taste for it now.")

So I am hoping he keeps to his plan - it will be hard as he is in an industry where heavy drinking and even drug taking is the norm. But he really does seem determined.

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tribpot · 12/09/2012 10:16

That's a tough one, bushy - I hope he does okay. The driving is a good reason to avoid even having one, though - lots of the guys I work with will only have a Coke if they're going to be driving afterwards.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2012 10:46

Bushy

Oh Bushy:(

You;re still stuck on that merry go round aren't you?.

With regards to your H its any excuse to have a drink; he has likely told you he has to attend this works do as well (not that he seems to have been recently working very hard to find work anyway). Non alcoholic beer cuts no ice either; he should not be drinking any alcohol at all or putting himself in the way of such temptation.

What you have done to date and are trying is not working. We are now nearly half way through September so this month end is fast approaching.

Re the previously unhelpful doctor even healthcare workers may have a part in keeping the Merry-Go-Round turning. Unless your H is dead serious about wanting to receive proper help for his alcoholism there is nothing you can do to change that no matter how much you want change.

GoldenSeptember · 12/09/2012 14:17

Gee I wish I was so sure and certain of everything as Attila is. Hmm

GoldenSeptember · 12/09/2012 14:22

With regards to your H its any excuse to have a drink; he has likely told you he has to attend this works do as well (not that he seems to have been recently working very hard to find work anyway). Non alcoholic beer cuts no ice either; he should not be drinking any alcohol at all or putting himself in the way of such temptation.

I mean WTAF? The bloke can't win, can he - not looking for work hard enough, but if he attends a meeting to do with work then that's seeking an excuse to drink? I can't see what the problem is - he said he'd drink alcohol free (ie neglibible amounts) beer or a soft drink. You're thumping your drum so hard on this thread Attila that I'm surprised the OP can hear herself think.

It all sounds positive to me OP - steps in the right direction. Smile

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/09/2012 18:58

A pub and an alcoholic is a very bad combination.

He should not be drinking alcohol at all, even the low alcohol stuff.

bushymcbush · 13/09/2012 00:52

No alcohol in MrBushy tonight. He drank soft drinks.

To clarify the situation Attila, this wasn't a 'work do', it was a meeting with colleagues to discuss a work issue. (I know you think he's pulling the wool over my eyes but I do know this to be absolutely genuine.) This is part of his part time venture, which he does some evenings. It's a day job he is lacking. Although he does have some freelance work for the next couple of days.

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GoldenSeptember · 13/09/2012 08:28

Great news bushy. Smile I bet he's feeling better mentally and physically for drinking less over the last week - hopefully that will give him a bit of a boost towards looking for work.

tribpot · 15/09/2012 13:52

Hope things are peaceful this weekend, bushy.

bushymcbush · 17/09/2012 10:27

Update - things aren't great.

We had a serious parenting issue last week, which I posted about under a different name. Will link to it in a mo. I almost left him over that alone.

This weekend he drank on 3 nights. Friday night, he drank til he was drunk despite being in sole charge of our (asleep) 4yo due to me and the baby being elsewhere that evening. Sat evening he was working and me and the DC were away for the night. He bought a bottle of wine on his way home. He drank one glass, fell asleep then went to bed, leaving the rest of the bottle. Sunday evening he drank again.

I confronted him late last night (while he was already under the influence - I know, stupid decision). He got angry and came up with all sorts of bullshit justifications. Such as: it was only one glass; you weren't even here; I bought it for Sunday; I decided not to drink on Sunday but there was most of the bottle left and it's a good bottle so I'm not wasting it; it was technically Sunday as after 12 so I didn't drink Saturday; I'm trying really hard give me a break. (This last one did pull at my heartstrings - the others, not so much.)

He said he would start to hide it from me if I try to police him. He thinks I am looking for an excuse to leave him and doesn't understand what I'm trying to do.

Then he calmed down and said it wasn't a good time to talk because he was drunk and being unreasonable. He said we'll talk tonight when he's sober. He said he loves me and sorry for arguing. I must admit, at the time I couldn't return those sentiments.

This thread (and my other thread) doesn't paint a good picture of him. They focus on all the bad stuff. Just for the record, he is basically a good guy. He does good stuff every day. We've been together since we were teenagers. And leaving him will break my heart. Hardest decision I'll ever have to make. I honestly don't know if I have the resolve or strength of mind to follow it through.

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bushymcbush · 17/09/2012 10:32

Found it really hard to send the last post because I know what you're all going to say.

I don't feel strong today.

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bushymcbush · 17/09/2012 10:35

my other thread

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Offred · 17/09/2012 10:45

Gah... I don't want to say what you know I want to. The alcoholism isn't the only issue then. Sad it must be very hard to leave someone you have been with all your life but, he hit your child and doesn't understand it is wrong, he is an alcoholic and doesn't understand it is harming you all. The truest thing he said was that if you
Police him he'll hide it. What you are doing isn't working and there is no "almost leaving" there is leaving or not leaving. Sad

HenriettaChicken · 17/09/2012 10:49

So sorry to see this, Bushy. I think we live fairly near each other - if you want to get out for a cuppa at some point then DM me (on here or FB) I can't offer advice, but I can listen.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/09/2012 10:55

Bushy

The ball is very much in your court now Bushy. Only you can decide what to do re your H; you have a choice re this man and your children do not.

Is this really the life you want for them, what do you want their memories of childhood to be like?.

I feel for you bushy and you have been with this person since you were a teen but what is your future really now with him?. More of the same, more of his promises that come to nothing, more excuses and self justification not to do anything concrete about his alcoholism. What you have tried to date has not worked so it is time for you to adopt a different tack and you need to fully detach.

Alcohol is indeed a cruel mistress.

Where's your own rock bottom re him Bushy?. Where is your bottom line here?

Leaving him will break your heart yes of course it will and you have history together - but your family is having the heart ripped out of it anyway by his actions. I don't doubt that he is at heart a good guy but his attitude and actions suggest that his alcohol dependency is all encompassing with the associated effects on your day to day lives. Alcoholism is truly a family disease, you're all caught up in it albeit in different ways.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/09/2012 11:01

I will reiterate the 3cs re alcoholism to you Bushy

  1. You did not cause it
  2. You cannot control it (I make particular reference to that one)
  3. You cannot cure it