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Is there a guide to getting over someone, anywhere?

338 replies

calibri · 25/06/2012 12:08

I have been in love with the same man for about 10 years. I worked for him, although not anymore. He had a girlfriend (later his wife), I had a string of boyfriends and then a husband. Nothing went on whilst we were married . Both our marriages went to the wall and we resumed our usual on-off thing not long after. He was initially móre keen on a relationship than me (I had no trust at all and was very disinclined to get hurt), then it briefly aligned, then I was more keen than him, although we have always remained capable of being very good friends who get on like a house on fire and have the most incredible sex. We are less good at maintaining emotional closeness. He's flaky, I don't trust him - blurgh. It's no good for me. I've been through this cycle (with him) about 10 times.

Currently, despite me having tried to end it 3 times, we are back to our usual 'friends with benefits' situation. We text pretty frequently, meet up, have a brilliant time, have great sex, then it drops off again. Doesn't take a genius to work out that the brilliant sex element suits him very well.

We are both going through messy divorces, we both have young children and careers and we live 100 miles apart. It was never going to be easy. My ex husband hates him and blames him for our marriage ending: actually, I was entirely faithful and the end was nothing to do with the OM, but I did fall back to him pretty soon after the marriage ended. OM's ex wife hates me, with more reason: there was something going on during their pre-marriage relationship (2002-2004), I thought they were going to end, because he seemed so unhappy and I couldn't imagine why he could do that and still be with me from time to time, but - hey - that speaks volumes about him. His ex discovered this after they got married. So no one can blame her for giving him absolute shit about me.

I never usually find it difficult to 'call' a situation, but I cannot bloody well get myself out of this. I think it's for the following reasons:

a) It's been over 10 years. Although we haven't ever really had a proper, functioning relationship, we have been in the background of each other's lives for a long time. We just seem able to adapt and change and carry on. I feel manipulated in some ways, but I am choosing to carry on. I could stop.

b) If I could pick any man to be with, it would be him. It irritates the hell out of me because he's so bloody flaky emotionally, but he's also funny, clever, capable, kind and I fancy the arse off him. I call it 'love' bceause it is so stupidly enduring, but I don't kid myself that it's a very healthy emotion. But - shit - if he would just be with me, I would never want anyone else. That is incredibly humiliating, because it's evidently not reciprocated.

c) He won't let me go. He always wants to resume the relationship (at the current level) and, because I basically do want to be with him more than anyone else, I end up going back.

d) I retain some hope that it might work out, one day. The current situation is very difficult, so it's tempting to blame that. But I KNOW he's fucking useless and will never be there for me. Dammit, though, he is under my skin. I don't want anyone else. I'd rather be single. I am single, really, with the occasional rations, which is why it's difficult to say no when he resumes contact after I've told him to bugger off.

e) Because of the above reasons, I never really open myself up to the opportunity of meeting anyone else.

That was so long. Thank you for reading, if you did. It's helped to write it, anyway :)

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yellowraincoat · 07/07/2012 18:57

I think you've had loads of good advice.

I ended up with my long term on-off, incredible sex, we're so close it's amazing partner. And guess what? When you get the daily grind, dirty socks, fucking off with his mates while leaving the house in a tip bollocks, the sheen wears off pretty quickly.

I don't want to sound like a cynical cow, but it is all just an illusion really. Most relationships end up the same unless they are firmly grounded in mutual respect for each other.

Tressy · 07/07/2012 19:08

Yes yellow, and I reckon mine is terrified of this happening so he prefers to have a few on the go so that he doesn't get too attached. But he's hurting lot's of people acting like this.

blusha · 07/07/2012 23:33

Tressy..as far as I can recall, you did the right thing. You set your boundaries and stuck to them.

Tressy · 07/07/2012 23:41

Thanks Blusha. He wanted me to accept it. Imagine if I had and the EA that I would endure afterwards. If I hadn't fallen in love with him I wouldn't have cared enough, he made me feel weak for caring Sad.

Tressy · 07/07/2012 23:45

By caring, I mean having feelings.

mcmooncup · 08/07/2012 00:05

I think it's been mentioned briefly, but I would absolutely second looking at [http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk]]

It is truly brilliant to get over these shit relationships that I seem brilliant at finding

mcmooncup · 08/07/2012 00:06

link again

calibri · 08/07/2012 08:47

TRessy - I missed this. How are you doing, lovely? I had one of those shitty nights on Friday. Fucking awful. Keep talking to us.

Tambasher - yea, yeah, go off him!! Stupid stoned man.

Yellow - you're spot on, you know. It is about respect. I know there are some great men out there, but I don't know if it's very likely I will meet one whom I fancy, so I am now thikning - meh, bugger it, I've got two lovely children and a job and a house which is falling down and 3 exercise classes a week ... I have plenty to commit to and I don't know if I need a man in amongst it all, disrespecting what I care about. ExDH is a big enough challenge, the miserable twatbag (see, he could commit, but he showed very little respect - thought he had himself a mother/socialite/cleaner/cook/sex robot whom he could neglect/disrespect as much as he wished, because he had put a ring on her finger).

Mooncup - I woke up windering why I hadn't look at that website yet. Will check it out, thank you x

Have a good day, ladies x

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Tressy · 08/07/2012 13:25

Hi Calibri, I'm ok, just starting to realise how he basically took the p--s, or how this silence makes it feel as though he did.

Tressy · 08/07/2012 13:26

Hope everyone is feeling ok, sorry meant to add that to my post.

Tambasher · 08/07/2012 19:41

I'm over mine, he doesn't know this yet..... he thinks I am seeing him this week but I am not, neither am I going to answer his texts or anything, let him dangle.

calibri · 09/07/2012 10:10

I dreamt about the bastard last night.

The dream was: he drove up to see me, we went to bed, then afterwards he gradually (and without any apparent concern for my feeelings) let me know he'd gone back to his wife, always loved her, and I was nothing, really.

I know it's a dream, but it's also - I don't know. Like something I needed to spell out to myself.

Particularly true to life was the way he let me find out. Hint here, hint there. After sex, of course.

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mercury7 · 09/07/2012 10:29

I often find it useful to regard dreams as messages or 'nudges' from my unconscious (but 'all seeing') self to my to my (sometimes rather dim) waking self :)

calibri · 09/07/2012 14:42

Yes, the rather dim 'me' certainly fits in with that :)

I'm getting very bitter about the £50 he owes me. FFS. Like I want to be the miserable debt chaser. Just do the right thing, fuckwit.

Not his strong suit, of course.

JUST FUCKING PAY ME AND I CAN WRITE YOU OFF, YOU STUPID USELESS BASTARD.

Is it possible he's keeping this open so he can keep me dangling? I mean - come on - enough of being a dick. I don't want to have to think about this anymore.

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Tressy · 09/07/2012 14:46

Calibri, can you not write if off or take possession of the item, instead. Wink

calibri · 09/07/2012 15:29

Another post I've just lost! Grrr.

Big answer, anyway, Tressy. Lots about me, lots about you, lots of stuff I now can't face re-writing.

Have you looked at the baggage reclaim website? Even the article headers jumped out at me.

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Tressy · 09/07/2012 15:37

Shame I would have liked to have read it Grin.

I've looked at baggage reclaim, some of it is excellent. I'm feeling slightly better now, so will read it again when I feel a whole lot better. I find reading stuff actually put's him in the forefront of my mind and I'm trying to let go.

I thought I glanced him driving into my town as I was going out of town. My imagination says he might have tried to call and I was in my friends car so mine was in the drive and he might have thought I wasn't answering the door on purpose. Or it might not have even been him, or he might have been on his way to call for someone else. I would like to see a glimmer of regret from him perhaps to make me feel less of a mug Sad.

calibri · 10/07/2012 12:25

Tressy - yes, that hurts me, too. It's so incredibly difficult not to interpret his lack of regret as, erm, my lack of worth. Do you know what I mean?

I was thinking the other day, about the one time I was possibly in this situation from the other perspective. A really lovely chap I knew, nothing but sweet to me, attractive, hot stuff etc etc ... but my mind was all consumed with someone else. I was pretty crap to him. He finally turned around and said, "No more", and I sort of shrugged and let him go.

He was lovely. I am occasionally in touch with him and I always feel that, maybe, if I pushed it, I could re-kindle it, but I don't. I don't know why he was so firmly in that other category. But it's almost tribal! He's like he's got the wrong smell or something. But he's gorgeous, funny, sweet, clever ...

Have you ever been on the other side of it?

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calibri · 10/07/2012 12:34

The other thing is ... my impression of you and Tambasher and the other women posting about these useless bastards is that you are all clever, funny, sexy women. These useless bastards make us all feel like crap, but we're hot shit!

Although then I think ... yeah, if there was a little less of the hot shit going on, I wouldn't be in this mess. I am pretty sure I've placed way too much importance on Having A Man since, er, always. At least since I was about 13. I've always got one eye on who's the most attractive man in the room and I want to be fancied. So much of my self worth is centred on being attractive and being desired.

I sent a text to my friend saying, "I'm going to focus on being a mother and maybe do that charity work I wanted to do". It was a bit tongue in cheek ("have you turned into Princess Diana?", was her reply), but actually ... in the long run, I'm going to feel a hell of a lot better about being a good mother than I will about my milkshake bringing all the boys to the yard.

especially as I approach 40

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Tressy · 10/07/2012 12:39

Yes I have, probably more times that I realised, as some of the guys in question went quietly so I didn't know if they were upset and having to get over it.

Some didn't go quietly but I do like to think that I have tried to be nice about it Grin. Mostly I've ended things because they got on my nerves, were dickheads or as you say just 'something' not right. I wouldn't keep someone dangling.

Tressy · 10/07/2012 12:49

Calibri, I could have written your last post at your age. It took me along time to get out of that frame of mind but it happened. I used to worry it wouldn't, have really enjoyed just doing family stuff in favour of nightlife etc, these past few years.

'He' was still in it despite being at an age when he really should have grown out of it.

Inneedofbrandy · 10/07/2012 13:38

Have never posted on relationships before, just want to put my two cents in. Dont know how to link but baggage reclaim site is amazing! Cant recommend it enough google it right now!

Inneedofbrandy · 10/07/2012 13:39

Oh ive just read up the last page and realised other people have said same thing sorry Blush is really worth a look though.

Tambasher · 10/07/2012 16:15

S was texting away last night, I finally texted "I am not texting you, I am in a mood and not in the mood to text" then he texted "Now don't you get stressed outover anything" then "think I wil just just ahave a j a go to bed" I missed this last text as I was aleep.

I've told the window cleaner I am seeing a guy.

I've yet to come up with an excuse for facebook guy who wants coffee and chat.

Althouhg I could just ignore him, I was thinking of saying to S, "sorry I cannot see you I have a date with a guy who has potential for the future" or "no I am confortable being with you when you are loking for better on dating site"
Or just ignoring him completely, if he texts again!

Tressy · 11/07/2012 10:24

Tam, it's up to you but if you keep replying with digs then you are allowing him to keep playing games. I would ignore him completely. You are still in that annoyed state that only cutting contact can solve, IYSWIM.

If you look at the baggage reclaim website they advise no contact for at least a month, even two. It's not a tactic to get someone back, but to get over the hurt/rejection/mourn the loss of the relationship you hoped you were heading for. This stops you having bitter/self pitying exchanges. If contact isn't resumed you are allowing yourself the space needed to begin to get over it and if it is then you can be more pleasant and reasonable. Hope this makes sense.