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Rumours at DH's work

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Ormiriathomimus · 23/06/2012 20:49

He is one of the few men working in this school. Last year rumour started that he was having an affair with one of his assistants. Nasty particularly because her H is an abusive twat and if he got to hear these rumours the consequences could be pretty bad. Rumour was quashed by HT would sent strongly worded memo about spreading malicious rumours.

Anyway it has started again. Assistant in question is in the process of trying to end her marriage and is in a very difficult position.

But right now, I am more concerned about me. Selfish I know but I am recovering from depression and still a bit unstable. I know he isn't unfaithful. I know they are just stupid rumours. But it hurts to think that so many people (some of whom I know socially) might beleive these rumours and in fact be spreading them. It makes me feel undesirable and ugly, middle-aged and stupid, a sap who is being take for a ride.

I can't tell you how upset it has made me feel. It had made me angry with DH for being the sort of man he is - the sort of person who gets close to other and shows that he cares about them, and lays himself open to rumours.

Can anyone understand me?

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Lemonylemon · 27/06/2012 14:07

I've no advice to offer really, as other posters have given you brilliant advice. I'd agree that you may like to dig up some of your old threads about your relationship. I think given what's happened now, you might find them an eye-opener.

Sometimes when things aren't sitting right, things aren't making sense, you're getting a funny feeling about things, it can seem like you're going mad. But you're not. It's your instincts and intuition telling you all is not well. It is said that depression is anger turned inwards. I'm one of those who thinks that perhaps your depression will lift if your H is not there.

All I would say is that you ask him to leave for a while to give you some headspace to sort things through. You deserve at least that. In fact, you deserve so much more, for as a start, some space for you to think.

Xales · 27/06/2012 14:08

lastnerve he had confessed to being in love with OW and having chosen OP because OW dumped him last week Sad

Lemonylemon · 27/06/2012 14:08

Sorry, x-posted with Xales.

AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 14:12

just checking in with you, Orm

you have had some brilliant advice today, I agree with it all

do you fear that if you ask him to leave, you will "push him" to her ?

think about it like this: if that were to happen you have your clear answer, and will have potentially saved yourself months of fear, pain and distrust because he was going to do it anyway (when it suited them both)

take care, lovely, and keep posting

we have no expectations of what you will do with our advice, but I hope at least we are assisting you in asking the right questions....of him, and of yourself x

RichTeaAreCrap · 27/06/2012 14:25

Just read this Orm, I am so sorry this has happened and feel so sad for you going through this.

How are you feeling today?

There is some great advise on here for you to digest when you feel ready. I agree with a lot of the other posters, you need to ask him to leave for a while at least. At the moment he can see that he can do something so horrendous and you will beg him not to leave. I can't believe he said you can't be angry with the OW. Why is he still protecting her? If he was genuinely sorry she would be his last priority. He needs to see the consequences of what he has done (i.e. he is asked to leave the home and the marriage) and until he does he will not realise the enormity of his actions.

lastnerve · 27/06/2012 14:29

Sorry I've read all of it now, does whats best for YOU op thats my best advice really.

Tambasher · 27/06/2012 14:33

Strangely enough my EXH done this twice, the first time he said it was just "kissing" I still do not know the truth about that as I wanted to believe that part, he did scream in my face towards the end of our relationship that is wasn't "just kissing", she was younger, she was having problems at work, he listened to her, she listened to him, I was too busy being moody, depressed and pregnant.

He didn't want me to blame this "girl" either, I did though, I tracked her down and went to her door, she wouldn't answer, so I basically stalked her, with my 3 week old baby in the car. This went on for months. Until one day he finally screamed down the phone at her to F@ck off, that made me feel better.

We went to Relate after this but I walked out on the session as I felt the lady didn''t wan to discuss the affair, she wanted to move on from that and I wasn't ready.

I moved house so we could really get over it and he did seem to change after that and was kinder, drug free and everything he done was for us.

His second, was/is again a younger woman, her brother has just died and she was living with someone who abused her (as he did me) so EX removed this man from the house, then moved himself in.

He spent the next year pretending to come and see the boys but asking "how can we fix this", "can you ever forgive me" and "can we ever get over this" "what have I done" "what a mess" stupidly I thought I could forgive it all, I was looking at a site which I wish I hadn't now, but may help you, "Surviving an Affair" and Marriage Builders, my EXH is still with his younger bitch now and she is pregnant with their second child, she lost the first one, she fell pregnant after 2/3 weeks of them being together, then the 2nd time, he came back here stayed 2 nights, we knew it was over so he left and moved back in with her...and the dates tie in with her falling pregnant once again. Baby due August which I hope will take up more of his time and he will leave us alone, for good.

My marriage was horrid though, he was abusive and controlling and he still tries to be but I see it as a blessing that he met her as she also seems to be quite an abusive person who likes to be controlled, they are also both on heroin, so it's a match made in heroin I say, I was torn apart when he left though, more for my loss of marriage than anything else, I would have taken him back even after she was pregnant, he said "it is fate" they lost the first baby and "baby died as he was supposed to be with us" I was weak then though and depressed and he played on that.

Now I would not spit on him if he was on fire and filed for Divorce 4 weeks ago. (Lawyer wanted to wait the year so he couldn't refuse)

Your DH needs to take more blame than he is doing, the other thing about EX first affair was even after it he was still "sneaking about" to call her each night, I had no idea, I just thought he was being helpful by going to the shops, every night, he also didn't want me to comfront her, he was very protective of her too, he said afterwards he just didn't want me finding out and didn't know how to end it without this happening? Then 6 days after the birth of DS2 he screamed in my face that he had this affair, sorry he called it a "friendship" Hmm at the beginning of the pregnancy and that I knew something was going on. (Which I did really, well I knew something was going on, I just had no proof, just a gut feeling)

Both afffairs though were/are with younger women who EX felt needed him, I don't think I could have done anything different after the first affair, I did ask him to leave but he refused, he said he wanted us to work this out, he didn't want to be with her he wanted to be with me and I was somehow flattered/hopeful for us by this.

If I could have gone back in time I would have made him move out after the first affair and made him feel more responsible rather than it all being about "how bad it was at home". I also would never have let him come back as he really just wasted another 6 years of my life by going off and doing it again. I never ever forgave the first affair and this was his excuse for the second.

Don't be second best to anyone Orm, you and your DC deserve better.

The reason I say not to text/call her as I did this both times and the first girl just found the whole situation hilarious (she was 19), the 2nd actually called me up, to advise me to stop texting her boyfriend (my EXH), she also took great pleasure in detailing when they "made love", they are his words he used with me for 15 years.... I almost LOL tbh if I hadn't been so shattered by it all, she then phoned me up many more times just to get to me, I ended up having to change all numbers and had Solictor draw up letters to stop them contacting me.

Thankfully, my DC are not involved in/with them as I refuse to allow my DC to go to a drug addicts house, her DC were also taken into care. Sadly my EX is too weak to go get help from a Lawyer for supervised visits so his boys miss out.

My Dc know everything, I was advised not to hide anything from them, so I don't, they know have heard me being screamed at by this OW and refuse to go near their house even if they were allowed, they detest OW, I realise this may change as they get older.

One of the funniest thing Ex said to me when he came back for the 2 nights, was "she says she understands me" "do you understand me?" Hmm, yeah I understand he is weak, controlling, bullying, abusive complusive liar who thinks of no-one but himself.

Our situations are different but the women seem to be very alike, it took me a good 2/3 years to get over the first affair and even then it still came out in arguments because I ever ever knew the truth. I phoned the B&B he moved into whilst this affair was going on (pretending to be his boss querying payments) and I know she stayed there 2 nights, so this heightened my suspicions of it being more than "friend" and "kissing" but to this day I do not know the truth, I spoke to her friends and apparently "she wasn't like that" i.e. she wouldn't have slept with him but she stayed over at a B&B wth him????

I don't know whether to post this as it's all about me, but I hope that somewhere in this story/nightmare there will be something of use to you. Such as my willingness to forgive all and make everything okay just for the sake of our children and for the 15 years we did have together.

I hope this mess ends up happier than mine but tbh for us, it has turned out fine due to him being an abusive/controlling man who will never change.

Feel free to scroll though this but I hope it can help you in some way.

EX father did the exact same, EX has 2 step-sisters, his father is also bully/controlling etc. he is Jehovas Witness Elder so this seems to make him a nice person though. I see the fear in EX-MIL though, running after his every need!

AGiraffeUnderTheFloorBoards · 27/06/2012 14:43

Orm - I am getting increasingly angry on your behalf the more I think about this.

He must have lost total credibility with his HT (and colleagues) as well surely. Hasn't she been sending out messages trying to put an end to these "rumours"? Well they've both put their professional integrity seriously on the line by allowing the HT to believe they are the victims of vicious gossip.

I think you have every right to point this out to him so he realises his behaviour has real life consequences - on you, on your DCs, family and friends as well as on his career. He needs to stop with this "ooh I've chosen you and I love her". He needs to grow a back bone and grow up - and take a good look at how he's behaved at work and home and think about how to rectify this. He's also her senior at work - she could have a pretty good case for sexual harassment if she wanted to go down that route. It's a messy bed HE'S created and I don't think you harm yourself in anyway by pointing this out to him. People treat us in a way we allow them to get away with. Do not be afraid or worried about telling him you deserve better than this.

I am so happy to read that you enjoy your work and respected there. Brilliant that you are getting the recognition you deserve there. Good luck Orm.

bleedingheart · 27/06/2012 14:53

Yes, if I was the head teacher and I found out I'd been taken for a mug, I'd be inclined to encourage one or both of them to move to pastures new. Stupid to let the head defend him when it was true.

Tambasher · 27/06/2012 15:21

Orm Sorry about the length of that post I didn't realise I had typed so much.

I just read back she is married, I wonder if the OW, DH knows anything about this ? I am not saying you should tell him, I just wonder if he has also heard these rumours.

Ormiriathomimus · 27/06/2012 16:03

Thanks everyone.I am overwhelmed by your support.

Came home at lunch time tofind my phone and just broke down. Called a friend who promised to come straight over and then called my manager and sobbed down the phone at him as I told him what happened. He told me to take as long as I need. Thank god.Got to go in to get my laptop but can't face that right now.

Have written H a letter setting our how I feel. He is with me by default and I am the booby prize. I am nor prepared to accept this and he has to make some deliberate effort to draw a line under this by sending her a very clear text or letter setting out the fact that it's all over, the relationship will Not be resumed, and that all his energies and love are being focussed on me and our marriage. I will see this before it's sent. If he can't agree to this we will start planning a divorce and concentrate on making things as painless as possible fr the children. I won't be pushed around any more by other people's wishes and decisions.

That will be the first stage.

Friend has said he can move into a room at their place if he says no, as a first step where he will not get an easy ride and the Arch-Manipulatoress will Not be welcome.

He's worried by the way! He rang me a while ago and I told him I have a letter for him. He has texted twice since then to see if I'm ok. Ha!

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Ormiriathomimus · 27/06/2012 16:04

I think the HT should shift AM. DH is bloody good at his job and the pupils love him.

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ElephantsAndMiasmas · 27/06/2012 16:07

And don't forget that you will have access to all his phone/emails and passwords etc etc.

letter sounds good. Stronger on what you will NOT accept. Less of "i am the booby prize", no point appealing to his sympathy as clearly that part of him plays second fiddle to his cock/superman cloak.

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 27/06/2012 16:08

Oh bloody well done Orm. Reading that post has almost made me cry I feel so fierce for you.

Keep him on his toes, and do what is right for you.

Thumbwitch · 27/06/2012 16:12

Orm - very good thoughts EXCEPT please don't use the word "booby" prize, maybe consolation prize instead. You are anything but a booby my lovely - never think it.

stargazy · 27/06/2012 16:13

Quick post to say you are amazing and well done! You have been given fantastic advice that I couldn't even begin to word.Been thinking of you all day at work and the length of this,and the things he has said re OW and how he's made you feel you are the problem and messing with your head make me so angry for you. Keep your resolve.

AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 16:13

That letter sounds good and am glad that you seem to be finding your (justified) anger

I don't agree that AM should go by default though. Is she not good at her job ? Do the kids not love her ? Although I sympathise with your desire to get her the fuck away from your lives, why is it always the "nasty temptress" who should go ?

your DH was her superior, in a position of responsibility, if anyone should go, he should, IMO. He was the one who took advantage of a vulnerable woman. I know you will hate me saying that, but you need to get real about your husband. Get him off that pedestal you have him on !

AnnaMosity · 27/06/2012 16:17

Why are YOU emailing the ow ? Bloody make him. If he won't. It's over

GoOnTim · 27/06/2012 16:18

Have to say I agree with you there Anyfucker.

Ormiriathomimus · 27/06/2012 16:24

I'm not anna. He will be but I will get to check over what he's written.

He ain't on a pedestal. But from a purely selfish pragmatic PoV I don't want him to have to move because it would affect us as a family too much. I am trying to stop being 'nice'. Besides whatever I wish for isn't exactly going to be no 1 on the HT's list of priorities is it?

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SundaeGirl · 27/06/2012 16:26

Agree the pedestal is inappropriate. If he was that professional then this wouldn't have happened.

Please rethink giving so much away in that letter. Just say you are angry and you'd like him to leave. Do not give him a suggestion of what (if anything) he needs to do to get you back. You absolutely need him to figure that out for himself. Could you just write 'You have screwed up, I am angry, you'll need to leave. We can sort the technical stuff out by email in a couple of days.'?

Very soon you are going to want him to see you as strong, strong, strong. Might as well start that process now. (IMHO)

MrsCampbellBlack · 27/06/2012 16:26

I totally agree with AF - also glad you're taking some time off work - you really need some time and space to process this.

Thinking of you.

SundaeGirl · 27/06/2012 16:28

And as for an email/letter to OW that you get to check.... He'll warn her about it. It will just be another deception. Don't try to control their relationship it will not work. He needs time to reject her and she reject him.

AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 16:31

I presume that schools, like hospitals, are workplaces of entrenched hierarchy and sexism. I work in a hospital. Whenever there is an instance of 2 people of both sex fucking up (through unprofessional behaviour, or a mistake in giving medication or whatever) it is almost invariably the woman that gets the chop

I understand though, Orm, that you are wanting to protect your family, and fair play to you. What a pity he didn't consider that.

CurrySpice · 27/06/2012 16:32

Well done Orm. You are doing great. Good luck when he comes home. Remember you are a strong, wonderful woman - let's hear you ROAR!!

Tambasher you have been through the mill too. You sound very switched on and so much better off without that twunt xx

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