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Am I being paranoid or could he be having an affair?

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MusicForTheMasses · 07/06/2012 21:06

I think my husband may be having an affair. There are a number of reasons but nothing I can pinpoint. He had a promotion a few months ago and has started staying away from home on business trips, even though I am sure the person doing the job prior to him never did.

I can feel the distance between us and am always on edge. Partly I think (hope) it could be stress from his new job, but I don't think so.

I've noticed him texting a lot more these days (though not significantly, he has never really done this). I did something I thought I would never do earlier today and checked his phone, all his messages on there have been deleted both incoming and ougoing! He's a technophobe and theres a bit of me that thinks that deleting all his messages would be the only way he knows how to get rid of any incriminating ones.

I've noticed him having real hugs with the kids, not that he was ever a bad Dad but it's just as though he's making up for something.

I don't feel I can talk to someone IRL about this as to do it would be to admit something was wrong. We've just come back from holiday and should feel closer than ever, but I don't.

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Offred · 27/06/2012 07:33

Yes tell him you have changed your mind. That associating his leaving with an event to do with the children is not a good idea and may make them think the split is about them rather than you.

MadAboutHotChoc · 27/06/2012 07:33

Tell him he has to go - you are allowed to change your mind.

Your mental wellbeing has to come first - the kids need you.

Offred · 27/06/2012 07:36

And tbh I think given the way you feel it is inevitable you make him leave and he is just prolonging the agony by staying.

AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 07:38

like offred said, it's not a good idea to combine a milestone in the kids lives (the end of term) with him leaving

he leaves when you want him to leave

MusicForTheMasses · 27/06/2012 08:35

You are all right. I will tell him later.

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MadAboutHotChoc · 27/06/2012 09:08

Good luck - you are doing the right thing as it is clear that he thinks he is getting away with it.

saffronwblue · 27/06/2012 11:28

Just joining in to say good luck. Start fantasising about a life without him! This will help you with the resolve to tell him to go.

southlundon · 27/06/2012 11:34

Morning Music - you are in a uniquely horrible situation. You have been more than kind in putting him up (and putting up with him) while he's been recuperating but stick to your guns and ask him to leave. The conversations will have to be had at some point with him and also with the DCs (although he should bloody have to tell them that he's leaving because he's been naughty or something) and the longer you leave it the worse it's going to get.

Good luck Flowers

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 27/06/2012 12:01

I am going to make some comments and it is only based on my experience, so take it with a pinch of salt but if it helps then that's great.

Someone very wise told me on my thread 2 years ago some things that were hard to swallow. And they may help you too, as you contemplate ending it for good. You may feel you're standing at a precipice right now and that the decision is on your shoulders to end the marriage alone, as he is too weak to decide himself. My ExH told me he was relieved when I made the decision for him and submitted divorce papers Angry But I spent 5 months beforehand hoping we'd work things out. The guilt I felt at the time was hard, as I longed for a stable father figure for my children, but it was equally important that the children saw their mother being treated with love and respect, both by a partner and by herself. Mumsnet helped me to realise that.

The message we send to our daughters when we sell ourselves short by accepting far far less than we should, can have a profound impact in how they see themselves as women and their expectations from relationships. That was hard to swallow at the time on my thread but so very true.

They also said to me at the time that I was doing my children no favours by perpetuating a situation in which their father figure was unrealiable and dishonest. As he was both. And I hope when they are older I will have shown them that I value myself too highly to be treated poorly. That is a far greater example to set for them.

I felt ill as I submitted the divorce papers, filled with doubt about the future and afraid but I look back now and I am so so thankful that I made that decision, with a lot of handholding from people on mumsnet at the time. And my ExH is still not doing much better two years on and in fact I think he would have been a serial adulterer if we'd continued and not only would I be unhappy still, but my children would have be stuck in an environment which wasn't healthy at all. My house is a place of peace and happiness these days and I sleep so well at night on my own. Not worrying about where he is, if he is being honest etc. But it was hard to begin with, the grief over the loss of my marriage and the stigma I perceived I had being a lone parent.

I come from a family where no one has divorced, and I felt strongly that I should try to make things work. But what I've learned over the past two years and was said on my thread at the time, is that what children really hate is tension, whether their parents are together or not. And I've noticed - as my ex and I have become better at co-parenting well together and being friendly and co-operative, and from observing the relationships of some friends - that my children are now growing up with much less tension than some of their peers, whose parents are together and arguing almost constantly, or who don't talk. My situation is healthier than some and my children are thriving and happy.

It seems like such a huge and scary thing to tell them it really is over and that you want to divorce but try not to make decisions based on fear - they are always our worst choices. When the dust has settled and you have some distance on it, you will see the relationship differently. Everything is clearer in retrospect. For when you give up the fear of losing him, you can calmly evaluate - is this what I want?

I couldn't see the wood for the tree's at the time and it hurt, I was very sad and needed counselling and anti depressants, but I came out the other side and am now dating a lovely man, a pilot no less and he is wonderful. It's still early days but there is a future out there for you too, if you're sure you want to end it and it is brighter.

Keep posting, we're all behind you, whatever you decide.

veryconfusedatthemoment · 27/06/2012 13:20

Dont - what an inspiring post for those of us on this terrible journey. Thank you for posting Grin

MusicForTheMasses · 27/06/2012 13:23

He's gone. I found out he'd told my step daughter (who is a really good friend) that he was leaving at the end of term to be with her and that I knew this (no) but not to mention it to me. He looked me in the eye last night and told me that they werent going to be together. I knew he was lying then.

I told him to go. Just got back from work and he was here and he said sorry and started welling up but I realise the tears aren't for me they are for him, he is such a selfish man.

He had the nerve to ask if I'll let him continue to see his kids and what Ill tell them. Nothing yet, I'll have to say at the weekend I think.

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 27/06/2012 13:30

It's hard when we're angry and hurting to even want to facilitate contact with the children and them. Very very hard indeed but I know when you feel calmer you will do what is best, just like you have below all along. Many many ((hugs)) for you lovely lady x

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 27/06/2012 13:32

One step at a time right now. Be kind to yourself, can a friend come and stay with you or be with you tonight?

southlundon · 27/06/2012 13:35

Lying bastard Music :(

Can't you insist he tells your poor DCs what he's done, along the lines of he's fallen in love with someone else so he is leaving to be with her? He shouldn't be able to wriggle out of this and seeing their faces etc. It's his bloody fault.

Hope you're okay.

AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 13:38

I am so sorry it has worked out like this. The signs were all there, my love. His tears were/are for himself. If you hang on he will use you and continue to disrespect you. Your children will see their mother's self esteem flattened by someone who doesn't give a shit for anyone but himself.

It's a hard, hard lesson to swallow, but you will, or what is the alternative ?

No big surprise he is already re-writing recent history. You are the last to know he was leaving anyway at term-end ? I am so, so glad you have pre-empted that and taken the control back. You will be very, very glad of that in the months and years to come.

Dontstep has given you absolutely sterling advice, from someone who has been there and is now out the other side. Listen to her.

You should tell the kids together, so he can't wriggle off the hook either by letting you do it or telling them all sorts of shit on his own. A terrible moment, but he leaves you no choice Sad

Offred · 27/06/2012 13:39

Music, you are so amazing! What a prize idiot he is being! How kind and fair you have been. Don't make any decisions about the children right away. Take some time, calm down, regroup and have a think about how it is best to go forward. Xxx

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 27/06/2012 13:48

Those books I linked on Sat 16-Jun-12 11:26:56 are great, when you're ready to face buying them lovely. Thinking of you a lot right now.

MusicForTheMasses · 27/06/2012 13:54

Thanks you all and Don'tStep I am listening.

I'm upset but feel relief as well as I feel the decision has now been made. I did my best but he is too selfish. Have had a lovely crying session with my stepdaughter lol. xxx

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MadAboutHotChoc · 27/06/2012 14:03

The twat - this is the thanks you get for taking him in after his operation. Well done for taking control.

Xales · 27/06/2012 14:03

You are so strong music.

You can look in the mirror and hold your head knowing you did the decent thing.

Onwards and upwards.

Doha · 27/06/2012 14:23

you could be evil Music and put the wind up him and say you will tell the DC's that they were "complictions" to his wonderful new life.

In reality you won't -- but he wouldn't know that..

BerylStreep · 27/06/2012 20:55

DontStep what a wonderfully inspiring post. I am so glad things are great for you.

Music what a shit. Sad At least you know you have behaved with kindness and compassion, whereas he just thinks of himself.

My Mum & Dad split up when I was 11, and it was really upsetting. My Dad was/is a vain, self-obsessed, vicious man, who left for another woman. This was in the early 80s, when it was pretty uncommon for people to split (at least in my circle of friends). Despite being quite wealthy, Dad didn't pay any maintenance, and was able to hide his assets because he was self-employed and knew the law inside out. While we were flat broke and counting every penny, he was off climbing in Nepal and buying himself speed-boats.

I am not sure why, but the other day I found myself wondering what it would have been like if Mum and Dad hadn't split up, and I know without doubt that our family life would have been dreadful. Although it was hard at the time, I am so grateful to my Mum that she valued herself and us so highly that she made a life for us on our own. It is only now, as an adult, that I really recognise her courage and determination.

One of the things I would caution is what and how you tell the DC, and how you behave to each other around them. My parents had a really acrimonious break-up, and I don't think we should have been exposed to a lot of it. Only you know what the right way to approach it is, but think carefully about how you do it. 31 years on, I can vividly remember that awful life changing moment when Dad told us out of the blue that he was leaving. Thinking back to it, it was Dad who broke the news, then he left. Mum was there to hug and comfort us, but I have no doubt that she was at the door listening.

MusicForTheMasses · 27/06/2012 21:52

I've lost my cool a bit tonight. One too many apologetic texts from him. The last one said that the pair have them have ruined 6 lives today, so assumiing they are shacked up shagging in a hotel somewhere. Anyway, I texted him (as by his replies I can tell she is with him) and asked if he has told her about telling me he'd got a hard on for me two days ago and that there was a compliment there somewhere.

I then forwarded one of her smuttly emails back to her with the words 'classy, I can see why he;s left me and the 'complications' for you.'

I'll leave it now but I needed that.

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AnyFucker · 27/06/2012 22:00

Yes, leave it now

And turn your phone off.

MusicForTheMasses · 27/06/2012 22:02

Thanks for those word of advice I will say it to myself too Music step away from the phone!

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