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ok give me an MN slap and tell me not to want this guy back

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 15:54

2 years with xp (on and off...more of that later). He is 35 now, I'm 39.

We don't live together, largely because he doesn't work and has expected me to support him completely. Including all food, bills and plane tickets for when he visits family in Europe. He said the alternative was never seeing me at all as he cannot afford anything. Probably partly true cos he only has E450 per month rental income to live off from a property his family gave him. But clearly not entirely true.

he is finishing a pHD, which in the UK means that when your grant runs out you start p/t work to make ends meet- but he decided not to, as when at home he can live off his rental income while living with his mother or father (they live in different cities...) but he cant' do that with me in London as it's too expensive. I have asked for a small regular contribution frequently but somehow this is impossible because he won't be able to 'keep the money he needs to have a decent life'.

So far so uncommitted eh? Yet when I tell him he is clearly uncommitted, he yells blue murder at me. I have various mental illnesses and problems and he paints himself as a saint for putting up with me and my 'situation' (stuck in London for at least next 10 years with my young sons and wouldn't dream of anything else thankyou v much).

I have told him that clearly he lacks commitment to me as if he wanted to be with me that much he could move here at least temporarily and we could make plans to move out of the UK later when my children are older, if he wants it so much. Clearly I am not a free agent and he is. But it's a no. He hates UK blah blah.

So why the heck doesn't he leave ME? God knows. I suppose he wants the LDR and sex/attention at times but doesn't want to bother actually having to be with me. He says he is 'different to other people' which is why our relationship doesn't have to be 'normal'.

That bit I can get, as you cant' always have a 'normal' relationship even if you want one. However, when he is here, he is a demanding nightmare. He came back the other night from being with his friend all day (at 10pm) and wanted to 'spend some time together' by watching a film or something which was fine with me, but he was faffing about so I picked my book up which I had been telling him was really good and I was v into it (I'm academic, it was a book for work and I was enthused by it). Cue a massive teenage sulk about how I had 'made an appointment with him' (wtff????) and now i was 'letting him down' etc etc. This culminated in me losing it and crying saying I didn't feel I had a lot left and he wanted the last bit. He threw a lot of insults at me as I was lying in bed crying and I couldn't take it any more, I was begging/yelling him to leave the room and he just wouldn't. So I lost it totally and flew at him hitting him to get him out of the room :(((((

I feel shit about it and I know physical violence is appalling whether committed by a man or woman. But I feel I was being emotionally abused by him standing over me shouting and refusing to leave the room. I had already become hysterical and he was calling me 'mad' and telling me I had 'forced him to come here' ????? 'by paying for his ticket' ????? (god...written down it is so fucking ludicrous).

Anyway then I got a long letter detailing my physical abuse of him and how he will 'bear the wounds' of this relationship forever (he had a bit of a bruise on his neck). The next day I asked again if he really thought I was an 'abuser' and he had no part in any of this and got another tirade. I went quiet and said I didn't think I could take this any more. He left and I don't know where he went.

The last time we split up he had another temporary girlfriend within 2 days, btw, he is extremely handsome and attractive. So he may well have shacked up with someone else :( I cant' get that out of my mind what is wrong with me???

I can't get over the fear of being alone. At my age and with a mental illness, maybe he is the best I will get....
I know what you're all going to say. But how do i get on with my life alone? How do I have hope of ever meeting a decent man at my age? (And yes I know xp is not a decent man....)

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abitcoldupnorth · 07/06/2012 11:24

where are you roughly in LOndon? sorry if I missed it further up thread.

I'm thinking to meet interesting folk, is there an equivalent of RGS lectures somewhere nearby but perhaps with less public-school/city bods?

domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 11:26

hi abitcold, I'm not really sure, haven't looked into it yet. During termtime I am so crazy with work, I don't get a chance to actually LIVE in London except to do school pickup etc :) I shall have a look, anything that looks interesting let me know too

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domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 11:26

I am in SE btw

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abitcoldupnorth · 07/06/2012 11:33

I know what you mean about not having time to 'live' in London - I spent most of my time working or stuck in traffic. And now I'm so out of touch, what with being Up North, so not sure I can help much ...

I'm sure others nearer will have bright ideas when if you have some time.

Wrongbow · 07/06/2012 11:34

I always think meetup.com looks good and I intend to use it if I ever end up single in London :)

AnyFucker · 07/06/2012 15:48

er, love, lost destroyed passports can be replaced

at cost, of course, his cost Grin

EldritchCleavage · 07/06/2012 15:55

OK, the lashing out thing: the only person I have EVER done that with was a manipulative abuser. I take full responsibility for hitting him, and I did apologise for it, but I realise now that he did wind me up hoping I'd snap, because it would be something to hold over me. It was something he did with other girlfriends. So while you were right to apologise and you should think about how to avoid losing control like that again (i have), there is no need to feel too sorry for him. He was standing over you shouting while you cried. He was being viciously unkind.

You probably do need to get out more. Why not meet your Exeter friend halfway? Train it, have lunch, go home. It will be worth it. Why not come out of your office and invite a colleague or two for coffee (two or more is less intense than one? Better yet, take cake into work. Everyone will be your friend if there is cake. I'm being flippant but I think you have been locked into this drama and a little distraction will go a long way.

domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 16:17

Eldritch thankyou for that. I felt so shit for doing it.

I read his abusive letter again this morning just to remind me of exactly why it was that I wanted to throw him out all the time... and it hilariously tells me that I only stopped being abusive 'for short periods' when 'he was of pragmatic use to me' (when the f* was that given that he didn't even pay for his own fucking food or do his own shopping??? or wash up until prompted, and then with a massive sulk? maybe once he was 'helpful' when I moved house after having an operation....and couldn't lift anything... and even then my poor old 70 year old dad did more then!).

I had a ticket booked to go see him in July and I'm changing it ad going to organise a short break for myself. Maybe something active/cultural. If anyone knows of any nice places for (pseudo-)intellectual single nutters I'll be glad to hear of them :D

AF- god, if I did that I'd have him on the doorstep yelling about me having trapped him in the UK forever :D cos of course he cannot afford ANYTHING. Tbh I suspect his new ladyfriend is paying for him now after he spun her a massive sob story. Bah. He's not texting anyway, which means he has nothing other than that he has got himself another source of attention/accommodation/food.

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domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 16:21

btw Exeter friend wants to set aside whole weekend for me in JUly!

He got back in touch when I said on FB I was single (yeah I know that was very attention- seeking... and he's the only person who responded... I was feeling sorry for myself). He declared same thing himself and invited me to Exeter to 'do single stuff together'. I responded v quickly saying I would really like to and now I feel embarrassed as if I've thrown myself at him and am now worried about taking up his time!!

bah ladies I think I need a few more slaps....

tbh one really good development, I no longer obsess physically about ex like I did even yesterday. It was like he had this weird sexual hold over me that just has to be broken by abstaining from the source!!!

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HerHissyness · 07/06/2012 16:21

Remember when 'it' comes slithering back, you don't want it, you don't know where it's been.

domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 16:22

I have an idea where it's been, Hissy :S this is not the first time he's picked up single women on planes and then ended up in bed with them within days. Ugh.

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EldritchCleavage · 07/06/2012 17:06

I only stopped being abusive 'for short periods' when 'he was of pragmatic use to me

Ooh, projection, much? And whoa, take it easy with Exeter friend. No need to risk a potential new relationship drama so quickly...

I once read a Conde Nast Traveller article about how nice Maastricht was (don't laugh). Somewhere Dutch/Scandinavian good for a woman travelling alone? Nice to have options without a cocklodger weighing you down, eh?

AnyFucker · 07/06/2012 17:15

Copenhagen is fab

domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 17:33

I was thinking maybe Mallorca cos the north side of it is so beautiful and I can't imagine feeling lonely there

the 'pragmatic use' thing is so funny isnt' it Eldritch. From a man who had his food and bills paid for for a good part of 2 years until I sent him packing home...then refused to see me unless I paid for it. hilarious :(

Yeah I am backing off re Exeter boy I have probably scared the pants off him :(

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domesticgodless · 07/06/2012 17:34

I am going down with some foul fever thing too bah. Did at least manage to get some desultory work done which I put down directly to absence of wankface.

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AnyFucker · 07/06/2012 19:08

aww, viruses are sucky

I love Majorca, I would totally go on my own, also parts of Ibiza are simply beautiful if you want sun and beaches

Kaluki · 07/06/2012 22:00

Take care of yourself DG and please don't feel guilty.
I lashed out at my ex once and he was delighted to use it against me.

What he conveniently forgot is that he had me up against the wall by my throat at the time and the only way to get him off me was to knee him in the nuts and in the scuffle that followed my ring caught him on the face and scratched him.
Even in court, when I saw him in the dock as I was about to give evidence I felt a pang of pity for him and the old guilt came back for just a second. Then I had to have a stern word with myself and snap out of it!
You'll be fine - be kind to yourself and do look into getting some counselling.

TheHappyHissy · 07/06/2012 22:05

OOh, I'm off to Mallorca at the end of this month... if you happen to be there OP.... PM me! :D

Kaluki · 07/06/2012 22:14

Just seen this
on another thread ...
I wish I'd seen it all those years ago

domesticgodless · 08/06/2012 10:04

Wow kaluki that's interesting. Some of it really fits
Xp particularly the love bombing and intensity things. And the constant blaming of others. Oh and of course the sex thing :S He does not exactly have a predatory stare although it did freak me out how much he wanted to stare into my eyes (and complained that I did not 'look at him enough' wtf??) It was like he wanted to take me over from the inside. Shudder.

He does however have feelings for some people e g himself (!) but also his immediate family. However with his mother although he is v protective etc he is also extremely verbally abusive. It's horrible to see (although she is also a total narcissist I think- abandoned him at age 5 to go live with a lover 400 miles away :( you can see why at times I felt sorry for him).
I think NPd fits him better tbh- the combined idealisation/ denigration (you are a piece of shit but I love you as long as you try to obey and serve me better) is very apt.

I've heard nothing from him for the last 2 days since I rebuffed his texts which can mean only that he has shacked up with some other poor cow. I've still got his bag here and still can't quite bring myself to do anything vengeful with it. His plane out is on Tuesday so I'll just put it outside in my road grit container for him :D

I am still ill so just feel weak and empty and ashamed to say it, tormented by the idea of him with someone else :( I still fancy the bastard so much. Sigh.:((((( I must be extremely shallow.

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domesticgodless · 08/06/2012 10:12

Oh and I have just remembered what happened before I flew at him- he was yelling at me (of course) about my lack of respect and attention etc and he yanked the duvet off me so violently the contents of a nearby shelf fell on the floor. I told him to get out of my room at that point and he refused (he always does that). Then after another 10-15 minutes of yelling plus me screaming at him to get out and crying, I lost it :( and now I am a physical abuser :((((( I feel so fucking angry at the injustice of it all and want to tell him what a narcissistic c* he really is (not that he would listen to a word) but I know that is just another way to keep myself enmeshed with him and I need to go no contact.:(((((

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Kaluki · 08/06/2012 10:14

No you're not shallow. You had genuine feelings for him, however bad he was for you. You can't just switch them off.
It is like giving up smoking or drugs - one day at a time. If you start to miss him then get busy doing something to take your mind off him.
And stay on here - there will always be someone to hold your hand when you are feeling down.

AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 10:30

DG, have you noticed on other threads that as soon as a woman mentions that she has hit or otherwise physically attacked a male partner there is often a chorus of "well you are as bad as him" and "see ? Men get abused too!"

I don't see any of those bandwagon-jumpers on here, do you ?

hitting sombody else is never justified, but sometimes it can be understood

I understand (in your case)

you need to stop guilting yourself about it, forgive yourself and add it to the mahoosive pile of reasons why this man is toxic to you

AnyFucker · 08/06/2012 10:31

oh, and that you should never ever get back with him. I would be very much less supportive of someone who went back into a relationship where there was ongoing physical violence, despite provocation... that does need saying

Kaluki · 08/06/2012 11:13

I agree AF.
OP I understand completely too. It is wrong to hit anyone but sometimes emotional and mental abuse is far worse than physical.
There are men (and women) who push their partners to violence in order to make themselves the victim and therefore gain control over them. They are scum and are no better (maybe worse) than the violent bullies who use their partners as punchbags just because they can.
Every case is different I guess.