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ok give me an MN slap and tell me not to want this guy back

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 15:54

2 years with xp (on and off...more of that later). He is 35 now, I'm 39.

We don't live together, largely because he doesn't work and has expected me to support him completely. Including all food, bills and plane tickets for when he visits family in Europe. He said the alternative was never seeing me at all as he cannot afford anything. Probably partly true cos he only has E450 per month rental income to live off from a property his family gave him. But clearly not entirely true.

he is finishing a pHD, which in the UK means that when your grant runs out you start p/t work to make ends meet- but he decided not to, as when at home he can live off his rental income while living with his mother or father (they live in different cities...) but he cant' do that with me in London as it's too expensive. I have asked for a small regular contribution frequently but somehow this is impossible because he won't be able to 'keep the money he needs to have a decent life'.

So far so uncommitted eh? Yet when I tell him he is clearly uncommitted, he yells blue murder at me. I have various mental illnesses and problems and he paints himself as a saint for putting up with me and my 'situation' (stuck in London for at least next 10 years with my young sons and wouldn't dream of anything else thankyou v much).

I have told him that clearly he lacks commitment to me as if he wanted to be with me that much he could move here at least temporarily and we could make plans to move out of the UK later when my children are older, if he wants it so much. Clearly I am not a free agent and he is. But it's a no. He hates UK blah blah.

So why the heck doesn't he leave ME? God knows. I suppose he wants the LDR and sex/attention at times but doesn't want to bother actually having to be with me. He says he is 'different to other people' which is why our relationship doesn't have to be 'normal'.

That bit I can get, as you cant' always have a 'normal' relationship even if you want one. However, when he is here, he is a demanding nightmare. He came back the other night from being with his friend all day (at 10pm) and wanted to 'spend some time together' by watching a film or something which was fine with me, but he was faffing about so I picked my book up which I had been telling him was really good and I was v into it (I'm academic, it was a book for work and I was enthused by it). Cue a massive teenage sulk about how I had 'made an appointment with him' (wtff????) and now i was 'letting him down' etc etc. This culminated in me losing it and crying saying I didn't feel I had a lot left and he wanted the last bit. He threw a lot of insults at me as I was lying in bed crying and I couldn't take it any more, I was begging/yelling him to leave the room and he just wouldn't. So I lost it totally and flew at him hitting him to get him out of the room :(((((

I feel shit about it and I know physical violence is appalling whether committed by a man or woman. But I feel I was being emotionally abused by him standing over me shouting and refusing to leave the room. I had already become hysterical and he was calling me 'mad' and telling me I had 'forced him to come here' ????? 'by paying for his ticket' ????? (god...written down it is so fucking ludicrous).

Anyway then I got a long letter detailing my physical abuse of him and how he will 'bear the wounds' of this relationship forever (he had a bit of a bruise on his neck). The next day I asked again if he really thought I was an 'abuser' and he had no part in any of this and got another tirade. I went quiet and said I didn't think I could take this any more. He left and I don't know where he went.

The last time we split up he had another temporary girlfriend within 2 days, btw, he is extremely handsome and attractive. So he may well have shacked up with someone else :( I cant' get that out of my mind what is wrong with me???

I can't get over the fear of being alone. At my age and with a mental illness, maybe he is the best I will get....
I know what you're all going to say. But how do i get on with my life alone? How do I have hope of ever meeting a decent man at my age? (And yes I know xp is not a decent man....)

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 16:44

LOL. My kids are a lot less demanding actually. The 5 year old has his moments but at least he's not verbally abusive....often

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME AND WHY DO I STILL WANT HIM?

AAAAAARGH

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InfiniteFairylights · 06/06/2012 16:47

Send him one back saying "I want you to say "goodbye", and not come back". Grin

InfiniteFairylights · 06/06/2012 16:49

Oh and (as usual!) I agree with AF, find yourself a new shag-piece, this one's broken.

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 16:50

to be fair to me I never saw him as a shag-piece. I loved him and felt sorry for him as he had a fucked up childhood. And the good times were vg etc etc but the good times were only good when I fitted in with him exactly.

Yeah I know it is the old script. :(

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 16:50

I just texted back 'no need to be confused I don't want you to do or say anything'

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 16:51

god knows if I had just wanted a shag I could have found one with far less accompanying baggage ://///

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InfiniteFairylights · 06/06/2012 16:55

Good for you, now you just need to stick to it. You are going to have to be strong and ignore all his weaseling. We will be here to hold your hand and keep you strong x

Kaluki · 06/06/2012 16:56

However good looking he is, he is ugly inside!
Nasty poisonous little man.
Angry

InfiniteFairylights · 06/06/2012 16:59

Agreed Kaluki!

AnyFucker · 06/06/2012 17:02

yes, ugly inside

when he is old and losing his looks, that will be all that is left of him

find a nicer man, one with a conscience that isn't a user

Pollykitten · 06/06/2012 17:03

excellent return text to the slug! [applause]

SobaSoma · 06/06/2012 17:05

Don't let this go on any longer OP - he's just using you. And try not to be scared of being single - you're only 39 FGS. He sounds utterly horrid and you are just in his thrall because of the so-called "chemistry". At your age I was scared of being alone too and hung on to all the wrong men but now at age 54 I am very content indeed to be all on my lonesome. I wouldn't turn the right man down if he turned up but being single is pretty damn good in my book.

As for his "fucked-up childhood", join the club. It doesn't give him an excuse to treat you like doggy do.

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:07

good I'm glad you thought that was a good return text. Best to avoid any effing and blinding with him as that just sends everything nuclear and I get worse back.

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:08

Soba I guess my confidence fell apart with my divorce and for some reason I can't manage alone any more. Bah. But you're right I have to try or I'll never recover.

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:11

his bag is still here though, and his return flight is not til 12th, I guess I will have to see him again :(

There is still this fantasy of him seeing all he has done wrong, changing, but it's pissing in the wind I know.

I have v low self esteem esp after the divorce which was my fault (appalling behaviour on bipolar high :() so I am v prone to being 'forgiven' etc I think. But not atm....

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AnyFucker · 06/06/2012 17:11

you are managing alone now

you are obviously micro-managaing this pathetic man-child and looking after your other dc

imagine if you put the effort into yourself that you put into hanging onto this twerp, you could rule the world !

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:17

yeah AF, I have a fucking book to write and it aint' getting written.

But you know, it's not just him. Obviously something in me needs the drama :( and I really need to work on that.

you lot are fab and you have really strengthened my resolve.

Oh now he 'wants to go for a drink and would like to know if there is anything he can do for me' LMAO

I know already what the MN answer is: yeah there is something you can do for me, stick your drink up your tight arse :D

I won't be quite so offensive as no point with this one....

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coppertop · 06/06/2012 17:18

Next will come the "Woe is me" texts, full of "I've only ever wanted what's best for you" rubbish.

The slug isn't going to give up on a £2k proof-reading service without a fight.

My guess is that there'll be a tearful "Give the children a hug from me. Are they missing me as much as I'm missing them?" winging it's way to you soon.

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:24

oh yes coppertop I've had all those before :D :D

He's never bothered that much about the kids tbh. Always v nice when with them, not much concern otherwise. And anyway I have deliberately kept them apart recently as didn't want the lovely dcs witnessing their mum in ugly rows.

Yeah the tone usually flips around all over the place. I will get the suicidal ones next week probably. Then he'll go quiet cos he is shagging someone else for a bit. Then when he gets bored with them these oddly chatty ones start up again.

I see it all too clearly.

I have to say one thing: he genuinely is a sad fucked up person and I do feel sorry for him though I realise I MUST feel sorry at a distance, as he is too toxic. I have seen him in really terrible states, sobbing and desperate. He just seems to have no core, no security in himself, and he covers that with arrogance that cracks all the time. He is a man-child as AF so rightly says but the 'child' bit is the result of a massive fuckup somewhere in his life.

I also think that being so handsome has made him a narcissist: he's fallen in and out of women's lives for so long and been adored and sought after that I think he is used to getting his shallower needs met automatically.

However that is no reason for me to end up cleaning up the fucking mess, and I see that now.

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Wrongbow · 06/06/2012 17:28

That drink will be on you of course...

The longer you go without seeing him, the stronger that resolve will stay. Can you leave his bag somewhere, tell him to come and get it, and be out when he does?

Pollykitten · 06/06/2012 17:30

You could put his bag in the lockers at your local train station, if it's a big enough one (the station, not the bag)...

OOooooo though, you can tell he's already worried about losing his grip from his reply - that's the price he's already paying for dealing in power games. I so agree with the other posters - if you put the same amount of effort into you...

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:30

good idea but not sure where to leave it. there is no neutral ground. i guess I could just take it to the pub and walk out?

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domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:32

power games... yeah I see that that was what it was :(

It will go on for a bit, until he finds the next victim. Which won't take him long anyway. If he really likes her it will stop for good then, if not he will probably start bothering me again.

I feel such an idiot, really.

I think prt of the difficulty getting rid of an awful relationship like this is, that the longer it goes on it just starts to seem normal. Chaos seems normal (and I am of course an emotionally abused child so it seems normal and like home anyway). And then when it ends you have to acknowledge the weird stupid netherworld you have been living in.

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Pollykitten · 06/06/2012 17:38

Hopefully though this scenario won't be a new reason to give yourself a hard time. If you've been nice to him in the past even if he doesn't deserve it, then credit to you for giving him enough chances - I really hope you can enjoy the emotional freedom

domesticgodless · 06/06/2012 17:40

yeah god knows I tried although to him I am an 'abuser' Hmm

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