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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships Number *9*

999 replies

foolonthehill · 06/06/2012 15:53

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

If you find that he really wants to change
I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
Amitolamummy · 09/06/2012 14:27

It will take too long to explain, will try but tbh i don't think it will help. I want out now, really really had enough.
My ex was emotionally abusive from the start and I tried to leave but couldn't due to not earning enough to pivate rent withou a guarantor. He played a very good game so his family, ex wife and children all think i'm the problem.
His dad was also very emotionally abusive to me, physically too at times, but never did it in front of anyone so nobody believes me.
I'm stuck living in a house belonging to his parents as i don't have a guarantor.
I was sexually, physically and emotionally abused by my parents and others and my mother and sister are still trying to control me. In fact they have got much worse now i'm single as they know there isn't anyone to help me. I've involved the police but it hasn't stopped them. Thursday my mother turned up and was a complete bitch as usual. I made her leave but she got to my 4 yr old first with her comments about how nasty I am etc. She admitted she reported me to social services recently out of spite, because I told the police my sister was saying she is psychic. She does say that and her messages, that she phoned to tell me every day were that I will lose my children unless i do everything she says. I told the police I needed her to leave me alone because I couldn't take anymore. That didn't work either!
Had to speak to the ex MIL today about the house and she says i'm lying about everything, her son is perfect and i just took it to court to control him
I tried again to tell her the facts but she didn't believe me. His children, who were my step children for 6 yrs and i did everything for now hate me.
The ex is seeing them more and telling everyone i stopped him seeing them. i actually tried really hard to make him be a decent father to them.
I was on another thread on here but one of the main posters turned on me and then completely blanked me, which is also a form of abuse. That was about the childhood abuse and the fact that they all just shut me out is really hurtful. I've been through terrible abuse, the police hushed it up and burnt my statements straight away which they're not meant to do and i've had 3 different people who specialise in abuse tell me it sounds like they are covering it up. That was the only place i could talk about things and now i have nothing.
My 4yr old is so miserable its horrible seeing him like that and i don't know what to do.
I don't have anyone in real life and it's getting too hard now. My 9 month old doesn't sleep much, my 4 yr old wakes during the night, is awake early and is so lively during the day i can't cope with him.
I can't cope with everyone blaming me, I haven't done anything to deserve all of this.
I can't seek help because it will just end up with social services becoming involved. My ex used them against me before, saying I was mental etc, so they will just take the children anyway.
I keep snapping at my son and then feel so guilty. I hate myself for ruining their lives, they deserve more than this.

Amitolamummy · 09/06/2012 14:33

Oh and i've got a non molesation order against him, but he ignores it and is involving himself in things to do with the house that should be his parents.
I told his mum it was breaking the order but she didn't care.
He twists my words and lies about things i've said. I had to phone him because the home insurance is still in his name and the tumble dryer is broken. Next thing i know his dad is going to buy a new tumble dryer?! huh?! apparently this is what i asked for. I actually asked what they want me to do with the old one. The arsehole twisted it all round then hung up on me for being rude to him.

I've been in tears all day, this is why i got the order and its not worked at all!

TheHappyHissy · 09/06/2012 14:40

You need to call WA and refuge and get into a hostel. the rest can be sorted out over time.

Once you are out, bin the SIM card and get yourself a new one. don't contact anyone to tell them where you are unless its your solicitor, and remind them they are sworn to protect your client confidentiality.

SS might be the way to go. They won't take your DC away from you if you are protecting them. You can cope, you are just overwhelmed.

If you get away from these people your life will be easier. Have you been to the doctors for help?

You are not ruining their lives, unless you stay in contact with these people. Please help them, please don't leave them with these monsters, you know they will do to your DC what they did to you. Worse perhaps.

Amitolamummy · 09/06/2012 14:54

But i'm beginning to think it must be me and not them. If it isn't me then surely i would have people in my life helping me or at least giving a crap.
I really don't want to go into a hostel because i've got two dogs. I looked at rehoming them and was told its cruel at their ages, which it is. My ex was going to have them but doesn't seem to care about them or want them now. I've been saving some money to private rent but without a guarantor its impossible.
I do have some friends round here, just not that close and my sons are settled at nursery so i don't want to completely move away. I don't know what to do. I've never been on my own for long, usually as soon as i'm single some abusive arsehole comes along and i've struggled to get shot of them
I don't want to leave my sons with them but i'm probably doing them more damage bu sitting here crying all day :(

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 15:10

Everyone thinks at some time 'it is me, not them'. It is clear from your post that it is them, although they have made you a shadow of you (she is still in there, though).

People are very understanding, even acquaintances can be approached for help, many have said this on here, and your not-so-close friends would be well worth approaching. What's to lose, really. They may become much closer through you asking for help, I am sure they would rather you did this than suffer alone.

Hissy is right, though. Could friends take dogs?

bertiebassett · 09/06/2012 18:18

Hi everyone...hope you are all have a lovely weekend so far?! Smile

I'm in the "is he or isn't he" stage at the moment with my DH (together 15 years) ...might be EA...might be something else...BPD maybe?....I'm so confused I don't know whats going on...

Anyway I'm just noting his behaviour here so I can vent and also ask your opinion (if you have any?)

Last weekend was truly awful...he didn't speak to me for 6 days. Grunted in response. DS (4) clingy with me and asking why daddy wasn't talking.

Then we had 2 days of ok-ish communication. Still offish...

Today he's my best friend, really happy, wont stop talking, being very reasonable and wants to do everything he can for me....

Confused
ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 20:10

bertie - this is what makes it hard to believe yourself, hard to believe they really are that bad. You start to doubt yourself when things are like this, I must be imagining how awful it can be, it's all fine and I'm sure it'll continue to stay fine... But once you realise that, being aware of it and starting to see it from the outside instead of being stuck inside and confused as to what's happening, that's the start of you regaining yourself. Just try and stay aware.

Amitola am so sad for you, that you feel that way, you must be at rock bottom. I second the advice for Women's Aid - if you can't get through on the phone, can you send your local branch an email, outlining what you said above and with your phone number. I did that, I wasn't in a crisis situation though and it does sound like you could do with speaking to someone tonight.

Amitola's situation does kinda put mine in perspective, although I've been in pieces too today but it's nowhere near as desperate. Just desperately sad. Sad I bumped into FWH (as he now is) at the local corner shop (my parents' house, where I am for now, is only a few minutes away from where we live. Lived.). All a bit awkward, but we had some strained chit-chat going round. I half wondered if my being there was preventing him from getting some booze (since he'd told me he was stopping drinking for the foreseeable), as all he bought was a bottle of Irn Bru. Anyway, outside the shop, right outside the door and in front of all the kids hanging about outside, he said 'I might as well tell you, I've decided we definitely need to sell the house.' Apparently, he's discussed it with other people, including his counsellor and his daughters, and they all think it's the way forward. He hasn't had a proper discussion with me, however, the other person on the mortgage. And apparently it's my fault, he can't be expected to hang around and wait for me to make my decision, and I'm not even trying to make any effort anyway. I tried to say stuff about how he wasn't thinking about my needs at all, he wasn't doing anything for me, he just looked a bit puzzled and said but it's got nothing to do with you. Eeeeexactly. He's now texted me to say how sorry he is that things have reached this point, he wants us to be together but he's under pressure from all angles (not sure where from exactly), and if I'm determined to stay apart then he has no choice. (Yes, because it's all about him, and I'm just being so fickle.)

I feel heartbroken all over again. He's got back the control. He's in the driving seat again, despite all his promises, that I believed. I don't know what to think tonight. Well, I do. I'm thinking about a large glass of vino when DS1 is in bed. Sooooon, I hope. WineWineWine

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 21:01

Ponygirl have you looked at from another angle?
What do YOU want to do. Would calling his bluff and selling the house get FW off your back and money in your pocket?
Just because the FW is saying it, doesn't mean it won't work for you, too.
However, that you should get some good financial advice before agreeing to anything goes without saying.

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 21:03

Anyone around again to stop me phoning FW? - Is this going to be a nightly cry :( Blush

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 21:23

Don't do it AF!!!

ponygirl as long as you jointly own the house, he cannot be in the driving seat.

Where are you as regards settlement?

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 21:25

Thanks Pink Grin

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 21:27

bertie stop thinking about what it might or might not be and listen to your your DS telling you what it is

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 21:31

I am here, arthritic. Don't do it!!! You'll probably find it a totally unsatisfactory experience (he'll be a shit), and you'll beat yourself up afterwards. You don't want to do that. Have a Brew instead. And a biccie.

FWH and I are supposed to be having a trial separation, I only left about three weeks ago so I feel that thinking about selling the house is just another pressure and hassle we don't need right now, it seems a bit soon if we're trying to work on things - if we were to get to a point of reconciliation, we'd have nowhere to live together because there are 4 kids between us so we need a big house. Which we currently have. He's deliberately ignoring the fact that I've almost begged him to stop talking about it for now - and I feel if he's going to ignore me and put my needs aside (again), how can that bode well for us having any hope together? It's a control thing, and I think partially revenge for me leaving. I kind of feel if he wants to sell, that's it for us. But he is saying that if I say that, I am the bad one (despite all the assaults, the verbal abuse, etc, I am the bad one). Hmm
It's funny, my counsellor on Friday talked about getting to the root of what I want to do. Being controlled and putting my needs last seems to be a pattern in my life (my parents are being fantastic but there is definite pressure to do what they want me to do, ie leave him altogether, and a strong whiff of disappointment in me if I don't). Being between two controlling camps who both want me to behave their way, it's pretty impossible to extracate myself from it to work out what I want. Maybe after my next session!

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 21:37

Got to go and pick up DD2, but will be back in an hour.
What you say, Ponygirl would make me even more tempted to call FW's bluff. Remember Lemon and her bunk beds ...

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 21:37

And if you don't get to the point of reconciliation, would you be able to stay in the house? The courts often decide parent with care should stay in marital home till youngest is 18.

Not meaning to jump any guns, just following up one possible outcome...

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 21:40

It is jointly owned. Although I put down a much larger deposit, but I've been told I can get that back as I've got proof that it came from me only.

I have no reason to not want to sell (other than the horrendous penalties for exiting the mortgage) if the relationship is not going forward. But if it is, I don't think we should be selling. My head's dealing with enough. Ideally, he'd move out and get settled somewhere and rent and let us move back in, but he refuses to do that either.

I could be difficult about it - DS1's dad was very difficult when we sold our house that I was living in with DS1 (he was already living in our other house, that we had bought together to save his job after his DUI, a long story but illustrates my MUG tattoo quite nicely). Took ages to get him to agree to sign the estate agent papers. Then each time the EA recommended a price drop, he'd refuse for aaaaages, losing time and potential buyers. Then when we got an offer, he refused that for ages too. He was a complete arse about it, and I don't think I could do that in conscience. Which makes me a better person I know, but not much consolation. Wish I could be a complete bitch sometimes. Shock

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 21:57

Balls, just lost my message trying to search for Lemon's bunk beds... Grin what happened with that? Am intrigued now...

My solicitor previously told me that once I left, I could possibly get an exclusion order to get him out and me back in. But I think I've left it too long, and what with attempts at it just being a trial separation and all...

Unfortunately, the mortgage company wouldn't let me take over the mortgage, am self-employed and earn a teeny-tiny amount. But did you mean something else Pink, that maybe we could still both be on the mortgage but it just be me paying it? I could afford it, any rent would be higher than we're currently paying. But FWH would need his deposit out to get anywhere else, and I couldn't afford to give him £20k. Not without going back down the docks... Grin

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 22:29

Not sure how it would work, tbh. I googled a lot of stuff about divorce settlements over the past 10 months, but my situation is v different from yours - kids grown for one thing. A solicitor would know.

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 22:47

I've already spoken with a solicitor (and a good one at that, she's kinda a distant family friend and v fierce! The kind you're glad is on your side...). But I don't want to go down the full legal route until I know for sure that there's no hope left. I'm reaching that point, but not there yet. (Although I'm half wondering why I'm clinging so tightly to the wreckage, what will it take for me to completely disengage, ffs!)

Talking solicitors all seems so... final. I don't know if my heart is ready, although my head just about it.

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 22:52

Take your time, ignore me, can you guess what I'm supposed to be doing atm? Yes, working on stuff for sol and court and settlement battle Sad

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 22:58

Noooo, Pink, I certainly don't want to ignore you. I just meant that it's a bit scary thinking about solicitors, it'd mean we weren't just apart but trying any more, we'd be properly split and heading for divorce. We haven't even reached our first anniversary yet. Sad (Can't help but wonder what the hell is wrong with me, that I can't even last a year of being married, but I know it's him, not me, but doens't really help me feel any better.) But I've such an awful feeling that solicitors and settlements battles, with him being really nasty, is where it's headed. Am pretending there's still a chance, don't want any of that. [glumglumglum]

arthriticfingers · 09/06/2012 22:58

Hi Pink and Pony back from picking up young thing.
Pony I set everything - separation etc. - in motion acting on my head. I didn't believe in what I was doing, and I certainly didn't want any of it.
But ... FW did nothing - and I mean nothing - he just went along with it. Speaks a million words, that nothing :(

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 23:09

Hi AF, how did the pick-up go? How are you feeling about calling FW now? have another Brew.

When I left, it was all head, not heart. My heart was crying out for me to stop, change my mind, go back. My head isn't too reliable on that count, so I had to involve other people to kidnap me away!

My FWH is not going along with it, exactly. He talks a lot of talk about how he's going to change, how he loves me, etc, he's getting counselling. But all the things he's doing are for himself. But as hard as that is, I can see, having thought about it just now, how absolutely soul-destroying it must be for your FW to do nothing, after such a long relationship. Even though it tells you that you're right in doing it, because he obviously doesn't care, it's a horrible way to realise it. How awful for you. [pats you on back and makes another Brew]

ponygirlcurtis · 09/06/2012 23:10

I'm done in folks, parents champing at bit to go to bed so i'm being hounded upstairs. Was going to go to bed and read Lundy Bancroft's Should i Stay or Should I go (under the covers, due to DS2 in cot, using DS1's Lego light!) - it arrived yesterday, all seems a bit academic now.

Night all, thanks for the chat and the support, I needed that tonight. Hope tomorrow is a better day - DS2 is at FWH's so will have to see him. [girds loins and everything else in between]

ThePinkPussycat · 09/06/2012 23:50

Ha! You can't get divorced till you've been married a year, anyway.

Possibly not the most helpful thing I've ever posted...

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