Being drink does not mean you deserve it.

[OhNoMyFanjo]

I have been reading some comments on tge DM site re an interview with a women who was raped. Her rapist has just been convicted. She has had many terrible things said about her in her community due to the rapist being a pillar of tge community.

I wanted to share this comment that someone has made as it sums up what should be obvious to everyone but unfortunately there are some people who don't get it.

You don't get raped because you are drunk - you vomit because you are drunk. You get raped because the rapist standing next to you made the decision to rape you and acted on it. The rapist is the only one accountable for going on to rape a person. End.

*what!

That is hardly a study into risk factors of rape either since they haven't explored at all the role alcohol plays in rape or the role the rapist plays. It is an opinion piece and not very scientific. You like it because it agrees with you without actually exploring the issue.

Well Larry you go ahead and teach your daughters not to get drunk so as to avoid being "a certain type of raped".

Then, if god forbid, they are ever assaulted you can put your arm around them, tell them how terrible it is, then ask them how much they've had to drink. Because really, that changes everything doesn't it.

It's not their fault it's just that if they weren't drunk it wouldn't have happened. And that's different isn't it?

Larry, don't go around baiting rape victims then - that is truly vile behaviour.

Yes Larry, if your daughter, or wife, or sister, or friend, god forbid, ever has a bit too much drink and are raped - then you can wave your lovely 'study' in front of them and tell them that their intoxication caused their rape. Won't that make you all feel better.

They haven't actually demonstrated scientifically in that study that drunkenness is a causal factor in any kind of rape just put forward that there is a correlation between rape of college women and alcohol consumption of the victim. They haven't looked at alcohol consumption of the rapist or in what circs the rape/drinking occurred or the understanding of the rapists about rape or anything at all relevant in determining whether alcohol is a causal factor in rape and therefore something which should be avoided and reduced in rape prevention programs. They even say rape prevention programs don't tackle it. They are saying "we know better than all of you" then they do a paper which doesn't test any of their theories and conclude they are right... Suspicious much? However this happens a lot, people write papers like this a lot about all kinds of things.

Larry, yes because it could kill them NOT because it means they'll be raped. They could be raped anywhere anytime.

I also tell them not to speed in cars, climb tall buildings or be irresponsible with guns.

Rape happens anywhere anytime. It is not about personal responsibility but thanks for blaming me chuck.

Offred,

Point me to a study which you prefer. I did my best to find an unbiased one. It is a statistical scientific study. I wanted one authored by women. These are two female professors. The only bent is that they are both primarily experts on alcohol and, I guess, if they have a bias, it is against intoxication. On the other hand, it references several other scientific studies and it is detailed and thorough.

Walter,

I have sons and will teach them not to get inebriated, for a whole slew of reasons.

And to be fair college students commonly drink to excess, they haven't looked at the comparisons to the college students who drink but aren't raped. Drinking is primarily a social activity in college they haven't controlled for this or looked at actually it is just that social drinkers are more likely to meet men who feel entitled to rape women.

A lot of students socialise in pubs, alcohol is usually involved in pub social situations.

Should women not go to pubs then?

Funny, because a lot of rapes occur after a man comes home to his wife from the pub, drunk.

Maybe we should be preaching to men not to get drunk so THEY don't rape.

Forhet studies and statistics.Use common sense.
If a person has raped,his behaviour has been appalling.
A woman, if it is a woman,needs to keep herself as safe as she can be at all times.

Offred,

Their conclusion was the opposite. They said that moderate drinking was NOT a risk factor.

Larry, if you can't see that that study was utterly biased in concentrating on the behaviour of the victims (who for all anyone knows could have been coerced into drinking too much by their rapist) then you really shouldn't have been at Oxbridge.

Those women were drawing their own conclusions - their was no statistical causality proved, it was just their own opinion.

Being drunk doesn't cause rape - I'll say it again - no non-rapist will rape a woman because she is intoxicated. A rapist causes rape.

Larry I'm not sure there is any evidence that anyone could provide that would pass your test (what does the authors being women have to do with it?) because your test seems to be "does it agree with me?" not "is it good science?" being authored by women doesn't make it unbiased, women are not more likely than men to be unbiased about rape and victim blaming.

Rape in the home is a different matter,a different situation.

And how exactly is she supposed to do that amillionyears?

Who cares about evidence, statisitics etc.
Use common sense.

GobblersKnob,do you mean in the home?

They concluded that alcohol program's were necessary in reducing rape.

Offred,

That is an unfair accusation. A proper statistical study showing that drink is not a risk factor would pass my test. And, that study is actually interesting in that is shows that moderate drinking is NOT a risk factor, so those saying that women should avoid pubs etc are wide of the mark.

Amillion, thanks for blaming me, maybe the onus should be on the rapist.

Try harder sentences for rapists, rather than the present trend of most of them walking free.

Take the rapists off the streets/out of the home, then victims might be safer?

That only works if not drinking to excess keeps you safe from rape (it doesn't).

It only works if rapists don't have any involvement in the lead up to the rape (which isn't true either).

"women are not more likely than men to be unbiased about rape and victim blaming"

bumbleymummy being a perfect example, unless of couse she is not indeed a mummy but indeed a hairy knuckled trucker.

Where is she this morning anyway? She would be getting on with larry like a house on fire, someone with a proper scientific study to back her up

I truly hope no one else suffers a rape.

It hasn't demonstrated that drinking to excess is a causal factor in rape larry. Although it concludes that, it hasnt demonstrated it. That is the point. If you can't see that in the paper itself and understand that is why it is bad science, if you can't understand the points I have made throughout the thread about rape being about power and control and protracted manipulative and controlling behaviour not just a sexual act then finding "evidence" for you is a waste of my time.