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DH just told me

156 replies

alittlesad · 31/05/2012 21:41

(namechaged as I know some people irl on here) he doesn't know if he's in love with me anymore. I don't know what to do, he and my kids (5&£3) are my world. He says he needs time to sort his head, and wouldn't have said anything if I hadn't have pushed him. (he's been very distant lately and not been himself) I was convinced he was ill or having an affair, which he assures me he is not. Should I carry on as normal, till he decides what he wants?

OP posts:
usualsuspect · 31/05/2012 22:58

I would tell him to go and sort his head out somewhere else.

Sod waiting around for him to decide what he wants.

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 22:58

and you got a genuine reply, curry, so no need for the Hmm face

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 22:59

AF, seriously, read the thread... I was responding to abit.

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:01

EclecticShock Thu 31-May-12 22:37:48
AF, you are extremely wide of the mark.

EclecticShock Thu 31-May-12 22:49:22
I meant wide of the mark in relation to comments made about me not the OP.

I read the thread.

Abitwobblynow · 31/05/2012 23:07

Curry: that is a really good question. There are several reasons: affairs are a maladjusted way of coping with problems (Subotnik) and as such are doomed to failure and more problems (every counsellor under the sun). The husband has poor coping skills and so to release his anxiety (healthy people do things like - open their mouths. Or write a letter. Or super healthy people phone Relate), he turns to a third party to lessen the intensity of the original bond. Affairs are a triangle (Cole) and are about the ego state of the INDIVIDUAL, not the wife or the marriage (Pittman). It is doubly unjust that she is blamed. But the OW is actually irrelevant. They are attracted to eachother, they act on that attraction, but they don't actually know eachother. They give eachother a lot of 'best behaviour' and admiration (which is false because they both know they are deceivers) - but they are strangers, projecting (Pittman). It is the 'forbidden' nature of affairs that give them their intensity. You will read on a lot of cheating threads 'we tried to stop it, but got back together'... this is used as proof of the luuuuuurve and 'this is bigger than both of us' - but the breakups are actually REQUIRED to keep the fantasy going and feed the addiction. If they spent to much time together, the gold plating starts rubbing off and the tarnish of two selfish immature people (the reality) dulls everything (Calder).

So this explains the other side of things: for a man looking to have his needs met, the OW meets some of those needs (intense admiration, ego boosting, excitement) and the wife meets the others (stability, family, homelife) (Harley). A man will ALWAYS want all his needs met, otherwise known as having his cake and eating it. Whilst the OW meets his most exciting needs, the wife actually meets MORE of his emotional needs. Therefore, the wife must separate immediately and withdraw all the meeting of those needs. He MUST lose his wife (Harley). You know, after you have f cked someone 100 different ways and said I love you 100 times in a week, what else is there? They start hearing 'Daddy' in their ear, wish to just come home to their own chair and their own cup of tea and their own quiet. And you don't know what you've lost till it's gone.
When men want to justify what they are doing (they can't possibly have anything wrong with them, so it must be the wife/marriage), they blame their spouse. She is a clingy nag. She doesn't keep the house clean (what I was told). She doesn't [fill in the blank]. All the time the wife clings weeps and begs, she is fulfilling his conviction that he is trapped, and causing him to cling to OW.
BUT: if she throws him out and starts living as though he never comes back, she is GIVING him the 'freedom' he so desperately says he wants, AND she is stating that she is worth more than this. He starts not liking the space he is in, OW starts to feel the clingy one, and he starts to respect the person he formerly despised. 'Gosh, I never thought she would react like this/I never knew she cared so much about me'.

~This is why us veterans advocate throwing him out. THROW him into OWs open, loving arms and open, loving legs, close the door and suddenly he isn't the one in control any more.

Sheesh. I know far too much about affairs.

'Affairs - the sacrifice of so much, for so little' - Frank Pittman

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 23:08

AF, if you are that concerned, message me. We don't need an audience. I am already very aware that I have been incredibley rude towards OP by discussing our differences on her thread. I apologise for that.

cahu · 31/05/2012 23:10

Alittlesad, my ex said the same to me and I spent the next 2 years trying to make him love me. It was the worst time of my life....ended up on AD's, a shaking wreck. Of course he was having an affair.... Trying to save a family when one person has already checked out is impossible and I wish I'd had the support of the wise ladies of Mumsnet then, and honestly I'm no pushover. It is unusual for a man to jeopardise his way of life and his home comforts without a back up plan. Take some control now.

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:16

that's ok, ES

I had no more to say until you started telling fibs

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 23:17

Goading eh :)

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:18

cahu that is what he's done, isn't it ?

he has jeopardised his cosy family with his cheap words, hasn't he

many, many women when faced with "I don't love you any more" would say "off you fuck, sunshine"

why is OP's H so sure that she won't do that ?

and what soft landing is he planning if she does ?

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:19

telling fibs I would class as goading

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 23:21

AF, doesn't work on me. As I said before, if you have something you want to discuss with me, message me. Otherwise kindly refrain from addressing me on this thread.

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:22

what doesn't work, ES?, you are still yapping at me

you said you were stopping some time ago

Abitwobblynow · 31/05/2012 23:24

Any Fucker, are you drunk?

You are contradicting yourself now.

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 23:25

You obviously have issues with me. Can't imagine how I have managed to get under your skin. I really would like to stop derailing this thread but you refuse to message me and I don't see why I should ignore posts being addressed to me.

Abitwobblynow · 31/05/2012 23:26

Cahu, what happened? How did you find out, what changed after 2 years? I mean, why not at the beginning, why after so long (did he get careless)?

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:27

Can you explain how I am contradicting myself, Abit

and how you would conclude I am drunk

cheeseandpineapple · 31/05/2012 23:27

Any Fucker, Electric Shock and Abit, for us spectators, this is how your exchange read without all the in between bits (can't sleep hence why I'm doing this, although it probably makes me a bit of a saddo:

ES: AF you are extremely wide off the mark.

ABIT: ES, I'm afraid you'll find that AF is so far off the mark that she will be spot on.

ES: I meant wide off the mark in relation to the comments made by me, not OP.

I think you're probably all on the same page.

OP, sorry to hear what's happened, inclined to agree that you may need to take a decisive and unexpected stance and cut him loose, he probably won't be expecting that, will either make him wake up and smell the coffee or damage limitation for you if he is straying.

Either way, not what you want to be dealing with, hope you're doing ok...

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:29

look, ES, you don't want to ignore posts addressed to you

I feel the same

I am not going to pm you

now here you go...I will give you the floor, the last word is yours, I promise (even though you said it was about two dozen snipes ago)

BeeBread · 31/05/2012 23:31

Uncrossing some wires:

EclecticShock Thu 31-May-12 22:37:48
AF, you are extremely wide of the mark.

Abitwobblynow Thu 31-May-12 22:47:43
...Electricshock, I am afraid that very sadly you will find that Any Fucker is so far wide of the mark, that she is spot on. Give this a couple of weeks...

EclecticShock Thu 31-May-12 22:49:22
I meant wide of the mark in relation to comments made about me not the OP.

BeeBread · 31/05/2012 23:32

cheeseandpineapple - great minds think alike, yours just rather more quickly than mine!

EclecticShock · 31/05/2012 23:32

Makes sense to me.

cahu · 31/05/2012 23:32

AF, it's textbook.....but difficult to come to terms with at the start....we know men like the simple things, feed them, shag them, they are happy. When this is not making them happy, they are getting fed and watered elsewhere, it really is as simple as that. Usually anyway.

AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 23:34

sad, but largely true (in this context), cahu

cahu · 31/05/2012 23:38

Abitwobblynow..... My niece and her husband saw them together in a wine bar in town.... Although I had suspicions he was having an affair and who it was with, he was/is a master manipulator and wanted his cake etc etc. They are still together although 6 months after my divorce he was calling me to get back together!!!