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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - On Their Way To............... Amarillo?

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Mouseface · 27/04/2012 21:01

.............. sorry, ran out of ideas tonight! Grin

Hello, tis me, Mouse and I have a very abusive relationship with alcohol, vodka in particular.

Welcome to the Battle Bus, full of totally Brave Babes all on their own personal journey to sobriety. Some are there, some are still on their way and some aren't quite ready yet but stay on the Bus for a good old natter Smile

Wherever you are in your quest to get back control of your drinking, we've all been there too so you're not alone, not by a long shot.

Come take a seat and say hello.

If you'd like to know the history behind this amazing journey, you can follow the links back HERE

See you soon Smile x

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Carrie370 · 10/05/2012 17:54

Angel, you feel pants now, but hey, what strength you showed in handing back the bottle at the till! And pouring away a drink ... always sooo difficult, but you did it and you have stopped! Hold your head high, well done!

horribletruth · 10/05/2012 17:57

Angel You had a half can of lager rather than a bottle of wine. Don't be so hard on yourself - that is better than what you used to do isn't it? Well done on putting the bottle back when you got to the till. Try and focus on the positive changes you have made (hard I know when not in the right frame of mind) x
Soma Glad you have stopped before parents evening. x

NonAstemia · 10/05/2012 18:49

Epic post to Silly part II...

I had a complicated relationship with my dad too, with a lot of guilt involved. He was quite manipulative and good at laying the guilt trips on; I still don't know how much of that he did deliberately and how much was due to a lack of self-awareness. He was emotionally abusive (and occasionally physically violent) to my mother when they were married - they divorced when I was 11. He was a very selfish man. He relied a lot on me for emotional closeness and support. We were very close when I was a teen and into my early twenties, but I grew increasingly exasperated with his refusal to change. He was a depressive and heavy drinker/controlled alcoholic, and wouldn't make any positive changes, even when he was diagnosed with cirrhosis. He liked me to worry about him and nag him - it made him feel loved.

Around a decade ago, he was accused of something really terrible. Really really terrible. I still don't know whether it was true, and I will never know now, which I find very very very hard. It was a dreadful period, and I withdrew from him in a way that I hadn't before. He moved abroad and our relationship was strained until he died a couple of years ago. I slowly realised that although I still loved him, I didn't like the person I was starting to realise that he was. I didn't like the person who would lead the lifestyle he was living. We spoke regularly on the phone, which I really dreaded, because I felt the weight of his need for my love and support, and his need for me to care about him and worry about him and try to heal him. But I couldn't heal him Silly, any more than you can heal your dad. Sad I felt guilty and angry and exasperated, and that manifested in my being sometimes quite cold and matter of fact about the fact that he was dying (whereas in my late teens/early twenties he used to regularly get drunk and bring up the subject of his death and how I 'musn't be upset' and I used to get very upset, and cry and ask him not to talk about it), which I think upset him. I didn't go and visit him in the 6 years he lived there, despite it being an 'idyllic' holiday location, because I just couldn't deal with it all.

He was dying slowly and unpleasantly of liver failure and had talked a lot about his death. He had a fall when drunk and was having odd symptoms in the days afterwards. I told him and told him to go to the fucking hospital. He didn't, and then collapsed, begged his gf not to call an ambulance but she did. I got a phonecall in the middle of the night from his hysterical gf (who he hadn't taught decent English to in the five yrs they'd been together because it suited him just fine that she couldn't hold a proper conversation with him) and doctors who wanted me to make the decision of whether to operate or not - he had a sub-dural haemorrhage, which is much more likely in heavy drinkers.

I almost decided to PM this to Silly instead, but then I thought 'well hereby hangs a cautionary tale for all of us as to where drinking leads us in the end' so I'm going to post it. Sorry for such an epic and depressing tale.

After much awful deliberation, I told them not to operate. I know what he wanted, and it wasn't that - he'd been very clear about it. The tale continues from there in exceedingly grim and sometime hilarious fashion (y'all know how dark my sense of humour is by now Hmm), but I won't bore you with that. The key thing is that he didn't die for another week, during which I should have gone over there. I didn't, for lots of reasons, and I was judged harshly for it, both by some family members, and by myself, deep down. My point Silly (ramblingly made as per usual) is that there has to be a line you draw between yourself and someone who has created the circumstances from which they want you to rescue them. Does that make sense? I couldn't rescue my dad from the person he'd chosen to be and the life he'd created for himself. And you can't either.

That doesn't mean I didn't care about him (for all of the huge fucked up mess of emotions I feel about him and what he did or didn't do), and I suspect you care about your father too, otherwise this wouldn't upset you so much. But stop feeling guilty, draw your lines and boundaries, and stick to them. His pain is not your responsibility, and you can't heal it.

Blimey. Blush Blush Blush Sorry folks. I knew that'd be a bit of an outpouring, I do apologise.

NonAstemia · 10/05/2012 18:49

I hit post before I could change my mind again. Grin

chasingtail · 10/05/2012 19:30

Mia ]]]]]]]]]]]]

What can I say?

chasingtail · 10/05/2012 19:31

sorry rubbish typos

ilovemyelectricblanket · 10/05/2012 19:31

Mia (((((())))))

You really are quite beautifully articulate and I thank you for sharing that with us. You are a brave and wonderful babe and what you have had to go though is truly awful. Im so sorry that youve had to deal with all that.

Im so sad that life can be so awful sometimes..... :O(

You were dealt a crappy hand and you coped magnificently. I hope as a result of it all you dont have to carry too much pain as a result of your fathers poor parenting.

Im glad you shared that story. Youve helped me as well as Im sure Silly and I thank you again.

I only wish I could be as fair, honest and eloquent as you.

x

celeryandsalt · 10/05/2012 19:49

Evening all. I've just caught up and, once again, have been struck by the thoughtful, insightful painful and compassionate posts that have been made today. I wish I have something constructive to add but can only really post about dogs and the importance of good bra fitting so I shall bid you goodnight for now. x

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 19:55

(((( mia ))))

I came on to talk to whoever was being all existential earlier- we'll die anyway, etc. but I'm all shakey and can't find it scrolling through.

So to all BB re life etc.

I've just got off the phone to my lovely uncle. My lovely drunk lonely alcoholic uncle. I never call him after about 6, because he's hard to talk to when drunk- not just for me as an alcoholic, the whole family knows not to call. He'll have passed out now Sad

He hasn't as far as I know had a relationship for nearly 40 years (I'm the closest person to him emotionally) He has no children, he has no friends. He has a cat and phonecalls. That's it.

As a family we really love him and try to see him, but its difficult to stay, certainly with children who realise what's happening and he hates staying away, obviously.

He honestly has no reason to get sober.

NonAstemia · 10/05/2012 19:55

Just checking in briefly. Thank you chasing and blanket. blanket it wasn't such a bad hand really, I reckon everyone's families hold some dark old secrets! And don't be so silly - you are just as fair, honest and eloquent as me, as are all the Babes who bare their souls on here!! xx

Just wanted to clarify one thing after reading my post again - my dad wasn't dying in my early 20s when he used to constantly talk about his impending demise - he was just morbid and liked the reinforcement of seeing me distraught at the thought of being without him, I think. His body was enormously resilient considering he existed on an appalling diet and between half a bottle (evening session only) and a bottle (lunch plus evening sessions, nap in between) a day on normal days, more on high days, holidays and every day during the last few years when he knew his liver was giving up.

AngelWreakinHavoc · 10/05/2012 19:59

mia Carrie Truth Thank You, You are all right I can not beat myself up over this. It could have been a lot worse! I have had food and a cuddle and now after reading mia's post Im in tears.

You are so brave for sharing that with us mia, Your story has really helped with a different aspect of my life and I am very grateful. Thank You! x

NonAstemia · 10/05/2012 20:00

Cross-posted. Help it's the evening for relatives who are beyond our redemption then, isn't it. I adored my uncle, who was the younger, uncontrolled alkie of the brothers. I don't adore him any more though, after watching the years ravage him and his drinking ravage everyone around him. Sad Another tale for another time.

celery get your bum back on here and talk about bras and dogs!! The thread needs some light relief after all my depressing dirge. Wink

I've had a couple of glasses of wine now so I'm going to watch a film and will check in to say goodnight later.

xx

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 10/05/2012 20:21

Wow. Just wow. Thank you everyone for all your support, advice and opinions today. It was really, really appreciated. Faire, Soma, Blanket, Carrie, Greyhound - thank you. And to everyone else from before - thank you again. I will respond to your individual comments as soon as I can but tonight I need to switch my head off. I've not been sleeping well and I can't cope with another bad night. I hope you understand. I am sorry to everyone who has been through (or is still going through) similar problems. I hope you see that it is good to talk :) I feel much better, although exhausted by spending the last few days thinking of very little else. Mia, thank you so much for your words. I really appreciate how much time and effort you put into what you write. I'm so sorry you had to go through that x

Again, I will give your posts the reply they deserve as soon as I can. Please believe me that I appreciate every one. Just now I need to think about something else for a while before I decide what to do. It is far too tempting to reach for the wine to relax me right now, but I will have a nice bath instead (I'm learning, right? Grin). Be strong, Babes. We can all get through together :)

Help, look after yourself tonight x

Now please get back to talking about dogs and bras and pants...I'm off so hopefully that'll lighten the mood somewhat...Blush Grin

Night all x

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 20:27

Dogs. YY to greyhounds- we have a staffie x whippet. Absolutely gorgeous, either flat out or fast asleep.
Bras. ahem. As the proud owner of the other sort of AAs I have nothing to contribute. Blush

horribletruth · 10/05/2012 20:31

Wow Mia You write so eloquently. (((()))) to you. So much of what you said has hit a nerve about how I feel with my family.
I couldn't rescue my dad from the person he'd chosen to be and the life he'd created for himself. That is how I feel about my mum. I do not want my DC to feel the same about me.
I hope you enjoy your film and have a relaxing evening x
SSSM Hope you have a lovely bath and you are able to empty your mind for a while Smile
Celery Please come back and talk about bras. I am throwing out my grey and holey bras (along with my holey knickers) and am going to treat myself to some new ones but I always struggle to find nice supportive ones that are in my price range. I neeeed your help Smile
Day 10 for me but am feeling a bit twitchy tonight. No wine in the house to tempt me so am going to potter on MN to take my mind off it.

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 20:37

Mia all I can say is thank you for sharing this with us. And what a huge help it must be to Silly too, who is in a similar situation. This is what it's all about, all us lost souls talking to eachother and gaining strength from what we tell eachother. I feel for you so much and what happened with your dad and am so glad you appear to have found a sense of peace with your DP and wonderful DD.

Help I think it was me being existential earlier but I've come to my senses and know that the only way to live is in the NOW. I was the epitome of decorum at the parents' evening, despite being the best part of a bottle and 2 diazepam down. I feel so respectable on the surface but like an utter hedonistic thrill-seeker underneath. I reckon I'm still rebelling against my repressive upbringing and just love the idea of kicking over the traces. But then again, I strive to be organised, reliable and an all-round good egg. I love it when people tell me how down to earth I am, how reliable (and a lot do), if only they knew...

Angel don't worry about what we're going to think - we are you, we know how it is! You've done well, tried to limit what you drink and that's OK. I've behaved in exactly the way I've been trying to avoid since joining the bus, but hey, IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ME FROM TRYING TO BE THE BEST I CAN BE. At the very least I'm not in denial anymore, and that's a huge relief.

celeryandsalt · 10/05/2012 20:43

Oh ok, but I'll have to be brief All I will say on the subject of bras is that it took me to 38 to get fitted properly and my god it made a difference. I am (ahem) somewhat blessed shall we say and had spent most of my life thinking I was a 36C. Turns out I'm a 32FF which is a whole different ball game! I now go to a little independant in a nearby town where the woman who runs it literally looks at you (full clothed I add) and just knows your size. I have, over the last few years, treated myself to a matching set every few months or so and can now wear matching fancies every day of the week!

As it is quite likely I will remain single for the rest of my life this seems a somewhat waste of cash however it now means I feel so much more 'put together' and the fact that I'm not swinging around all over the place means I can wear a size 8/10 top rather than a 14 without actually losing weight!

I reckon for the bottle a day habit you're talking about weeks worth of wine for something nice - got to be worth it??

Right, have numeracy to plan. I have lowered the tone sufficiently, will check in later. x

Mouseface · 10/05/2012 20:57

Evening, tis me, Mouse

Wow, what a day? Lots of soul bearing and opening of boxes here. I love this place. Anything goes.......

Today I have read every post and nodded, cried, laughed, cried, remembered and felt every single emotion on the scale.

SSSM, Mia, Babes - we are all here just the once. One shot. One heart. One chance to be.

Life can be spectacularly frickin shit at times, and then, in amongst the pain, the tears, the sorrow and the utter devastation, a little light will pierce through the darkness.

A little voice, a little warm glow..... something. You can't quite see it, or touch it, or reach it, but it's there.

It can be tiny, it can be huge. It can be yours if you just give yourself permission to hold it close..................

Hope. Smile

Hope will help us to breathe, Hope will help us to see, Hope will help us to feel real again. To accept who we want to be. Hope will carry you home, wipe your tears away, tell you that you can do it. Hope will hold your hand when you say those words out loud.

Hope. It's there if you want it, for all of us. xx

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dementedma · 10/05/2012 21:00

mia I could have written a lot of that about my father too! we have quite a lot in common.

GingerWrath · 10/05/2012 21:00

I am sorry, after my triumphant three days I am very much back at the depot, feel a bit ashamed so hence my radio silence. Hugs to you all x

Mouseface · 10/05/2012 21:01

I'm a 34H. Beat that!!!! Grin

Blanket - spot on re my DF. I bit the bullet today (normally I'd not dare to get involved in family politics) and called my toxic at times mother.

It wasn't very nice but I got my point across re my DF being upset and my sister being a mahooooooooosive PITA.

Now I'm off to get my Russell Howard fix and then will be back to do a new thread so PLEASE!!!!! No more chatting past 980 posts!! Grin

Mwahs, Mouse xxxxxxxxxx

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SadSoma · 10/05/2012 21:08

Celery 32FF wow Grin You would be any man's dream but if you're feeling anything like me at the moment, you probably can't be arsed! Where do you live, where's this little shop of delights where you can find anything you desire? We used to have one, but it closed down :(

dementedma · 10/05/2012 21:12

mouse you can't possibly be an H. I have seen your profile pics - you are a slip of a thing.
I have just gone down from a D to a C but that's because I'm fat, rather than well endowed.

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 21:12

Mouse you look titchy in your photos, I'm really impressed! Do you get back/shoulder ache, I sure do. Guess it's just a question of finding the right equipment to keep them in place -I swear by the Panache balconnet Tango II, a bra beyond compare...

Mouseface · 10/05/2012 21:18

I use THESE to hold em up! Grin

I do get horrid back ache, big bresticles run in the family though.... I was always popular at gym class in school........ no idea why? Hmm Grin

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