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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - On Their Way To............... Amarillo?

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Mouseface · 27/04/2012 21:01

.............. sorry, ran out of ideas tonight! Grin

Hello, tis me, Mouse and I have a very abusive relationship with alcohol, vodka in particular.

Welcome to the Battle Bus, full of totally Brave Babes all on their own personal journey to sobriety. Some are there, some are still on their way and some aren't quite ready yet but stay on the Bus for a good old natter Smile

Wherever you are in your quest to get back control of your drinking, we've all been there too so you're not alone, not by a long shot.

Come take a seat and say hello.

If you'd like to know the history behind this amazing journey, you can follow the links back HERE

See you soon Smile x

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 10/05/2012 08:15

Did someone mention lists? Grin

Oooh I love a good list, I do.

Have a fabulous day Truth, remember to check in regularly or the mother hens on this bus will start to worry Wink

See you all later x

Tristessa · 10/05/2012 09:19

Ah, that's shit about the headache Truth. I woke up with a crashing one yesterday - think it was to do with the 99% humidity in the S.E. Any better now?

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 09:21

Truth I'm so pleased for you that you slept so well. Go and write that list and come back and tell us what you're up to. How lovely not to be hungover :)

I'm so glad I didn't give in to my "tidal wave" of a craving (great turn of phrase Mia) and am reasonably boingy today. Afraid I don't have much to add to the knicker/pants/panties discussion other than I avoid anything that doesn't come half-way up my tum. And even if your neighbour has the pert buttocks of a teen Mia, the wearing of the thong displays such a lack of class, don't you think?

I know we talked about bras earlier and wondered where you ladies of more ample dimnensions (E upwards) get your bras? I usually get mine online but the one I normally use has been awful (Uplifted) and wonder if anyone could recommend a more reliable one. Till later xx

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 09:56

Sorry about the headache- it is very humid today. I prescribe water, a painkiller and marmite on toast.

I also have a headache; it's a very highclass one, caused by my cleaner's perfume Blush it's also making my eyes itch and throat tighten, but I really can't say anything about it, can I?

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 10/05/2012 10:16

Morning all. Hello Truth. A list sounds like a great idea. If one of the things is proving too difficult or triggery then move onto the next thing on the list. You are doing soooo well. You too, Tristessa :) (by the way, is your name a Smashing Pumpkins or Manics reference? Or neither? Blush Grin. I hope everyone slept well and has at least a little bit of boing. I'm sure all our boingometers will show some improvement if when the sun returns.

Can I ask your advice, please, Babes? It might be wise to get yourself a Brew, I'm afraid this is going to be a long one...

I am realising that there is something in particular that is threatening my sobreity. By the way, I'm not aiming for total abstinence. I have enormous respect for everyone who can do that, but for me, right now, I know I couldn't do it, and, I have to admit that I don't want to. However, my drinking has reduced dramatically. From a bottle (or a bit more) almost every night, when I first climbed aboard, to just drinking once in the last ten days, and I didn't find any cravings that difficult to manage. That said, I did drink a full bottle when I did drink but it was a Saturday (therefore DH could get up with the DC the next day), I had planned it, and I drank it quite slowly and did not consider having any more, and no-one suffered the next day. That is progress for me, although I know it is not ideal.

Aaaaanyway...I am learning to prevent my triggers, learning how to manage cravings, learning how to deal with my emotions without drinking. There have been blips throughout the last few months of course but all in all I feel quite positive about my future. By the way Help, that anecdote about alcoholism being in the next room doing push-ups was very, very powerful. Anyway, whilst I am learning to deal with other things in a less emotional way, contact from my father always, always leads to an emotional response. It has been particularly bad over the last few days (trip to A&E, dramatic and seeking behaviour, getting people I don't know to contact me about him when there is really no need etc). I am alternating between worry, frustration, depression and anger and I just can't see how it can ever be any different. To try and cut a long story short, he left us when I was five and my sister was two. I believe he had an affair (my mum won't speak to me about him Hmm so I know very little about what happened). I do know that he had severe mental health problems prior to him leaving and my mum did her best to support him (he was hospitalised for long periods) whilst managing alone with two young children. He is now in his late sixties but has continued to suffer badly with anxiety and OCD. He has some physical health problems too but it is the mental health ones which render him almost housebound. He has never worked (he truly is incapable), has few friends, lives in poverty, is incapable of cooking or looking after himself, and the inside of his flat is so cluttered it looks like the type of place people make documentaries about :( It is so incredibly sad. What a horrible, sad life he has had, and I cannot imagine how/why it would ever change... So on the one hand I have huge sympathy for him, but on the other I just don't like him Blush :( He is completely self-absorbed, manipulative, attention-seeking, unreliable (obviously I don't rely on him for anything, but it is amazing how someone can let you down even when you don't ask or expect anything of them). It is so hard to explain how difficult he is (everyone says the same, it's not just me). I see him rarely (twice in the last five years, maybe, each time for a few hours). I've seen him every few years (for similarly short visits) since I've been an adult, and when I was a child we went through phases of seeing him every couple of weeks, then nothing for months (I think, again it is not talked about). By the way, he's lived a long way from us for as long as I can remember. Now we're outside of the UK so a trip to see him involves a flight and a long car journey, so regular contact ain't gonna happen. So I've never had a happy, loving relationship with him (partly due to his mental health problems - I found it very hard as a child, and why my mum let me visit him in the 'institutions' I don't know...difficult memories :(). So now he seems to be expecting me to care for him. He has given me the telephone numbers of the housing association, district nurses, his friends etc. I haven't asked for them, I haven't said I will help, but he seems to have pushed this onto me. I don't know what to do. I feel guilty as hell but I just don't like him, and I have never had a good relationship with him, and I don't remember him ever being anything but self-absorbed, selfish, dismissive of whatever I say, manipulative and weak. How horrible am I? He is such a sad, lonely man. I feel I should take some responsibility (being his eldest child), yet I feel that actually I owe him nothing. To be quite honest if he wasn't so vulnerable I would have no contact with him. Every time he contacts me (several times a week, at least), my heart sinks. I am ashamed to say that I won't give him my new phone number because I found the phonecalls too difficult, too intrusive, and he would give my number to his friends and ask them to phone me too. He'd phone me at work and just be inappropriate. He's not awful - he's not angry, or violent, or abusive, but he is just selfish, inappropriate, and manipulative. I find conversations with him so difficult. He ignores what I say, things that I tell him are important, or important to me. I expect nothing from him, yet he seems to expect a lot from me. I suppose my dilemma is - is he my responsibility?? I feel so guilty that I don't do more, yet I feel like I'm not being true to myself when I make so much effort with the things that I do. Every year I send him a hamper at Christmas with homemade decorations (done by the DC), nice food, presents, cards etc, I always send a Father's Day card and present, always send him a birthday card and present, always on time. I bought him a cooker, a TV, a PC, all things he just happened to mention that he needed...he barely said thank you. If we get anything from him it is almost ALWAYS very late. It's not about the card or the gift (he finds it difficult to get to the shops, I understand that), it's about the thought. Everything is always about him. So I'm angry and hurt and depressed (I know he'll never change). But I feel guilty. I sometimes try to put him out of my mind but then I get an email from him and BAM! I'm feeling like this again. Smartphones have a lot to answer for...I can be at the shops, walking the dog, playing the DC, in bed, and then I get an email from him and I just want to cry, or scream... So what do I do? I can't change my email address as that is the only way we communicate. But each time I hear from him (especially recently with his latest sympathy-seeking behaviour) I feel like all the good work I have done on myself and my drinking recently is just seconds away from being completely undone. I don't know how to deal with my feelings towards him. And I don't know how you lovely Babes can help, but I don't know what else to do :( DH feels as hopeless as I do (yet his brain has an 'off' button...). Any thoughts, anyone? Sorry to be so incredibly me, me, me, and if you've read all this you deserve a bloody medal! Grin x

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 10/05/2012 10:17

It's good to get it out, right? Blush Grin

AngelWreakinHavoc · 10/05/2012 10:18

Good Morning Babes

NonAstemia I hope You are feeling better today?

horribletruth It is very bizarre going into a shop and not buying alcohol, It is something I will have to get used to though (I hope) I do hope Your headache gets better, I woke up with a terrible Headache, I didnt sleep well at all last night, Terrible dreams (which I cant remember) Night sweats and not really knowing if I was awake or dreaming half the night. Took some painkillers and it has eased a bit now.

I now have a different type of headache My ARSE of a Boyfriend!

I agreed last week that I would take him to darts tonight and would stay and drive him back, He has just reminded me that I had agreed to do it so shouldnt really back out now, He knows this is my 3rd day sober and how much it means to me but he is still expecting me to sit in a pub for hours tonight so he can have a drink. I could bliddy cry :(

AngelWreakinHavoc · 10/05/2012 10:31

Sorry SSSM We posted at the same time. I have a similar relationship with My Mother (Well i did have) She is a very distructive person and always made me feel so bad about myself, When i had my ds2 I was due to go in for ECS and she said she wanted to be there, I paid for her tickets down and the night before I went into hospital she got so drunk she physically attacked my ex dP for no reason whatsoever,no all my babie pics which were took when he was born my ex has scratches and marks all over his face. There is numerous other stories I could tell you but i wont bore you with them lol. I eventually cut her out of my life 2 yrs ago and have never looked back. We lived 200 miles apart and she never brought me up but whenever there was any contact with her at all I was always getting hurt, She is a big drinker and believe she also has mental health issues. I am not saying you should cut contact with your Dad only you can decide that. I am just saying in my situation it was something I felt i had to do and it worked for me. ((Big hugs))

jesuswhatnext · 10/05/2012 10:36

silly - sorry i have to quick so my answer to you is pretty short, not all i really want to say, however the gist is this - i think your father is manipulating you, i think you need to harden yourself against the guilt you feel, i believe we actually owe our parents nothing, its lovely and wonderful blah blah if we have supportive loving relationships with our parents but to me, its not a given, we have to earn love and respect, im afraid your father is now reaping what he has sown - i think you are a lovely lady with a big heart, keep it for your family, dont let it be used and abused by someone selfish and uncaring! im sorry it write and run but im due at a meeting in 5 - love to you!

jesuswhatnext · 10/05/2012 10:38

to write! doh!

Hopefullyrecovering · 10/05/2012 10:47

SSSM A very wise friend once said to me that, when it comes to other people (even family members) you have to evaluate two things.

  1. What you bring to them. So are you bringing positive stuff that enhances their life? Here I can see that you are bringing positive stuff to your Dad's life
  2. What they bring to you. Same question in reverse. Here I can see that this relationship is bringing you nothing but emotional pain.

So ultimately you have to weigh whether the benefit you bring to your father is worth the pain it is bringing to you. If your father had been a loving and present father, I suspect that should come into the balance as well. However as it stands, my thinking is that you don't owe him anything for the past, and he gives you nothing but pain now. So I think you should not assume any responsibility for him, and I think you should email him kindly but firmly telling him so.

You have a responsibility to yourself and your children to keep yourself healthy and whole. Your father is not going to be helped now anymore than he has been capable of being helped in the past.

Good luck, Babe

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 10:47

SSSM it is good to get it out. Grin

But Sad at what you're going through with your Dad. What is good is that you recognize how damaging to your sobriety his behaviour is, if you don't recognize triggers you can't resist them.

Can you set your Smartphone to not ping whenever you get an email? How many emails do you actually need to act on immediately? Or set a password on your phone so that rather than the scenario playing out like this:

'SSSM playing with her DCs- ping- immediately immersed in Dad's drama' it goes something like this.
'SSSM playing with her DCs- ping-enters numbers that remind you to breathe and that you are a strong woman- what's Dad up to now?'

I can really sympathise. I occasionally hear the ring tone of the phone I had when my drinking was really chaotic and I am immediately right back there in the fear.

NonAstemia · 10/05/2012 11:10

Silly I've read and have some thoughts on this, but I'm trying to snatch a minute to read this thread whilst doing maths with DD, so can't answer fully now. I will in a bit though when we've got on each other's nerves enough for me to banish her to play for a bit Grin

Morning everyone, btw. Smile

Tristessa · 10/05/2012 11:45

Morning Mia!

SSSM, thanks - I completely agree with Hopefully's post. Hard for you though Sad

Angel, will you be going? He can't really know or understand how important this is to you.

horribletruth · 10/05/2012 11:54

SSSM Sad for you about your dad. I don't have any advice as such, but with regards to the emails from him, could you set up an email address for him only, and decide that you will only check them once a day/week/month? And set it up so that it doesn't ping on your phone (technophobe here so not sure if it is possible).
Angel Is it possible for you to drop your BF at the pub and then go swimming/see a friend/late night shopping whilst he is there? I know you probably cn't do that till closing but might lessen the amount of time you spend in the pub. Or could you take him there and then he get a taxi home?
Hope No I hadn't thought about Vit B tablets, any idea of the best ones or are they all the same?
My head is still banging but I have had porridge for breakfast, cleaned and tidied downstairs and am going up for a shower now then will clean the bathroom. Or clean the bathroom then have a shower? Confused Whichever way I do it I feel as though I should do it the other way Smile

aliasjoey · 10/05/2012 12:51

flub That is the non-boing.

Despite not having had a drink, or a hangover, I do not feel the boing. Where is the boing?

I have only had one boing, and that was last Saturday morning when I got up and realised I didn't have to sneak my wine-glass downstairs to hide the fact that I'd carried on drinking after everyone else had gone to bed.

Every other day has just been hard sloggery.

SillyStrokeSensibleMum · 10/05/2012 12:58

Thank you all. It does feel good to talk about it, and I am so very grateful for your responses (although of course they did make me cry...:)). I feel like I am holding onto my (relative) sobriety and mental health by the skin of my teeth at the moment. I am trying so hard to get myself stronger and more resilient. Your support means the world to me, thank you :)

Angel, sorry to hear about your mum. Sounds like you had no choice. How did she take it when you cut off contact? How apologetic/remorseful was she after she attacked your ex? Shock. That's shocking. I wonder whether you could get your photos Photoshopped to get rid of the scratches etc? It is so sad that such special photos must bring back horrible memories :( What have you decided about tonight? Could you drop him off then go back home and pick him up again later? I know it'll be a faff but sitting in a pub for hours is a bit much to ask Confused.

Jesus, thank you for your lovely message, I appreciate it :) You're right, I need to save my energy for my DC. Last night I shouted at them before they went to bad (badly :() and it was just because I'd got another email from him and I was fretting about it. They didn't deserve it :( Thank you again for starting this threat. What would I do without it?!

Hopefully thank you for your wise words. I think you've hit the nail on the head. I just need to decide what to do next. This bit - "You have a responsibility to yourself and your children to keep yourself healthy and whole. Your father is not going to be helped now anymore than he has been capable of being helped in the past." really hit home. I think that is important for me to remember. Maybe it will help me distance myself from him and his problems. Thank you.

Help/Truth, thank you, there are some really good, practical ideas there! I think I can set my phone to stick his emails in a separate folder (not the main one which I check all the time - we're applying to emigrate at the moment so lots of important stuff and as I am a bit OCD myself I couldn't possibly not be checking my main inbox every ten seconds few minutes!). And the bin special inbox I set up for him :o won't ping, so I can check it when the DC are in bed.

Tristessa and Mia, thank you. I hope you are feeling OK today Mia (you too, Tristessa but you know what I mean?! Confused Blush

I need to think about it all. I think I do need to toughen up or put up some kind of barrier whereas he can write what he likes but I don't respond in such an emotional way. I am thinking about cutting off contact but I know how badly it would affect him. Despite his faults and bizarre behaviour, I know he loves me and the DC. He has threatened (or even attempted, I'm not sure) suicide before. Only the once, he's not THAT manipulative, but I don't think I could live with that :( Lots to think about. Thanks again for all your support, Babes. I do feel better now. I don't know what I'd have done without you. I can guess that there might have been a bottle put in the fridge by now...

I hope everyone else is having a good day. Today I will not be drinking :)

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 13:01

Silly you've dealt with your hopeless father with far more kindness and compassion than he deserves. My dad is very needy at the moment (also an OCD/anxiety sufferer!) and we've always had a very difficult relationship - he basically treated us like second-class citizens when we were kids and we were all scared of him. So I find it incredibly hard now when he says how much he needs me and appreciates what I do for him. It all rings so hollow....But in his way I suppose he did care for us so he's a saint compared to your dad....

I agree entirely with what Hopefully says about how you should deal with him and how your responsibility lies squarely with keeping yourself well for you and your family. Try not to feel guilty about recognising that even if you wanted to, you can't really help him anyway.

I think I've moreorless decided to drink today and it's making me feel wretched. I'm going through one of those phases when I think what the hell does it matter if I drink, life is short, we all end up in the ground anyway and I just want to get off my head for a bit. I have an addictive personality, that's for sure...I'm having blood tests tomorrow to make sure I can take antabuse and hope I get an appointment soon to get a prescription. I really am beginning to think it's my only hope.

Truth I hope your day is going well, even if you're getting your jobs mixed up :)

helpyourself · 10/05/2012 13:15

sadsoma that really is madness, knowing that you will drink and dreading it. Sad if you're definite, and have done all that you can to apply 'halt', can you see it as research. Really analyse how you feel before, during and after?

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 13:21

Thanks Help that does put a different slant on it, why would I want to drink if I was dreading it? And I know how I'll feel after, like crap and full of self-loathing. Maybe I should just try and focus on the AFTER - as much as I can. And thanks x

horribletruth · 10/05/2012 13:28

Aw Soma I understand that feeling of "Ah fuck it". But Help is right, you know you will feel worse afterwards. Sending you (((hugs)))
I couldn't decide whether to clean the bathroom before or after my shower so decided not to clean it at all today Grin
Just made myself some lunch, a chicken and bacon salad and a pint of water, not overly healthy but better than before when I would have a bacon and fried egg roll washed down with a mug of wine Blush

ilovemyelectricblanket · 10/05/2012 13:30

Hello All,
Just popping in to say Ive missed you all.
Have had a marathon read and am now up to date.
Its true this bus is Hotel Calinfornia in style. You can check-out any time but you can never leave....
SSSM. I have so much to say to you about your Dad. Im in a similar positon and its fecking up my sobriety. More soon.
Mouse - its your Nemo and its his Baptisim. If sister can get to it then its tough luck. You can only tell your DF your thoughts on this subject (there is no way on earth he should make that many trips - bless him!!) and leave the matter in his hands. He is a grown up and tho you love and want to protect him - you can change people and the dynamics of his relationship with his wife. You will only hurt yourself in trying. I will say tho - does your Mum drive? Can they hire a car and then all come en mass in two cars?

My main point on this is that you cant change them that dont want to be changed. And if you DF does all these things despite his own needs - then there isnt much you can do.

Gosh. I mean this kindly. Hope it reads that way.

Where is SAF? Giiiiinnnnnnggggggeeeerrrrrrrr???? Hope all ok.

Right. Im ok. Sort of. In hell in RL but not drinking like the old fish that I used to be. Still drinking of course but not as bad as before when I first found you all.

Who was it that used to go to extraordinary lenths to find 50cl bottles of wine? I did that last night and it was brilliant. When it ran out - it ran out....

Feel ok today (booze wise) and not hungover.

Hi to all. Soma - Im especially chuffed for you. You are doing so bloody well. Stay strong Soma because you are a Brave Babe now.

Sarah did you get my pm? Happy Anniversary my lovely.

x

ilovemyelectricblanket · 10/05/2012 13:37

Crikey. x posted with loads of posts...

Some do you have any alcohol in the house? If so get rid now. While you can. If you drink today you will find it even harder tomorrow to stop. Please dont drink today. Its exactly the reason that life is too short. Too short to have a drink, wake up depressed and pissed off and start the process all over again..... Life is too short for that. :)

SSSM. Do you have any siblings? Can you pass the responsibility onto them? Share it even? I do think you need some ground rules. You cant ruin your quality of life to care for someone who is simply a blood relative.

SadSoma · 10/05/2012 14:03

Way to go Truth, keep it up. Lovely to hear from you Blanket, great line from Hotel California. I have no wine at home (that would be an absolute DISARSTER) but walk past Tesco on my way home. Jesus, Mary & Joseph give me the strength to cross the road...

I need a dog, to go home and give it a cuddle, look deep into its soulful eyes and then take it for a good hike round the park. The cat is lovely, like a living ornament but she hates being squished (DD's word for hug). The jury is still out at the moment because of my working hours but I think it's just a matter of time.

aliasjoey · 10/05/2012 14:11

soma get a dog, get a dog, get a dog!

I shouldn't encourage you if you're not ready, but.... what breed? how old?

Dogs are the best thing for keeping us sober. You can't walk a dog when drunk (well, you can, but the kids in the local park will laugh at you Blush )

Oh, and not all dogs have soulful eyes. My dog has cheeky eyes which say "I chewed the toilet roll - please still love me!"