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As my user name indicates...(long, sorry)

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needsomeperspective · 24/04/2012 08:18

I want to write this all down so that I can get some perspective on my marriage. I feel so tangled up in my mind I just don't know what is reasonable or not anymore.

My husband and I have been married 3 years, together 4, and are in our mid / late 30s. We have 2 small children. I work full time, my husband stays at home with the children - this is purely down to financial pragmatism.

There are a number of issues in our marriage which I am finding difficult to handle.

Top of the list is my husband's moods and anger. There was a time when DH and I used to have a laugh together although he has never been easy going, always a worrier and always had anger issues. When we first got together he would fly into irrational rages induced by jealousy, percieved criticism, general "stress" etc. This rage sometimes got to the point of physical aggression (grabbing, choking, hair pulling, screaming inches from face etc.) although he has never hit me or actually caused me physical pain - just fear.

He was prescribed anti-anxiety meds 3 years ago which helped hugely with this issue and it only tended to re-emerge when he was extremely drunk or when he missed his pills for a couple of days. Still not ideal, but I could live with it. However, he came off his anti-anxiety medication at the New Year which correlates with the decline in his mental state. Over the last few months his moodiness and misery have re-emerged and he has become increasingly difficult to live with. He is short tempered, never seems happy, tuts and sighs at pretty much everything I do and we never seem to enjoy ourselves. I would LOVE to go for just one single day with him being consistently happy, cordial and engaging. It seems like forever since that happened.

I also DREAD him going out drinking (which to be fair happens very seldom now) because I'm scared of what state / mood he will be in when he comes home. He has a hair trigger and I have to be very careful not to set him off if I speak to him when he comes in after a night out. He also tends to get himself so obliterated that he loses keys / phone / wallet / can't find his way home / gets into fights / rings the doorbell / rings the home phone and wakes the babies. We have fought about this issue for our whole relationship but the only change he has made is to go out less often - he seems to be incapable of moderating his alcohol intake when he does go out. The last time this happened I abaolutely lost it and told him I couldn't take this any more and I wanted him to leave and could he move to the spare room. Cue 3 days of stonewalling from him before I broke down and apologised to HIM for what I'd said. No apology from him to me for anything.

I appreciate that he is very stressed being stuck at home with the babies all the time, plus we have financial worries and my job situation is insecure.

He has said he "didn't imagine his life would be like this" and I think in many ways regrets that we have the children (although he loves them to bits) and that our lifestyle is so confined and child-centric. He has said that he often wishes we could just be the two of us again, but I can't change things back now can I?!

Another issue is our sex life. We tend to have sex quite infrequently - once every 2 weeks or so on average. Occasionally more, sometimes less. I would have sex every day if I could, I crave the intimacy of our early years when I felt close to him and sex is the only thing right now which even comes close to bringing back that illusion for me. He however has said that he has a low sex drive and will never want it as much as I do. So we compromise. Or rather I just wait for him to initiate it - which isn't often. When we do have sex it is usually pretty perfunctory - rarely any kissing or touching outside of the obvious areas and no real feeling of intimacy or joy between us. I get the very strong feeling he only does it to keep me from getting too unhappy and to stave off a row not because he actually has any desire for me at all.

I shall add here that I have put on a good deal of weight with the babies which I am now trying to lose. He has never once complained about my weight or body and has told me he loves me for ME and doesn't care what I weigh. But equally when I confessed to him how much I am struggling to come to terms with my post-baby body he said and did nothing to reassure me. He never looks at and rarely touches my body which makes me want to hide it. I should add that he also has gained weight and feels very insecure about himself physically (he used to play a lot of sports competitively and was in excellent shape so notices a real difference in himself). He is extremely good looking but considers himself to be physically unattractive - this is just part of a much deeper lack of self-confidence and self-esteem.

I do not feel loved and supported right now and am struggling to communicate with my H about the changes I feel we need to make. He usually takes any such discussion as deeply offensive personal criticism and will consequently sulk, stonewall, speak angrily ("everything is all my fault again I see") or even fly into a rage despite my pleas to hold a reasonable constructive conversation. I want him to go back to the doctor and maybe try some different meds to see if they can iron out some of the unwelcome side effects of his previous pills (lethargy, tiredness, lack of libido). He says he will but still hasn't made an appointment - his reasons are he is worried we can't afford it or the babies have been too demanding for him to make a phone call. If I remind him he makes me feel like I am nagging / hounding him relentlessly.

Where do I go from here? Joint counselling?

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OldernotWiser47 · 27/04/2012 14:33

Hi, Need - I have followed this thread from the start in dribs and drabs.
I have lived for many years with a man that had bipolar disorder (well, schizo-affective, but near enough...), so I know a thing or two about living with depression/ mental illness. So do my children (unfortunatly). I'm also a highly educated professional.
If your DH can't see he is depressed, then he has "lack of insight", a sign of serious MH problem. Because of this, they seem to every now and again think they are "cured" and come off the drugs. My dp did that regularly- cue disaster, every time, but he never seemed to learn/ be able to predict the outcome, and when then really ill, would say things like "this is how I am/ how it's going to be forever, what's the point in taking Meds " etc, so I know your situation. Every time, he responded less well to treatment. Later on, htere would be comments like " you all just want me on meds to control me".
He was NASTY when not medicated- to me, to the children. The older they became, the worse it got- was sort of ok while they were small enough to not have much say for themselves, but from pre-teen, oh dear.
We had a late comer, now 5. He really went off the rails then. It seemed to become better intermittently with treatment, and he did seem capable of looking after the little one- he clearly was unable to work, so became SAHD, with DS supposedly going to nursery 4 mornings a week, so he would have had him 3 afternoons on his own. He could not cope with it at all. My DDs ( at the time 10 and 13) kept a lot from me. After we split they have been talking about it in dribs and drabs. It appears he would start feeding the baby, then get frustrated (as you do!), shout, and walk away leaving DS in his highchair- my daughters would finish feeding him, change him etc. DD1 left for sec school at 7.30, but DD2 (10) in bad depression phases got herself up, dressed and fed, then her little brother up, changed, dressed and fed, then forced DP out of bed to take her to school (no choice, village school only accessible by car from where we live), put DS in car etc. She was 10! He then took her to school, and should have dropped DS at nursery on way back, but often could not be bothered, so took him home again. And he was certainly not interacting or stimulating with him, not even nice.

We split when DS was 2y6m, 3 yrs ago. He still has S+L delay and behavioural problems. DD1 in in counselling, DD2 seems to have dealt the best, but the anger she displayed at home towards me was something else for a while...

OldernotWiser47 · 27/04/2012 14:40

As for Medication- Zoloft (Sertraline) is a lot less strong then Cipralex (Escitalopram).Just as an aside.

Cipralex really REALLY should not be mixed with alcohol- bad bad idea, it potentiates the alcohol and has all sorts of bad interaction, up to sudden collapse.

Virtually every Antidepressant known to mankind comes with effects on the libido, Sertraline is no exception

needsomeperspective · 29/04/2012 12:42

Well I'm back having had a very good weekend with him.

He does seem to be making a massive effort and I think what he read on this thread really hit home. Whether the meds have already starting working to a degree I don't know but he also seems MUCH less angry and irritable - and he wasn't able to "pretend" to be fine beforehand so I think the lessening of his moodiness is a genuine feeling not contrived.

He has been much more relaxed this weekend and when we went out with friends he was able to drink sensibly and didn't end up with that borderline "could turn nasty in a second" side to him which he sometimes gets. It's interesting what you say about mixing alcohol with cipralex Oldernotwiser because he did used to be horribly unpredictable when he did that. When not drinking he was fine.

The list of positives basically outline what he is like when a. medicated and b. sober. The negatives are what he is like unmedicated, under extreme stress (like the past few months) and / or drunk.

One good thing has happened anyway, the lady we interviewed for a Nanny role has provided us with absolutely glowing references from her previous employers which is reassuring and she has accepted our offer of employment. She will start in July. That is a weight off my mind and I think is definitely the right thing to do.

Captainmummy, I think you are right about the isolation - I keep telling him he should take the kids along to the Mummy and Baby groups but his anxiety extends to social situations and the idea of being the only dad in a room full of gossiping women fills him with horror (I think most men would feel the same actually!). At least if we have our Nanny when he is not away working he can drop her off with the babies to playgroups and it will give him some time to do the domestic admin he needs to sort out and let the children socialise more which my eldest really needs now.

Another psoitive is that he doesn't seem to be getting any side effects from the Zoloft so far excpet extreme fatigue the first day or 2 he was taking it and his libido actually seems to have improved with the lessening of his anxiety. He made a big effort in that department this weekend as well. Him stopping taking his pills hasn't been a habit - its only been this once he tried it. It clearly didn;t work out so I hope he will be comfortable sticking to his meds long term now. Usefully the zoloft is a lot cheaper than the combination of cipralex, wellbutrin and the occasional xanax he was taking before.

It has been months since things have been this good so I don't think its part of a short term cycling for him. Only time will tell if this will last of course. I really am hopeful though that if he can get his meds right, he can start working again and maybe feel more autonomous it will build his self-esteem and he will begin to feel better. I certainly feel better anyway.

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gafhyb · 29/04/2012 16:27

Glad you are feeling better. I really hope he can stick to this.

empirestateofmind · 30/04/2012 02:28

Glad you are feeling better OP.

Sympathies to you older- you have had a dreadful time and it doesn't look like it's getting easier anytime soon.

needsomeperspective · 30/04/2012 09:47

I know my H interacts with the children because he shows me the "tricks" he has taught my eldest when I get back from work (fitting shapes in the right holes, new words, drawings / scribbles that sort of thing). So it's not that he is just ignoring them.

He continues to be much, much less aggressive and irritable. Its like having my "real" husband back and I'm SO relieved.

Will update this thread if anything negative happens or we have a downswing. And every week or so to record positive momentum too.

Fingers crossed.

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NicknameTaken · 30/04/2012 11:37

I'm glad you're still on the thread. It's good to keep touching base. Hope things continue to go well.

gafhyb · 30/04/2012 16:43

I also have fingers crossed

I just wanted to add that I was not concerned about him ignoring the children - more about him reacting with excessive anger when stressed or challenged.

needsomeperspective · 07/05/2012 10:22

Just a brief update for those who were kind enough to offer advice and contribute to this thread:

All continues to be extremely good. DH seems to have taken to the Zoloft very well and says the side effects are much less annoying than the Cipralex. His mood is relaxed, he is playful with me and the children, he has stopped shouting at the dog, hasn't lost his temper since he got back on his pills. Our sex life is much improved with his lowered anxiety and the meds don't seem to impact that side of things negatively.

He seems brighter, happier and more motivated. He isn't snappy any more and is actively enjoying our children and time we are spending together.

He is happy to continue on the Zoloft indefinitely as it is as effective as the Cipralex with fewer negative effects.

It is SO good to get my happy husband back again. And my own anxiety and low feelings have improved consequently.

I shall give it another 2 weeks or so and let you know if the improvement is sustained.

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gafhyb · 07/05/2012 18:51

Great news!

Thanks for keeping us posted. I know what dramatically good effects the right meds can have. Long may it continue

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