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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Staying Springy In Their Quest For Sobriety.

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Mouseface · 16/04/2012 12:32

Hello, I'm Mouse Smile I have an shockingly abusive relationship with alcohol, mainly vodka.

This Bus is full of drinkers, non-drinkers, thinkers and Babes, all trying to find their way to a happy, sober life.

Some are there, some are almost there and some are not. It really doesn't matter, we're all in this together.

Why not find a seat? Everyone is welcome, drinking or drunk, come and say hello. Smile

HERE is the previous thread, with a link to all of the other wonderful journeys so far............

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jesuswhatnext · 24/04/2012 12:16

well, i started the day with soft cream and jam doughnut that was in the fridge Blush it was soft and cold and quite nice on the gums! Grin

jesuswhatnext · 24/04/2012 12:17

oops! sorry, post a bit quick!

LOVELY to see you back TBOM! Grin

aliasjoey · 24/04/2012 12:28

grehound yeah we tie ourselves up in knots over what and when to buy don't we?!

I only buy little bottles because I feel like 500ml is my maximum. And if I had any more in the house, I WOULD end up drinking it.

So that's 2x18.5 ml or 2x25ml or 1x 500ml. Only Waitrose, M&S and Sainsburys do this size - well the mini-Tescos near me does little ones but they are Chardonnay which I don't like.

As venus pointed out, it's bloody hard work.

Hopefullyrecovering · 24/04/2012 12:28

I am drinking a glass of wine. Lunchtime drinking. Never do it midweek normally. This is because I am in a towering grump. I went to have my second ECG. The lab technician gave it to me in an unsealed envelope, to return it to the clinic on Friday. So naturally (and stupidly) I opened the thing.

My ticker has always been fine - have annual medicals at work. Today at the top it said "ABNORMAL ECG". It said that twice. Then it said something about an "Anterior infarct". So now I am stupidly worried about just how much damage I have done to myself by drinking.

I am trying to resist googling myself into a state of terror. But what really had kept me going was the idea that I was going to be prescribed Antabuse to stop drinking. Now, with this abnormal ECG stuff, I don't think they will.

Gah and double gah.

jesuswhatnext · 24/04/2012 12:36

what do you want us to say Hopefully? you are worried about the damage you have caused to yourself by drinking so you got in a grump and poured a drink? Confused do you REALLY want to stop drinking or do you just want excuses to carry on?

i know that sounds harsh but really, if you are that worried what on earth are you doing? go and pour it away!

Mouseface · 24/04/2012 12:51

HR - firstly, don't worry. I had exactly the same when I went through a series of tests to discover why I was blacking out sober.

I had 5 ECGs all in two weekly blocks. The 3rd said abnormal like your's and I was retested two weeks later, and then two after that.

I do have a slightly irregular heartbeat but NOTHING at all to worry about. I also have very low blood pressure, and being on Citalopram affected my heart beat too.

Can you call and ask what they meant by it?

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TheBossofMe · 24/04/2012 12:53

Hello mouse and jwn. Nice to be back.

I find if I start the day with protein, I eat much better for the rest of the day. Carbs on the other hand, fine at lunch, not good for me at breakfast, I end up ravenous and eating everything in sight.

Fave breakfast is scrambled eggs on Marmite toast. Yum.

hopefully put the drink down darling. Call the clinic and see if you can see the doctor before Friday instead.

Mouseface · 24/04/2012 12:55

And what JWN said.

Last night I didn't have a drop of wine. I can't have alcohol on the diet, and definitely no wine due to the sugars.

I wasn't going to say I hadn't had anything last night because I had planned to.... silly old Mouse that I am.

So I guess it's day 1 for me. Smile

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Mouseface · 24/04/2012 13:03

Omelettes with mushroom, bacon (fat off) and 10g of cheddar on top are this week's breakfast Boss Smile

Grilled fish, prawns and chicken (skinless) with salads for lunches, alternating the 'meats'

Dinner is pork steaks, salad or green veg, chicken breast, or home made beef burger and salad.

Sugar free sweets with zero carbs for that after dinner sugar pang.

8 x 250ml glass of water too.

General exercise, no need to go mad if I'm not putting as much fuel in, and I'd love a diet buddy if anyone's interested?

Start weight 11st 2lbs yesterday.

I will be slim for Nemo's Baptism. Smile

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helpyourself · 24/04/2012 13:12

Hopefully There is no magic bullet to stop you drinking. You have to find it in yourself- fwiw I'm really glad I never went down the Antabuse route- because one day that crutch would be swiped away- a health scare, the pharmacist running out, any number of reasons would mean that one day that support would not be there and I would be left on my own with no resources.

Look at this ECG as a blessing in disguise. You have to stop drinking without a chemical crutch. Not alone, there's this bus and AA to support you, but you have to stop looking for something outside to happen to you and make that decision.

venusandmars · 24/04/2012 13:34

mouse I'll be your buddy Smile I seem to have turned in to frumpy, dumpy, middle aged woman Sad Plus I'm an apple shape (nice, neat little bottom - isindie look away now) but a big round tummy. Add to that an 'S-shaped' posture which curves my mid-back in and my tummy out, and you get the picture. Plus, plus, plus, I really hate exercise.

So, my first reaction was 'oh I'll join mouse, but I've got an event on Friday for which I'm making Indian food.... so maybe I'll join after that'. Well guess what that thinking reminded me of... yup, the whole 'I'll stop drinking but not this week'. So. Now. Instead of pakora, popadoms, samosas etc I'm planning alternative low carb indian food. Mouse can you tell me what you think of this: chicken satay; spicy shrimp salad; halloumi cheese / peas / tomato curry; lamb and spinach curry; coconut curried veg; with carb thingsy's like rice and naan that others can have.

Carrots and coconut I was wondering about in particular. And tomotoes (do they have a lot of sugar in them?)

Errr .... do I actually have to weigh myself [shudder]? And do I have to post it on here [big enough shudder that thurso in south of england-shire can feel it]

NonAstemia · 24/04/2012 13:34

Thank you for all the advice. I should have just posted on here to start with, but I didn't want to derail the thread with a totally unrelated topic.

Wise words as ever venus, thanks. That's the thing isn't it - these images are everywhere now, of sex, violence, war, cruelty. With the advent of the internet, 24 hr news channels, ubiquitous media images, it just seems so much more full on and unavoidable than a few decades ago. We seem to have become desensitized to seeing it, hearing about it etc. I want DD to have a few years yet before she realises what a sad and cruel place the world can be, and the full range of horrors that humans choose to inflict upon one another. Sad I feel like the pressures on children snd young people today are immense, and I'd like to protect her from it for a bit longer if I can. That makes it sound as though I wrap her in cotton wool but I really don't - I'm very open and honest with her about things and I never sugar-coat it if she asks me something. My parents think I tell her too much, especially my DstepF who doesn't think sex education should be done at all yet! Grin But to me it's natural to tell her how her body works and always has been.

Anyway I had the talk with her. She's still so innocent, bless her - she could relate to me all the biology of conception and has absorbed that sex means when the man puts his penis inside the woman to deliver the sperm to the egg, but couldn't think of any earthly reason why people would want to have sex if they didn't want to make a baby! Grin Grin We established that people have sex when they want to feel very close and intimate with the person that they love, and that that is the case with heterosexual and homosexual relationships, which led to a discussion about how gay couples have children when,as DD sagely pointed out 'they're missing some of the equipment'. I explained about various options for that and she said 'if the ladies' friend gives them his sperm, does he have to put it in a jar? How would he get it in?' I told her that the sperm all comes out at once and she said 'like starlings'. Shock Grin turns out she was thinking of the little sperm all swimming up to the fallopian tubes like a flock of starlings weaving and diving through the sky at sunset. Much more romantic a notion than the reality. Grin

We had a long rambling talk/biology lesson that ranged from the changes to the body at puberty (she found it great fun drawing body hair and features onto some pictures) through periods and why we bleed, through evolutionary stuff (periods are really inconvenient, why wasn't this a problem for cave women?) and our innate animal urge to reproduce, through what hormones are, why our society is so obsessed with sex and sexuality. Talked in general terms about porn and that whilst it's natural to like looking at the naked form because it's beautiful, some porn shows some really unpleasant things and attitudes, and shows things that are demeaning to women. DD then said 'well I think it isn't very nice or good for the men in it either!' - so that told me. Grin

Talked abiut internet safety, how it's very important that she never accept anyone telling her to keep something a secret from me 'except if it's about your christmas present mummy' and that she can always ask me anything she's not sure of especially as children often get the facts a bit muddled. She was a bit giggly and embarrassed to tell me what things she's been talking about with the girls, but it certainly wasn't porn so that's ok. I told her it's fine and natural to have private chats with her friends, but to know that she can tell me if anything makes her uncomfortable or she wants to know anything.

Phew, well that's done then - I feel better now, as I was worrying about what to tell her so that she's informed but not overloaded with inappropriate information. It's a hard balance to strike, isn't it, and what feels appropriate for one family might not be for another. I overheard her a while ago telling one of the girls in question (who is a very determined tomboy - shuns anything remotely girly and wears boy's clothes) 'you know, DFriend, when you grow up if you still want to be a boy then there's an operation you can have. My mum knows someone who did that.' DFriend thought about this for a while and said 'nah... I think I'll just stay like this' and that was it. I thought that showed empathy and consideration on DD's part, but i'm sure some parents would have been shocked.

Anyway enough of my rambling, sorry for such an epic post. Thanks again for the good advice and, as always, wonderful support. boss don't be admiring my parenting skills - I'm flying by the seat of my pants and hoping for the best! kirsty she loves the loft room - she's absolutely thrilled. Smile

Hope all your days are going well today lovely wise babes x

NonAstemia · 24/04/2012 13:36

Bloody hell that really is an epic post, and thread has moved on in meantime. Sorry guys. Blush

KirstyWirsty · 24/04/2012 13:43

Mia I think that sounds like a fantastic discussion

I am a great believer in if they can ask the question they can get the answer (albeit tailored to their understanding but never lies)

Glad you daughter loves the room - I read back and saw that she was delighted ..top mum all round Grin

NonAstemia · 24/04/2012 13:43

hopefully I understand that you're shocked but go and pour the wine away now! Just because it's abnormal today doesn't mean it will be tomorrow, or the next day. Phone them up for goodness sake, or you'll worry yourself into a proper pickle. Wink

Mouse I couldn't do the atkins I don't think, (did years ago though) but I do eat low GI as much as possible. when I can summon the willpower Boss I've got a lovely low GI fish curry recipe if you'd like it.

TheBossofMe · 24/04/2012 13:51

mia yes please. And amazing talk with your dd. I had a talk today about dragons!

Cauliflower rice is my diet secret. Basically grate a cauliflower, use a processor to make it easier, microwave for 3 mins and hey presto a great rice substitute. Means I can still eat curries and stuff with far fewer calories.

Also I use myfitnesspal.com to log all food and exercise.

And I run. 4km a day. Every day without fail. I love running, it makes me feel so free.

aliasjoey · 24/04/2012 13:52

mia that is a fantastic discussion you had with your daughter! How old is she?

I've talked to my kids about the physical parts (some of it anyway) but get quite stuck talking about emotions, and as for porn I wouldn't know where to start. My mum just gave me a book to read.

Mouseface · 24/04/2012 14:01

venus - have a look at these two......

THE ATKINS ONE

AND THIS ONE

I use them both to guide me, let me look at your meal plan, back in a mo gorgeous lady...... you sound a fab shape. All womanly as we should be and if you want to slim down a bit, reducing your carbs is the fastest way. Well, unless you stop eating. xx

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Mouseface · 24/04/2012 14:07

Boss - meeee toooo. My fitness thingy that is. Smile

I'm looking to lose about 1 1/2 stone. Hmm

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venusandmars · 24/04/2012 14:07

tbom I was just about to admire your post, until I saw that you 'run'. JEESUS! What is it with you running women Grin I just hate anything that makes me feel hot and uncomfortable and tired and breathless and sweaty (so just tantric sex then??? ) Grin

venusandmars · 24/04/2012 14:09

mia you fab, fab mum Smile. That's the kind of thing that is needed for people (female and male) to grow up and develop a healthy attitude to sex.

TheBossofMe · 24/04/2012 14:12

venus it's a struggle at 6 am, but I always feel better afterwards. I'm crap at most other forms of exercise, can't swim very well, am a wimp on a bike and hate ball games apart from tennis. But running, that I can do. Albeit v slowly. I think a marathon would take me about 6 hours!

NonAstemia · 24/04/2012 14:18

Thank you! Grin

Mouseface · 24/04/2012 14:24

Mia - I had the chat with DD when she was about 10 or 11. I got her the Usborne Facts Of Life.
Hang on.....

There's THERE'S THIS ONE

OR

THIS ONE

I found giving it to her and then her asking me about anything was great. I was pregnant with Nemo when I got it so she was able to follow my progress. Smile

BTW, I think you have a fantastic relationship with your DD, hold onto it for as long as you can xx

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aliasjoey · 24/04/2012 14:29

mia you should be glowing with pride. Your daughter will feel comfortable being able to ask you anything in the future.

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