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Why don't my parents help us when we are on the brink of losing everything, but give my sister obscene amounts of money?

157 replies

Changeforthebad · 08/04/2012 15:25

Dh lost his job. He is struggling to find a new one. We have a 6 year old and a 4 month old.

We are living off my maternity allowance.it ends in July.

My parents are millionaires, but divorced. They have offered us nothing.not practically or emotionally.

My sister has just asked for £150k to embark on her 3rd career choice (they paid for the other courses too)

They will give it to her

I'm finding it hard to get out of bed. Our baby is on her last nappy pack. I dont know what will happen after this.

There has been so many times these past 8 years when she has gotten huge amounts of money. I always just let it slide for the sake of peace. Even when they stood back the first time round when we both lost our jobs. Even when I got evicted.

But now feels the final straw. We are our our knees a left to struggle.

I know I am greedy and nasty

But I feel despair

I feel like I want to cut my family out of my life. I take it anymore. They are standing back letting their grandchildren suffer. My sister gets a life changing amount of money.

I feel so low.

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EightiesEasterChick · 08/04/2012 21:58

I would go and ask in person. Don't do it over the phone, it's so much easier to say no to someone who is not standing in front of you.

Since she likes you nice, I would go along and be nice for a bit (as long as you can stand) and then say, 'Mum, we would really benefit from a loan. Could you lend us X, please?' No mention of your sister.

The idea about presenting it to them as a new business idea is an interesting one. I don't know if they would buy it if they know the situation as it stands.

I would seriously consider cutting them off altogether, though, if they're prepared to stand back and see you go under. I don't think it is greedy or nasty to hope for help from wealthy parents when the family breadwinner has lost their job in a very, very harsh economy. And for all the posters saying 'what if you had no parents..?' etc, that's all nice philosophical speculation, but this is the OP's situation and in that situation I think she is in no way unreasonable to think her parents could help her and their grandchildren.

ancienregime · 09/04/2012 04:34

You need to write down some specific comparisons about how they treat you compared to your sister (going back as far as you can, you've already cited an instance). And you need to go through as much of it as you can with them and ask them v directly why you and your sister are not treated equally by them. Basically you don't know and if nothing else you deserve an explanation for their behaviour. It's not going to be easy of course, but you need to know what the hell is going on in the heads of these people. If they somehow see sense, great, if they don't, then you need to decide if you can carry on with your relationship with them. If they're divorced, who would you choose to speak to first if you decided to do this?

ilikecandyandrunning · 09/04/2012 06:33

Agree with ancienregime - confront them. If I'm a millionaire one day I will be so happy to help my kids out! They sound horrible and you need to confront them directly. They absolutely should help you. Please update us x

brettgirl2 · 09/04/2012 07:25

I'd help my parents out if they were desperate Hell and hope they would do the same. Jeez its only money after all.

Longtalljosie · 09/04/2012 07:39

Look - I think you have one shot at this. They won't change their ways, but hopefully they won't let you become homeless either. How much do you need to right everything, and buy yourself some breathing space? £30k? Go and see them, and ask for it. Baldly. Say things really are desperate, and you wouldn't ask otherwise, but you don't want your children to become homeless. Don't initially ask for a loan - why should you have the extra stress of paying it back when they've just given your sister 5x that amount. Steel yourself and ask - and ask in a confident way which implies you expect a yes. Do it for your children, if not for yourself.

NapaCab · 09/04/2012 08:26

Is there a chance that your parents see you as the one who always just copes and gets on with things while your sister is more vulnerable incompetent? This is kind of the situation in my family. My parents did everything to get my elder brother and sister jobs and training. When they lost their jobs, they could stay at home for free, not even contributing to my parents' costs.

For me, on the other hand, there was always the expectation that I would just cope and find my own way, which I've always done. When I was growing up, it was more a pressure I put on myself because my sister and brother could never cope with life and were always having crises of some kind or another so I never felt there was any spare capacity in the family. I HAD to cope because everyone else was such a mess.

Now I think my parents have just come to expect it of me. I'm the one who never has problems (even though I do but I've learned not to expect support from them).

Is this maybe the situation you have with your sister? Has she had a lot of problems in life, gone off the rails at some point or had mental or general health issues? If so, maybe they just think 'oh well, Change will cope somehow, she always does, but ChangeSis is such a mess, we don't want her going off the rails again so let's get her set up in business'. Are you the strong, silent type who struggles to show vulnerability or ask for help? If so, your parents' behavior is a kind of reverse complement but equally shows that you need to tell your parents that this time you're not coping and you need some help for a change.

Lizzabadger · 09/04/2012 08:57

It doesn't sound like favouritism to me. It sounds like they are prepared to fund studying for both of you (they paid your rent when you were a student, they are paying for your sister's course) but that they don't believe it's helpful to let their children lean on them for day-to-day living.

You do sound low in mood and it may be a good idea to go to the GP. Otherwise make sure you get all the benefits to which you are entitled.

Maybe longer-term you could revisit the nursing course in the future as this is likely to result in a more stable income than running your own business.

ivanapoo · 09/04/2012 11:33

IME I've seen parents favour siblings who are a) more "difficult" b) single and c) stay in touch more often. Does your sister fit these categories? Maybe they feel bad/guilty that your sis doesn't have a family of her own?

In the short term can you borrow some £ from a friend or relative/sell your 2nd car (not saying you have one)/ pause on paying debts if allowed/pay interest only mortgage/move somewhere more cheap/take on a lodger, anything to improve cash flow?

Unfortunately, your parents aren't obliged to help you out (even though it seems v mean) and it's not your sisters fault if they favour her (even though it seems v unfair). If your parents/sister didn't exist, what would your options be then?

meandmyfour · 09/04/2012 12:31

Changeforthebad, I just wanted to say that I really, really feel for you. I am actually in a similar situation to your sister and my sister feels very, very excluded. I am a single parent of four and had cancer a couple of years ago and as result my father has stepped in and helps me enourmously - none of it for frivilous stuff, I hasten to add - I haven't had a holiday in five years, it's help with rent, child care etc. I feel terribly guilty that I need his help so much but what makes it harder is that he doesn't help my sister at all. He loves her but resents her partner hugely for not providing properly, he works a little but my sister shoulders all of the financial strain. i wish so much that things felt fairer and I try to steer my father towards helping her more but he won't. I know he's helping me because I'm on my own but i long to be able to stand on my own two feet properly. I suppose I just wanted to send my best to you - I'm not surprised you question their love for you. It's shocked me over the last couple of years, how much damage money can do to families...my sister and I are very close but I feel that there is a time bomb ticking away and if things aren't made fair in the future it could be very damaging to our relationship.
Best wishes

WibblyBibble · 09/04/2012 12:35

They sound like horrible, selfish people. Of course they aren't 'obliged' to help you as an adult but they clearly could and choose not to, so I think what I would be doing is writing to them to say that as they choose not to act like grandparents in terms of responsibility, they will also lose their 'rights' and will no longer see you or your children. Effectively cutting them off permanently, for the sake of your mental health. You can get through this yourself, if you lose your home you can move to rented housing, and it's true that lots of people do this but then most of us don't have millionaire parents who are just sitting on wads of cash while looking down their noses at our problems. Just as they aren't obliged to help you as an adult child, you aren't obliged to allow them to be part of your own family now that you have one, and it sounds like they aren't trying to earn the privilege of contact with you, so revoke it. That's really all you can do.

Rezolution · 09/04/2012 14:26

Change How are you today? Sorry about the dreary weather. How are the DC's? Have you spoken to anyone yet? Not being nosey but just a bit Sad for you. Let us know on here how you are feeling.

Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 15:06

Sorry for delay

Spoke to father as people suggested

He went balistic, very very angry

He says I have a house and children and sister has nothing so we are not comparable

He then said he was going to employ someone to do DIY around house but if dh will undercut him then to less than £10 ph there will be two week work to see us through for a bit

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Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 15:06

Can't get hold of my mother

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NeverEverSometimes · 10/04/2012 15:09

Nice guys. What do SS say about your situation? Cqn you take in a lodger?

Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 15:14

What is ss? Sorry very foggy today, it's probably obvious

We only have a tiny house, the third bedroom is just a box room. I suppose we could make the two girls share.

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Heswall · 10/04/2012 15:17

Who would want to lodge with a family with two children in it ? I wouldn't have when I was single and god knows who you could end up with, you can't CRB check a lodger I wouldn't have thought.

Heswall · 10/04/2012 15:17

SS = social services

mummylin2495 · 10/04/2012 15:26

mention that maybe you would end up needing somewhere else to live if you lose your home and would she be willing to house your family.My guess is that she would soon come up trumps to help you financially rather than have you all in her house.I do not understand parents who could sit by and see their children struggle if they are in a position to help.

Rezolution · 10/04/2012 15:28

Change Sorry to hear your news about his reaction. Sounds like he is kind of punishing you for being hard up? Well, maybe take up his offer? Or try Social Services first.
Have you been to the GP yet? Try to do what is best for yourself and DCs. If you were feeling more like yourself you would cope with all the other stuff a bit better. Thanks

Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 15:37

I can't see anyone wanting to lodge in a tiny new build with a family either. It's cramped enough.

I dont understand what social services will do?

Dh has taken up the offer.

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Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 15:37

Thank you for flowers Rez x

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catsmother · 10/04/2012 15:57

I'm sorry your father was so horrid. Probably not a huge surprise to you, but extremely hurtful all the same. Yes - you have children, and therefore, arguably, you're in more genuine need of help than someone who has no dependents and who's in the very fortunate position of embarking (so you say) on yet another career direction, courtesy of the bank of Mum & Dad. In any case ... you referred back to when the pair of you were children yourselves, and she was still favoured even then, so his current argument really doesn't hold water at all. It's very very mean and I don't know if you'll ever get to the bottom of it .... I despise parents who treat their children differently. Okay ... there are times when it is necessary to treat kids differently, but overall, it should be a swings and roundabouts situation, where no one child benefits more than the others (unless there are genuinely extenuating reasons such as one off emergencies, sudden serious illness etc).

I agree that in an ideal world, adult children should sort their own problems out. Just as, in an ideal world, parents should have had the foresight (and actual ability) to plan for a comfortable old age. But real life isn't always kind - regardless of how hard you work, how nice you are, or how much you try to make sensible plans and for me, the bottom line is that when someone who you should - in theory - care for, is in trouble, you do what you can to help them out. Works both ways. Obviously, with the best will in the world, not everyone can solve all their nearest and dearest's problems, though even being there with a sympathetic ear can go a long way. However, in this case, the OP's parents do appear to be in a very enviable position and are able to help her should they want to .... and that's the horrid reality, they don't seem to want to, and aren't prepared to explain why. That in itself would be hard to accept even if the OP had no siblings, or, if her sister was also treated in the same way - i.e. no financial help .... but the fact the sister is given (so the OP says) "huge" sums of money (and the only sum she's actually disclosed to us of £150k is pretty significant by most people's reckoning) must feel gutting. Sounds to me like the younger daughter is playing at life - flitting about from course to course with no real idea of what she wants to do - nor any real incentive to buckle down and sort herself out because she knows mummy and daddy will pay up when asked, thereby cushioning her from the real world.

Meanwhile, the OP's dad (offer of work - possibly on the cheap and less than fair going rate depending on what needs doing !!! (which is pretty disgusting) - notwithstanding) sees no hypocrisy or favouritism in paying his younger single daughter's living costs while she sets up a new venture (about which, presumably, there's no guarantee of success and potentially it could be money down the drain) whilst his older daughter and grandchildren are in danger of losing their home. The total and vast disparity between the two respective situations is gobsmacking and I feel so terribly sorry for the OP ... both for all her understandable and genuine worries, and for the fact her parents are so cold. All the arguments about adults standing on their own two feet, parents spending their money as they wish blah blah blah really don't apply when you have another perfectly able bodied adult child being treated totally differently. I couldn't live with myself if my child was in real danger of losing their home, or even struggling to buy food, while I had the sort of available money the OP's parents do. And I couldn't bear to insult my older child's intelligence by suggesting that their younger, single and childless, sibling was somehow in more "need" (as per the circumstances described).

I really hope your mum is more sympathetic OP.

StealthPolarBear · 10/04/2012 15:59

What a horrible man. You say your dh has taken up the offer, it sounds like your dcs have a fantastic father and mother.

Rezolution · 10/04/2012 16:00

Change It is a shame that your DH has to work for him like this. But look on the bright side, this could bring in some other work maybe? Would your father have any contacts who could employ DH on a more permanent basis? Hang on in there!

Changeforthebad · 10/04/2012 16:20

Thank you so much for your post cats mother, It does articulate well how I feel.

Another thing my dad said which keeps getting to me was that I "should stop moping around".

Yes, I would love to be happy in the face of adversity, but the real stinger is over the past 3 years since the divorce everytime I have seen my dad he has used me like a counsellor to talk relentlessly about how much he hates my mum. Constantly, the same conversation over and over and over.

At first, i felt sorry for him so u listened but after 18 months or so,I couldn't deal with as I was suffering from stress myself, and I kept asking him to stop bringing these topics up as I couldn't deal with it anymore. He wouldn't listen so dh asked and he only just learnt to stop.

My sister on the other hand told him not to mention problems around her so remained unburnded.

Now he treats me like a loser for not being positive, despite him unloading all his problems onto me

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