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Just had the biggest fight with DH... he hit me, I hit him...

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namechangeforthis100 · 04/04/2012 00:57

I've spent the whole of yesterday at the hospital... quite a long time after a miscarriage it turns out (joy) I've got an infection. I'm in agony. I feel shit. All my friends are pregnant.. I'm just having a very shit time.

I decided to get stuff organised.. sort of nights out etc to keep us busy and tonight we went out with about 10 of our best friends for a meal (a lot are shift workers from our hey day hence the tuesday random night)...

I have been in quite a lot of pain and on painkillers... but was without and just slowly drinking wine this evening.. The night went great and we all agreed to meet again next week.

We got in the car (DH driving) and she started to go MAD. Apparently during a conversation I had dictated when he could go out and come back (with an old friend) and I hadn't! I know the conversation he's talking about. They were taking the piss saying I would and I was laughing... but I didn't say a word. And all the home he called me vile, drunk, a bitch etc.. (with our daughter in the back of the car who we just picked up from a sitter to bring home.)

We got in, put DD to bed and it escalated. He screamed at me, I proclaimed innocence, He pushed me, I tried to kick him. We ended up having a full out physical fight.

He left. I wrenched the keys out his hand and he stepped out the door.

I locked it.
Jesus christ.

What do I do now?? I'm already in pain. (now more. Have a perfect hand bruise on my chest.)

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Pancakeflipper · 04/04/2012 21:33

Lots of luck and one of those sneaky MN hugs. Hugely emotionally and physically knackering.

I cannot say what to do cos I don't know you, your husband and the history to your relationship but good luck. Hope it's calm at yours.

ll31 · 04/04/2012 21:37

"So you must think the op is completely wrong too.

How is that going to help her?"
So can you only post if you agree with op???how does that help anyone

NettleTea · 04/04/2012 21:37

I havent posted but I have been reading from the opening thread.
It is quite obvious to see that the OP's H has behaved terribly here, I dont think that anyone is in doubt about that.
Sadly, because the OP hit back 9which we may well say is in self defence, as he most probably didnt feel too intimidated or frightened by it) she has put herself into a place where she feels that she might partly be to blame.
Luckily she knows, and has had it confirmed by a friend, that she didnt say or do anything to provoke the kind of wrath that was unleashed on her - first verbally, and then when she stood her ground in denial, physically. And i am glad that she is still determined not to take the blame for that. i am assuming this is why the arguments have kept going on, and until this point the OP's H hasnt come home. he wont until she apologises, and with luck she will continue to stand her ground on this fact. Where that will leave her is any guess. It all depends on the H. Whether he can accept responsibility and admit there was a mistake, or whether he will try to say she was drunk, and that she doesnt remember. He obviously has a problem with her enjoying herself while he has to hold back as it is his turn to drive. he already called her a drunk in the car on the way home.
OP says they have some big arguments in the past, but not physical. She says he didnt want her to be a sahm, so maybe he resents that, resents having to be responsible and look after her at his expense (both in regards to financially and not drinking so she can when its her turn) Perhaps the stress of the MC and the infection has taken its toll, along with seeing his friends living a carefree life. But we can only guess at that, as we do not know him, and we dont know what his reasons are for going off like that.
BUT as Hissy has said, violence HAS occurred, and its a shame that the OP has been begging as it has played right into his hands IF it turns out that he is an abuser who is just beginning to show his colours. I would have been tempted to speak to my brother, had I been the OP, to see how the conversation was going at that end of the table, to see whether the consensus was that it was playful jibbing, or whether things looked different from there. But the OPs H's refusal to even discuss anything, his OTT attacking and his childish removal from FB, etc really do wave a big red flag.
I am concerned about how this will play out if OP still stands her ground. She has said she wont accept the blame, so I dont really see how they will get past it if his behaviour continues. Whether she will back down if he looks like he is going to walk, as she does want to work it out. As Hissy said, she should be able to state that the violence will NEVER happen again. Thats really the only thing that needs stating. Who said what, who thought what, who did what, all falls by the wayside when there has been violence - thats really the only issue that should be up for discussion. There is no excuse, no blame, no 'you made me'. Just a big full stop and the knowledge from both people about what will happen if it is even threatened again.

EggyFucker · 04/04/2012 21:38

I think Op is completely wrong, yes

she thinks her husband is an "amazing man"

he isn't

what of it ?

sunshineandbooks · 04/04/2012 21:38

Please do not put words in my mouth.

I have said that to me there are red flags a flying everywhere and I suspect if I were a fly on the wall I would find other warning signs. I have also said that I am NOT the OP and she has the right to her own perception and to make her own decisions and that above all she should listen to her OWN instincts. The very same instincts that prompted her to start this thread in the first place because she knew this was a problem.

everlong · 04/04/2012 21:42

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sunshineandbooks · 04/04/2012 21:45

I think the OP is misguided. She is right with the facts as she sees them. That's doesn't mean she's right objectively. That's what this is all about - trying to offer her a different perception of her relationship that in the eyes of many of us is abusive.

mcmooncup · 04/04/2012 21:47

What actually is your point everlong - it's got lost now. What do you think the OP should do? And what do you think of her DH and his behaviour, both last night and today?

mcmooncup · 04/04/2012 21:48

And by the way, all of this is in no way a criticism of the OP, as I said in a previous post, it is very very very hard to see the true situation if you are deep in an abusive relationship. And someone saying they "love their DH" is no reflection either way as to whether it is abusive or not because of co-dependency, traumatic bonding etc. You can judge that only on the behaviour that is apparent. And the Op has described abusive behaviour. And I know that is hard to hear. But it happens to be true.

everlong · 04/04/2012 21:51

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ike1 · 04/04/2012 21:57

Yes since this morning....sigh...

mcmooncup · 04/04/2012 22:07

Your point seems to be that the DH's behaviour was bad, but op should not make a big deal of it...........is that right?

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realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 04/04/2012 22:09

He sounds very controlling. My exp used to criticise me when I had a drink (which was rare), and deliberately pick fights with me and blame me for them. Funnily enough I've never had a cross word with anyone else when I've had a drink.

everlong · 04/04/2012 22:10

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mcmooncup · 04/04/2012 22:27

Not sure what you mean by deflection, but yes, I just went back to one of your first posts this morning and you said:

threeleftfeet · 04/04/2012 22:29

namechange I wish I was more eloquent than I am. I wish I could show you what I've learnt!

I used to be like you. I am a good person, a strong woman with an enormous capacity to love. I also want to be loved.

In the past I found it very difficult to see clearly what was going on when my exP treated me badly. It took 15 years of mistreatment before I started to understand that I was part of the problem, in fact I was allowing this to happen to me.

Your DH has treated you very badly indeed. Is it really a one off, or indicative of something deeper? I'm strongly inclined to think it's his personality, but let's put that aside for now - just in case he is indeed a good man and this is a one-off

But actually I'm not as concerned with your partner's behaviour as with yours. I recognise it. I would have done the same with my ex. We were in love, I wanted it to work. I would be so worried when he disappeared (sometimes for days at a time). Even - perhaps especially - after an argument which had got out of hand. I understand that the first thing you wanted to say to him was "I love you, let's sort this out". I have been the same. I tried to make my ex see sense, I tried to help him and see how his behaviour was destructive to him and me (and i knew he loved me, so at the time I was sure what we had was worth fighting for).

But I was wrong to act in this way. I now see that the only correct response to someone hitting you (or doing anything which is over the line) is to end the relationship - or if you really want to give them another chance, then you have to draw a line which says this is absolutely unacceptable, do it again and it's finished. But the only way you can make this work is to genuinely be prepared to leave if it happens again, and make this clear. (And the best way to do this is to leave until they have apologised enough. But you've done the opposite.)

But you can't make your DH afraid he'll lose you if he hits you, by showing your love, begging him to come home or explaining it to him. Once you do these things you have already sent a very clear message saying you care more about staying in the relationship than you do about your own self esteem or saftey. You've already given him the green light, he's got away with it. You've shown him that he can get out of this by talking, he doesn't really need to address anything.

What worries me is that he should be begging forgiveness, and you should be taking no shit. But that's not you. (Yet).

See, even if your DH was the nicest man in the world (he's not) there's still something wrong here, and that's that you're not able to see how to stand up for yourself. And this means you are very vulnerable to being manipulated, which I fear is what is happening here.

I got away from my ex but it took years. It was years before he hit me first by the way! The first time I thought it was out of character too. I hope you don't go through what i did, but I hope you do find a way to protect yourself better. You should be outraged at this point, not trying to patch things up so soon. He should be the one squirming and begging.

My self esteem has taken a battering and even though I'm with a nice man now, I still haven't recovered from it properly.

It may take you a while to see how you are not looking after yourself properly (it took me years).

But whether you patch things up or not, could you consider going to a counselor to talk about your own self esteem perhaps?

I really hope I've made some kind of sense here.

threeleftfeet · 04/04/2012 22:30

And if you managed to read all of that - here's a medal! :)

fedupofnamechanging · 04/04/2012 22:33

I think you put that really well, threeleftfeet

everlong · 04/04/2012 22:34

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sunshineandbooks · 04/04/2012 22:35

threeleftfeet that was a very brave post. The only thing in your post I'd take issue is that you say you were part of the problem. You weren't. Ever. The man who chose to abuse you and use your love as a tool to manipulate you with is the problem. Not you.

Well done for getting out of it and I wish you well with your continued recovery. Smile

ike1 · 04/04/2012 22:35

Yep, 3 left feet I reckon that sums it up nicely.

Whatmeworry · 04/04/2012 22:36

I think the OP is being a damn sight more sensible than many of the commentors on this thread, who IMO are ptrojecting their agendas rather than looking at the situation clearly and dispassionately, and accepting there is a lot they don't know yet.

Stick to your plan, OP. You are coming across as sensible and adult.

LostMyIdentityAlongTheWay · 04/04/2012 22:37

Why the hell the OP would come back on here is beyond me. I think that some posters, who yes, have been with it since it started on AIBU, have been given a very hard time. Everlongs point way back was that we don't know all the facts and can't make judgements easily. I honestly feel she has tried to give support. I also think others have haraNgued, projected and been quite bonkers in places. It's like some sort of oney uppy contest. Jesus.
Vicarious thrills, anybody? Or just bitchy hysteria? Good luck OP I hope you can work it out. I'm back to AIBU where it's fraNkly less insaNe. The irony...
Please excuse typos, phone finger strikes again..,

Eurostar · 04/04/2012 22:38

Best case scenario - H is overwhelmed by new financial responsibility, grief and possibly reminders of someone close to him in life who has dealt with their problems with alcohol so causing him pain. He understands this and commits to never let violence happen again.

Several worst case scenarios about too - such as this being the start of a pattern of violence or, as others have experienced, being about his guilt for some sexual encounter outside of the marriage, maybe one that involved an STD.

Hoping it is no 1 for you here OP and clearly you want to give this a chance but if there is ever a 2nd incident, there must be no more chances.

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