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Am I fighting for my marriage or begging?

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cwtchy · 28/03/2012 15:28

I've been with my DH 14 years, and married for 5 of them. We have a 2 yo and a 4 yo. Things haven't been great for a while as often happens with 2 babies, but DH also works shifts and I work on his days off, which means we have had almost zero time to ourselves since the DCs were born.

DH has told me this week he doesn't love me anymore and it's the end of our marriage.

I'm bloody devastated. I love him as I've always done and was looking forward to our youngest starting nursery this sept so we could have more time together - I was so looking forward to that. He says however that it's gone on too long for him and the love just isn't there any more for him.

I don't want to just let him go, and have told him exactly how I feel, asked him to come to counselling with me, asked for the separation to be a trial one. But he is refusing and says he doesn't want to drag the pain out for me. Should I be trying everything to keep him, or do I deserve better and let him get on with it? I just feel like he hasn't even tried. We used to have such a fantastic relationship. I don't want to beg someone to stay with me who doesn't love me. But I also want to fight for what we had.

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ToothbrushThief · 07/04/2012 18:49

I agree with midwife about BHols. Everyone seems to be a happy family.

cwtchy- top tips given to me when grieving a family life was
1 Don't listen to love songs/any songs - they all make you feel shit
2 Plan activities even if it's emptying that understairs cupboard and reorganising
3 Arrange future outings with friends
4 Eat well
5 Be selfish and wrap yourself up in love with your DC. There will be a void and anger at the cause of that void but you will adjust to your new family.
6 Focus on the pluses of being single. (I sit here wrapped up in a blanket, dressed like a bag lady, controlling the remote, eating what I like, planning an evening of what I want)

BeforeAndAfter · 07/04/2012 19:13

Your words are so raw and poignant. Without a doubt it is the unilateral decision of your H to walk out that is so hard to bear. The worst thing is that he didn't give the two of you a chance and he didn't give his family unit a chance. He didn?t say ?Hey, Cwtchy, I?m feeling a bit unloved over here, let Grandma babysit for the night and we?ll head out so we can catch up and I can tell you how I feel and we can see if we can fix this?. No, he just checked out on his volition, not a hint, not a squeak, nothing.

So this is what you?ve lost Cwtchy, in the cold light of day: a man who is emotionally immature. He could not handle his feelings of frustration and anger, so he expressed those feelings in an intimidating and bullying way. A man who was a coward through and through. Rather than talk to you and tell you how he felt, he reached a conclusion, all alone - the same one that my H and so many others have taken:

wife is busy, wife is harried, wife has no time to bestow me nightly with great blow jobs and hot sex, therefore wife does not love me, therefore I shall find sex elsewhere.

I?ve distilled it down to something a bit trite but I honestly believe that?s how most of these affairs start and many men really do associate sex with love. Our side of the story is slightly different:

I?ve got so much to do, the kids to sort out, the job to hold down, the house to clean and the meals to cook. Next year XXX will be off my plate so I?ll have a bit more time for H and I really miss being close to H but he understands and we?re in this together. Once we?re over this bump life together is going to be just amazing.

We do invest so much in our men, we really do. Our partners do become our best friends, our soul mates (and for many our men are our sole mates as we women can focus everything on our man and neglect other friendships). I remember spending hours in the kitchen cooking something utterly amazing and when H ate I thought he could taste the love and trust in every mouthful. I would have been better off buying an M&S special, bunging it in the microwave and dragging him upstairs ... to do what? ... to massage his ego, to make sure he FELT loved.

You don?t want a husband who needs that, you really don?t. He may have been your rock but he was made of nothing more than rock salt and he just dissolved as the first wave of temptation washed over him.

Ups and downs in relationships are inevitable but we need a man who can deal with those ups and down WITH us and alongside us and it?s shit that we both chose and invested in men who couldn?t manage something that seems so simple.

This is going to be brutal to read Cwtchy but figure out whether you?re grieving for what you thought you had, but now realise you didn?t have, rather than grieving for the fictional doting H you hoped you had.

My H had left the building a long time before he left the marriage. He had spent a lot of energy reinventing our marriage and reinventing me - I had become someone who didn?t do this, didn?t do that, didn?t like this, didn?t like that. I suspect your H has followed a similar pattern.

You have to grieve, and it is grieving. What you are feeling is akin to a death but it is in some ways worse because you have to deal with the fact that in your mind he has rejected you. Again, that is brutal to read. I used to think it would have been better had H died, then the family would have been united in grief for a good man, a good husband and a good father. Now we are united in grief because he?s turned into an utter utter twunt and the worst thing is we are all saying that he was always like that, deep down.

So when you are sad, my love, make sure you?ve thought about what it is you are really grieving over. Yes, you?ve lost your husband. Yes, you?ve lost YOUR best friend, but his actions have shown that you weren?t his best friend and probably hadn?t been for a long time.

You definitely have NOT lost the fabric of your whole life. No way. Your life is multi-faceted - you still have your DCs, you still have your family, you still have your intelligence, which shines out from your posts, you have your job, you have your friends and one of the best bits about being without H is that those friends will come closer and you will be open to making more friends. You?ve lost a part of your life, a part that was probably dying on the vine if you peer closely at it with that flashlight, but not the fabric of it.

As for losing your home, well, yes, at this point in time, based on the advice you received thus far, you?re going to lose a house; bricks and mortar that shelter you from the elements. I can tell you from first-hand experience though that a home is where you and your DCs are. Where all of those daft little ornaments that they make for you get to take pride of place. Where all of those family photos are.

In terms of bricks and mortar I?ve lost more than my fair share in the ten months and I now live in a tiny tiny apartment but in a beautiful location. The DSDs come and stay from uni and they say that when they come to me it feels like coming home. It brings back all the memories because I cook their favourite food and they can smell it when they walk up to the apartment and they get all excited outside in the entrance hall. Since I left in July the DSDs have not stayed with their father, even for one night, at what was our lovely family home. Why? It doesn?t feel like home anymore for them. The DSDs prefer to sleep on my bed settee in the lounge rather than spend a night in their own bedrooms in a house with their father. For me that speaks volumes. It?s a cliche but it?s true, home is where the heart is and, that?s usually where Mum is, no matter what shape and size the bricks and mortar come in.

I?m so sorry for the long and rambly post Cwtchy (my speciality!). I hope you see what I?m trying to say and if I?ve made you cry with some brutal realisations then I am truly sorry to add to your sorrow but sometimes you need to have the glass shattered to shock you into taking stock of what you really had and what you really have.

It?s early days, it really is, and it hurts like hell, I know. Do take good care of yourself and don?t be brave, lean on others. I get the feeling you?re trying to shoulder so much of this burden alone. Don?t. This is your time and, believe me, people really do want to help, so let them and you?ll find that the closest of bonds form in the most unexpected places.

And I'm loving Toothbrush's advice - except maybe the music - Bon Jovi and Stevie Ray Vaughan got me through some really shit times! Bag ladies rock!

I hope you sleep tonight

B&A xx

ToothbrushThief · 07/04/2012 19:27

B&A - your posts are invaluable

midwife99 · 07/04/2012 20:02

Ah B&A you're fab [busmile]

Pumpster · 07/04/2012 22:22

Just read the whole thread, am in awe of you cwtchy. I wish you the best of luck for your future, I think you will ultimately be happier once the dust settles. X

cwtchy · 07/04/2012 23:26

Thank you to all who replied tonight. You have all helped me. B&A, I may well print that last post of yours off and keep it by my bed, it contains so much that I ought to keep at the front of my mind. I can honestly say, I will NEVER forget the time and trouble you have gone to in replying to me.

I called some real life people over this evening because I was feeling so awful, and they have helped me along tonight. I'm going to get some sleep now, but will post again tomorrow, hopefully in a more positive mood!

Night all x

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mufff · 07/04/2012 23:35

Awesome post B&A Smile

Ktmacca4 · 08/04/2012 00:23

I have just read this whole thread, all the way through, and Cwtchy you are inspirational. I am supporting a friend at the moment who is going through the same thing - in fact tomorrow her ex has the children all day and so she is coming to my house so that she is not at home on her own.
I just wanted to say that 11 years ago I was also in your position - with 3 under 5s, including a baby - wondering how I could live without him and go to work,. and do the childcare and manage the money. But today, I am very, very happily married and have been for nearly ten years with a fourth DC!
There is always light at the end of the tunnel even though at the moment it is a dark place. Just look for the chinks of light and work towards them. You will find them in the strangest places (like the school gates and in the Nutella jar!) but they ARE there. And the light gets brighter every day.
Please keep posting - and remember that whenever you feel most alone you just need to look over your shoulder and see all of us standing behind you xx

midwife99 · 08/04/2012 06:35

Cwtchy I hope you got some sleep. There is light at the end of the tunnel. I hated bank holidays & Christmas on my own to begin with but I soon realised the joy of not having to do all the work & yet deal with a miserable DH or his parents or relatives on these occasions! I am also now remarried with DC4 & in some ways miss those simple bank holidays on our own believe it or not. It's so hard to begin with but there will be good times again soon [hug]

Ktmacca4 · 08/04/2012 10:04

Just read my post and want to make clear that I am happily married to a DIFFERENT MAN - its not a 2nd go with the NOBBY EX. You are better off without him xx

Cashncarry · 08/04/2012 13:00

Taking a quick break from lurking to wish you strength Cwtchy - you're doing really well. the advice on your thread is amazing so I'm glad if I've helped in any small way. Just remember that you're the one living and breathing through this and the fact that you've found the strength to rise above your obvious pain speaks volumes about your character. You're doing brilliantly x

comewwhinewithme · 08/04/2012 17:50

Cwtchy (hugs) I am in the same position as you. Ex walked in Jan but I only found out he was with OW last week.
15 years down the drain for a girl hour flirted with at work.
Anyway if you want to pm me feel free might help to chat when we are both going through the same shit at the same time. Xx

Startingagain88 · 08/04/2012 20:55

Hi Cwtchy, I have been following your thread, how you have been feeling recently, is all perfectly understandable and normal.

You have posted on my thread and so as you know my ex left me for OW after 15 years....this was nearly five weeks ago. In that time i have gone through shock, denial, grief etc, i have even asked him to come back (in a particularly embarrassing telephone call, early this week- he said no by the way), i am like you sad to have lost my partner my friend, lover etc, the pain can be overwhelming at times...

BUT i am feeling stronger each week that passes, the grief is slowly turning to anger, and i am sure that this will happen for you soon too xxxxx

Comewwhine, crap isnt it, when ex throws all that time, love and care away for a 'thrill', i have tried to understand their thinking but i honestly dont think i ever will.

ionysis · 09/04/2012 10:30

How you doing Cwtchy?

cwtchy · 09/04/2012 20:00

I'm still here, had a night out last night which was good fun. I'm very sad again tonight and dont feel like posting much at the moment. I'm in bed and am getting an early night to catch up on the sleep I missed last night, I'm back in work tomorrow too and I'm not looking forward to it!

H is being quite angry towards me, which is making things harder. He was 40 mins late for collecting the kids yesterday. He didn't apologise and didn't talk to me. Its just so awful.

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fiventhree · 09/04/2012 20:18

Oh Cwtchy, he has a nerve!

Entitled little tosser, isnt he?

Hopefully it will increase your 'angry fund', although I wish it wasnt happening to you!

ToothbrushThief · 09/04/2012 20:21

I think 'entitled little tosser' covers it

I'm so sorry this is happening to you. The fatigue and inertia caused by his actions are really hard to fight and you have the DC and work to contend with. Are there are parts of your life that you can drop (high domestic standards?) or pass to family/friends?

cwtchy · 09/04/2012 20:41

Ha, I wish I did have high domestic standards! I haven't done much housework since this has happened. The DCs are with their grandmother now until Wednesday, so although I'm missing them, having a rest is doing me some good. The thought of getting the house ready to sell is exhausting, though. I'm tempted to tell him to come and help sort it out.

I'm guessing he is so angry at me as I found him out and have made his life difficult now? Maybe also because of my little admission of guilt when I spoke to him last week. I'm seeing how emotionally immature he is and it's sad to see.

I had a look through some old photos tonight, from when eldest DC was a baby. It was devastating to see how much love we used to have, but also comforting in a way, to remember that we had so many great years. Whatever happens in the next few months/years, I can see that I'm never going to be the person in those photos again.

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midwife99 · 09/04/2012 20:44

Honey you are pregnant - not that he seems to think that's any reason to be any bloody gentler with you. He is a tosser Angry

cwtchy · 09/04/2012 21:03

I hope I'm not, midwife!!! But if you're a midwife maybe you know something I don't Grin

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ToothbrushThief · 09/04/2012 21:04

I look back at old photos and find it really hard to equate 'inadequate little tosser' (my ex) with the man I see in those photos. I loved him. I loved our family. It's gone and I had to grieve for that.

Have a look at this. I think it's very true.

You will get over this cwtchy

ToothbrushThief · 09/04/2012 21:05
Grin

I didn't like to answer Midwife on your behalf but was a bit Shock

midwife99 · 09/04/2012 21:20

Oh so sorry cwtchy - I thought I was posting on chocoraisin's thread!!! I am good but not that good to diagnose a pregnancy remotely!! GrinGrinGrin

midwife99 · 09/04/2012 21:36

What exactly has he got to be angry about??!!! Oh poor baby couldn't carry on his affair plus have all the home comforts??!! Poor love, living out of a suitcase!! Angry

spendthrift · 09/04/2012 21:57

Cwitchy, thinking of you and continue to be strong.

On moving house, which I did as a child every 18 months or so, all your dcs need is you and their favourite soft toys. If you add photos, cushions, lamps, a few familiar pictures and a familiar rug or so it will feel like old home in a couple of hours for them.

That's not to say that there won't be emotional holes, just that it's easier to make somewhere feel.home like for a small child than you might think.

Hth.