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Am I fighting for my marriage or begging?

631 replies

cwtchy · 28/03/2012 15:28

I've been with my DH 14 years, and married for 5 of them. We have a 2 yo and a 4 yo. Things haven't been great for a while as often happens with 2 babies, but DH also works shifts and I work on his days off, which means we have had almost zero time to ourselves since the DCs were born.

DH has told me this week he doesn't love me anymore and it's the end of our marriage.

I'm bloody devastated. I love him as I've always done and was looking forward to our youngest starting nursery this sept so we could have more time together - I was so looking forward to that. He says however that it's gone on too long for him and the love just isn't there any more for him.

I don't want to just let him go, and have told him exactly how I feel, asked him to come to counselling with me, asked for the separation to be a trial one. But he is refusing and says he doesn't want to drag the pain out for me. Should I be trying everything to keep him, or do I deserve better and let him get on with it? I just feel like he hasn't even tried. We used to have such a fantastic relationship. I don't want to beg someone to stay with me who doesn't love me. But I also want to fight for what we had.

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AnyFucker · 30/03/2012 19:32

I feel strangely proud of cwtchy too, and very proud of MN

fallenpetal · 30/03/2012 19:47

AF I feel the same, just wish Id been on MN when my ex did the dirty!

I think you are doing a fab job staying in control for your children hun - keep strong :)

ToothbrushThief · 30/03/2012 19:51

I wish I had one what you have done cwtchy. Painful, painful times but this is the equivalent of ripping of the plaster. You will get back to a happy life.

I 'fought' for my marriage. What a waste of the next 7 years!!!

AnyFucker · 30/03/2012 20:00

"Fighting" for a relationship usually signifies you taking all the blame and swallowing your pride to the detriment of your self respect

not good

if I had to "fight" I would consider it game over before it even began, get out and save myself

ToothbrushThief · 30/03/2012 20:16

I would now AF but then...then I was a different person.

Ohdearwhatnow · 30/03/2012 20:17

cwitchy respect. You are amazing!

garlicbutter · 30/03/2012 20:19

Me, too, TT :( I remember pushing people to say what they meant by "You must fight for him" and realising it boiled down to trying to out-mistress the mistress. That's not fighting.

If this board had been around then, my history might be very different.

cwtchy · 30/03/2012 20:20

Ahhh...kids are in bed.

I've just got off the phone to my best friend, she lost her job today. Our other bestest friend's mother died of cancer on Monday. Officially the Worst Week of my Life.

I made an appointment to see the doctor today, to get signed off work as the physical effects of the stress are really surprising me, but couldn't get one until the 2nd week of April, grr.

I feel some kind of duty to carry on being, er, pride-inducing for you all! Hopefully this thread will help other people in similar shitty situations. Hopefully I can carry on tomorrow, but he will be in the house and I have a list of financial related things to tell him, so hope I can do it. I am going to make myself look as amazing as possible (as amazing as you can look on 2 hours of sleep and a nutella sandwich, anyway).

A few of you have mentioned that men in these situations often want to come back at some point. I wonder how many women take them back and things actually work out? I'm not planning to do this, but just interested.

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Bitofastate · 30/03/2012 20:25

Just wanted to say I'm thinking of you and your dc and I hope you're ok. Just trust that this will get better even though it feels like a living hell Sad

You have many, many people here rooting for you and sending our thoughts to you Smile I hope that helps a little.

IllegitimateGruffaloChild · 30/03/2012 20:28

You don't have a duty to anyone except yourself and your lovely DC. I think like most massive life changing events it gets worse before it gets better.

Be kind to yourself, and just congratulate yourself on getting through each day. You sound so grounded Smile

ToothbrushThief · 30/03/2012 20:36

I took him back. Our relationship was changed forever. I was constantly on the back foot examining my behaviour to make sure I didn't cause him to leave again. My self esteem was zero. Initially we had a 'honeymoon' period of relief that the marriage was back on. Then we had years and years of misery.

I cannot tell you how much I regret trying to save that marriage. Splitting up is the most painful experience. You do however reach an end point to the pain. I lived a miserable existence for several years before calling time.

I hate to say that I have regrets but I do. I wasted good years in that marriage.

garlicbutter · 30/03/2012 20:36

When they take them back, they have to build a new marriage. They can't go back to the old one, because that's been invalidated.

Generally speaking, the cheater finds this hardest at the beginning. To them, they've sacrificed a new beginning in favour of the ongoing story. They don't really get how utterly destroyed the cheated one feels, or that they have to start building a relationship with them all over again. In the long term, the cheated partner often finds it hardest. You're building a new relationship with a man who is not only a proven cheat, but cheated on you. It's really bloody hard. It can be done, but I admit to wondering how often it's worthwhile.

You impress the hell out of me, too! Keep posting, keep talking ... and EAT MORE! It really doesn't matter if all you can eat is chocolate. Just eat :)

AnyFucker · 30/03/2012 20:37

TT, we've all been there, me included

garlicbutter · 30/03/2012 20:37

examining my behaviour to make sure I didn't cause him to leave again. - oh, TT, that's heartbreaking.

RedHotPokers · 30/03/2012 20:42

Fingers crossed you'll have a better week next week cwtchy.

Sending you {{{{cwtches}}}} Smile and wishing you lots of strength.

cwtchy · 30/03/2012 20:42

So sorry you went through all that misery, toothbrush, and that you are carrying regret. The decisions these men make destroy so many lives.

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Dozer · 30/03/2012 20:44

Nutella is good, yum.

There used to be a poster here - when will i feel normal - who emphasised the importance of the cheater taking full responsibility, accepting the magnitude of what they'd done, rather than the standard script of self-justification (relationship was stale, wife absorbed in DC blah blah) and pressure on the devastated partner to get over it, "refresh" themselves and relationship (thereby rewarding the cheater with more sex, excitement etc and suppressing their emotions due to fear).

ToothbrushThief · 30/03/2012 20:46

I'm a bit maudlin tonight - sorry.

Since splitting I have
a) had the best sex of my life
b) best holidays
c) most help and love given to my DC
d) lovely presents and treats

I think lovers are the way to go Wink

ToothbrushThief · 30/03/2012 20:46

Single lovers I should say! Never married

Dozer · 30/03/2012 20:49

cwythy, your DH's text was straight from that script. Standard MN advice seems to be that if you're considering take him back, kick him out for at least a month or two while you consider things - let him fear losing you - with v limited contact. Otherwise if he comes back after a v short time he will think you will put up with cheating.

fengirl1 · 30/03/2012 20:49

OP - I have only read your first post and some of you latest. I went through this too and asked him to come back. It lasted 5 years until I told him to go. I don't know if it's what you want to hear right now but at least he had enough respect for you or at least honesty to tell you instead of slowly killing your heart and leaving you constantly doubting yourself. Do what you must to protect yourself and try to stay at least civil in front of the dc's. I found money to be (and still to some extent!) the most contentious to deal with. Good luck and stay strong.

angelpuss · 30/03/2012 21:00

Lurker here just catching up cwtchy

Hope that you manage to get some rest now that the DC are in bed and like garlicbutter said, try to eat more and maybe have some Wine. You've nearly made it through the day, and I'll be keeping everything crossed that tomorrow is not too hard.

Sending hugs to you all Smile

teahouse · 30/03/2012 21:08

Seconding above re the money - always the biggest issue.

Sounds harsh but the kids are young enough to get over this fairly quickly. Mine were 5 & 7 and on the whole were OK when I left (he had been having an affair all through our marriage and I couldn't stay so left with the kids - he was a bully so it was easiest for me to go). Keeping them with as much normal stuff worked really well for mine.

Good luck - stay strong, get as much emotional support as you can and make sure you look after yourself so you can look after your kids.

BeforeAndAfter · 30/03/2012 22:08

If you can muster the oomph tomorrow Cwtchy start googling family law firms in your area and make a list of a few firms to call on Monday. I know you planned to talk / did talk to your Unite lawyer at work, and I think that?s a great place to start, but you do need advice from someone who works in family law all the time and knows the case law specific to that field. Remember, it doesn?t cost you a thing if you use the firms offering the free meeting and if you use up the free time wisely and bounce around a few firms you?ll hone your questions as you go.

I love your action-stations, go get the bastard approach and what you?ve done with the signatures on the banking is brilliant - I wish I had had the foresight to do that. One thing I did straight away was change my life insurance at work - I figured that if I fell under the proverbial bus then OW wasn?t going to reap any benefit from that and a little later on I put in place a new will. It?s possible you?ve not got around to the will yet anyway but you may feel inspired to put one in place now - not that I want to be maudlin or anything but it?s all practical stuff, shit though it is.

I know your little ones are the most precious things in the world to you but I would urge you to think about letting him take them to OW?s so that the two of them can share the burden of childcare quickly. I am sure you will be fretting away when he first has them and they?re not with you but in time that time alone will be crucial for you. You will need that time to rediscover you, to indulge yourself in doing the things you want to do - be that wild sex with the guy you just dragged home from the club (trust me, you?ll get that urge again, one day), long hikes or long hot soaks with a favourite book. Whatever it is that makes you you. The sooner you make your H share the burden of childcare the sooner you can all come to terms with the new reality and there is nothing that will cramp OW?s style more than a fretful toddler. I am NOT saying use the kids as pawns or dump them on H if you think they would be harmed in anyway but let the pair of them lie in every inch of the squalid bed they have made for themselves as soon as possible; let them have tantrums and poo. Why deprive them?

Don?t forget you?ve only had 48-hours to get your head around this and I know your head is simply swimming but do think about sharing the burden of childcare with him as fully as possible. If you trust your H with the kids, you know he wouldn?t take them to OW?s if she would harm them, so let them start cultivating their garden of weeds right now (I?m loving the metaphor there Wisey). Personally I can?t think of anything worse that one of the chaps I?ve been dallying with in RL (not that any of them are married!) turning up at mine looking for a place to stay ?until he sorts something out? and THEN turning up with a child in tow 50% of the time.

As for your question about making the marriage work post-discovery, I did try to make it work with H but he didn?t. He paid lip service to making it work because materially we were quite well off together and he didn?t want to sacrifice that but in the end he never stopped lying to me and I knew. It made me ill. I finally cottoned on to his game and left. I?m glad I tried though - I had to reach the bottom before I could head back up to the sunlight but GarlicButter?s spot on - you try to out-mistress the mistress which is daft because it turns you into someone/thing you?re not.

The good thing is when I saw how he behaved during that time of attempted reconciliation, his twists and turns and lies it made me dislike him, very much, and I came to realise that I was missing the man that used to be, the man that was no more and that he could never be that man for me again so it made the split so much easier. The man who had loved me was long gone and I really did not like this new model standing in front of me. It?s shocking that he could turn stranger so fast but he did. I think constant kindness and false love would have made it so much harder for me.

So Cwtchy, your mind must be either going 19 to the dozen or has just ground to a halt - I?m betting on the former right now and we?re all filling it up even more with our posts. Pick out the big purple quality street nuggets of advice that you fancy and throw out the liquorice flavoured ones that you don?t think are quite such good ideas right now but, you know, liquorice does grow on you so maybe they?ll seem like cracking ideas in a week or four?s time :)

As for a Nutella sandwich, shame on you. You don?t need to pretend anymore - go and get a spoon and dig it deep into that jar and slurp away - the nearest you?ll get to intravenous Nutella - yep, double-dip but don?t let the kids see! Oh and red wine with Nutella methinks.

Hey, good luck tomorrow when you see him. It won?t be easy. Try to keep to your plan and if you don?t, that?s fine too and don?t feel bad. You?re only human but boy what a super one you are!

xx

AnyFucker · 30/03/2012 22:26

BandA, you should charge for that advice

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