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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

OP posts:
fetamore · 18/03/2012 16:20

Thanks for the comments, hopefully I'll soon begin to be able to tell the wood from the trees...

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:18

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detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:23

maybe i am catastrophising/

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 17:25

What are your contact arrangments? Is there a court order in place?

ParsleyTheLioness · 18/03/2012 17:27

Can you get in touch with your solicitor in the morning ai? x

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:29

No court order unfortunatley. When we went to court they said are arrangements for children ok and we said yes as they were kind of ok at time and i didn't understand about residency orders properly and the court don't like to interfere nowadays so they didn't.

I've been thinking of getting residency order but didn't want to make him more angry, don't know how much it costs etc. How long does it take to get and would it help/ Also he ignores court letters.

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 17:35

I know little about this, but lots here do, including parsley (waves)

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:35

I haven't contacted my solicitor since the court stuff finally finished over two years ago. (also my original one had gone on maternity leave and the new one didn't seem to get it as well, made a mistake which quite hard to rectify as well). I could try them or maybe better a women's aid one at the women's centre as they understand better about these things but i think they are difficult to get and only there one day a week.

Shall I definately not text him yet and avoid questions from children anyway. It's not like he's asked for an answer, just told me what is happening as usuall!

findingmysong · 18/03/2012 17:37

Happy Mother's Day to everyone. I've had a nice day on my own as DC with NSDH although DD didn't want to go and was quite upset which wasn't too nice. Feel calmer today than I did last night though.

I really liked the Bill of Rights link.

a1b2 I don't know much re legalities, but I can understand why you are not comfortable when you don't know his contact details and details of this holiday, plus the no seatbelts thing would worry me too. It sounds like you would benefit from some legal advice. Sounds really worrying, hope someone else has some ideas.

Feel a bit funny saying welcome to people as I only just joined the thread too, but welcome. It is such a comfort and so inspiring to be in contact with so many courageous women.

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:37

Thank you pink and parsleySmileThanks

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:40

thank you finding too

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 17:40

a1b2 I have taught myself to hold back and think things through before acting, so think your approach is right for the time being. Plus you will get more info coming in on this thread I expect.

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 17:42

Legal advice asap I would think, though.

ParsleyTheLioness · 18/03/2012 17:57

a1 maintain a neutral position as far as you can, at this stage. If pushed by the dc's say "We'll see, I need to discuss it with your dad" or something. I would think you would be able to get legal aid, but have not been down this route myself. Don't be pushed into a "yes".

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 17:57

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ParsleyTheLioness · 18/03/2012 18:08

Pink's advice to hold back and think is good. Hi Pink.(waves)

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 18:08

right tea is on, needs more stuff doing though and getting school stuff sorted, but will keep checking for advice from wonderful women on here. thank you for advice and hand holding.

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 18:12

The days of being pushed into a yes are over! But i need to learn how to put no as nicely and yet strongly and good reasons as possible. he'll go mad whatever i do and manipulate the dcs so i may as well hold off and keep calm

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 18:24

But apart from the seat belts, and even then it's probably not illegal.Well it was illegal having one in the front without seat belt before so I know he doesn't bother about law and safety. Stsrt to doubt if being unreasonable stopping their pleasure of a holiday with exciting dad. But then again my instinct says no.

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 18:27

This is you thinking it through, don't worry! No pressure to decide anything yet.

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 18:34

True, he says he has booked it already so he might complain if I don't say no immediately, that I should have said before, but if he's already booked it the no isn't needed yet. Usually up till now I've usually said no or not answered and eventually given in. But there was an occasion a couple of months ago I said no, about something he sprung on me, he ignored me and I had to grab youngest dc out of his arms before he got in the car. It was horrible. But at least he knows I will stand up for myself and dcs more now.

ThePinkPussycat · 18/03/2012 18:47

So he might complain? Big deal Wink. If asked you can always say 'I'm still considering it.'

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 19:34

see, he'll say, why should he have to ask my permission. I need to go for legal advice as i am the resident parent because they live with me, but no court order.

I'm pretty sure I can say no, but not entirely sure. Before he's said about things "I don't need your permission, I am their father, that is what is happening".

That is the sort of man he is.

At the same time he'll say/text to the kids (he has before) "it looks like your mum won't let you (whatever it is) at the moment", then put a sad face symbol.

Yet I'm not going to let that sort of manipulation or their dissapointment and them being cross with me/arguing etc influence my decision, especially over their safety.

detachandtrustyourself · 18/03/2012 19:38

anyway, don't let me hog the board, everyone please continue with unrelated conversations, but only if you want to.

sunrise65 · 18/03/2012 19:51

hi evyone sorry for late reply. i left my ex 2 or so months ago. it was thanks to people on mumsnet after i posted wondering if he was abusive or not..well now i have seen how bad he treated me! thought it would be good t join u on here though as things are so up and down at the moment. even though i can see how horrible he was and still is (getting help from outreach worker etc) i still have days where i miss him and feel so confused! i noticed someones post on here a few pages back..i´ll check the name and it sounds exactly like my ex p. completly charming, everyone loved him including my family and friends. when we first split my mum was not supportive to me at all. i think it was because of how he had deceived everyone. she now sees how nasty he is but it has taken involvment of the police to do this. but just remember that you ahve done the right thing by protecting yourself and your children and don´t let these abusers control u! sending lots of love on mothers day, u r all amazing! dont forget itxxx

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