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Advice please if anyone's up

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 26/02/2012 05:31

Cant believe I'm asking this, I think I know I'm clutching at straws.

Yesterday I found an old mobile in my husbands van (I never usually go I there). There were literally loads of calls made, as many as 10 a day up until 5:20 (he gets home around 5:45) I rang the number and a woman answered.

We have 3 dc's aged 5 and under. My world has just dropped from under my feet.

He's smashed the phone in temper, and he's saying someone at works been using it for the last couple if weeks. He swears he's not been having an affair.

I am clutching at straws aren't I?

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izzyizin · 05/04/2012 23:42

Do you believe anything this man says, because I don't?

losttheflickumdickumagain · 06/04/2012 00:23

Nope

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fallenpetal · 06/04/2012 00:49

He had admitted it after his previous performances? Unfuckingbelieveable!

Oh Lost! I think I would be beating him with the freaking secret phone! What a jerk ? Is he begging for forgiveness because she has dumped him or because he is scared of the fall out?

Either way he is a prize turkey! Although part of me is glad he has been a shite because you have really wised up to his games so now you have the upper hand! Be strong hun.

izzyizin · 06/04/2012 01:29

What a selfless individual he is nobly sacrificing his personal happiness for 17 years for the sake of his dd.

He's been having a full-on physical affair complete with full-frontal technicolour photo texts for 3+ years, coming and going from her bed to yours, and making a complete and utter fool of you.

Leopards are not noted for changing their spots, honey.

theresafire · 06/04/2012 06:04

What a fucking c!@t. Bin him. Would you want this type as partner for your DD, or for your boys to carry on like this spineless turd. If he didn't want to be with you (be assured thats what he says to endless supply of anonymous fluff- 50yo my arse!) he should've manned up and told you 3 FUCKING YEARS AGO! Right now I would be working on taking him for all he is worth, lie, cheat, steal cos after all he did no less to you AND YOUR CHILDREN! Ahem, maybe thats just me. Sorry Lost, I feel rather protective of you. He's played you well as he has had decades of practice. Don't waste the rest of your life with him. While you are wasting time with him yot aren't available for that lovely fella who WILL do the right thing by you and your DCs. Grrr...I could kill him.

theresafire · 06/04/2012 06:04

What a fucking c!@t. Bin him. Would you want this type as partner for your DD, or for your boys to carry on like this spineless turd. If he didn't want to be with you (be assured thats what he says to endless supply of anonymous fluff- 50yo my arse!) he should've manned up and told you 3 FUCKING YEARS AGO! Right now I would be working on taking him for all he is worth, lie, cheat, steal cos after all he did no less to you AND YOUR CHILDREN! Ahem, maybe thats just me. Sorry Lost, I feel rather protective of you. He's played you well as he has had decades of practice. Don't waste the rest of your life with him. While you are wasting time with him yot aren't available for that lovely fella who WILL do the right thing by you and your DCs. Grrr...I could kill him.

theresafire · 06/04/2012 06:14

Sorry for the double post. Grrr ancient phone

Teaandcakeplease · 06/04/2012 07:56

What Izzy said!

So glad you have some more evidence of his behaviour. It hurts, but it will help you to leave him. Angry

losttheflickumdickumagain · 06/04/2012 10:05

We're on our way now. I hope you all don't mind, I really appreciate the support and advice from everyone on here, I really do, but I'm going to take a bit of a break from the thread. Cowardly I know, but I know how things are with us now, and I am without a doubt going for a divorce, but I'm being pathetic and need to stop reading this for a while. You have all helped so much, but when I read again how he is it still hurts. Trust me, if I start to feel myself waver AT ALL in the next few days, I will come back on and reaffirm things to myself. But I can't see me wavering now, I really can't. And if I did, I'd be taking myself for my head looking at.

I just didn't want you all to think I wasn't coming on because I'm backtracking again, or anything awful had happened while we're away.

Thank you again, and i hope you'll still talk me when I'm come back Smile (probably tomorrow knowing me). Xx

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Doha · 06/04/2012 10:22

Try have a good break Lost enjoy spending time with the DC's.

You sound strong enough to pull this off anad if you feel like you are weakening----well we are here for you.

Jokat · 06/04/2012 22:55

I think you're awesome and wish you the best of luck. I believe you when you say you're sure about wanting to leave him and I hope you'll let us know further down the line how you and the children are getting on. Will be thinking of you. x

Teaandcakeplease · 12/04/2012 07:58

Lost I'm still thinking of you and wondering how it went.

losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 09:12

Morning. Thank you teaandcake Smile.

You're all going to hate me now. The weekend was just as I expected, I was civil to him, he didn't try and go on. I wittered at him a bit when the bairns were in bed but he never even slightly got aggressive, he took himself for a walk.

Since we've got home I've spoken to the solicitor on the phone only, I can't get to see them till Thursday morning. They only have appts when I can't get anyone to watch the dc's.

But on Tuesday he got all the phone records to show me, he's been texting her frequently for at least two years. He broke down and said he's glad I've found out. It looks like he was telling the truth about the phone in his van, he'd only stopped using his contract phone a couple of weeks before I found the other one. He said i'd started asking questions about his phone again, and I think I had.

I printed most of the records off so he couldn't take proof away again, I've ripped completely into him since I've seen the amount of texts every day. I've called him a heartless selfish monster that doesn't deserve me or the children. I'm even ashamed to say I whalluped him with the rolled up invoices.

He hasn't got angry once these last few days, no matter what I've thrown at him. He just seems defeated and scared. I don't think he likes himself at all at the minute, and he says he hates the man he's become.

If he's admitting to himself that he's really like this, then I do believe that. Because the man I married wasn't like that. I'm not a complete fool, I've been with idiots in the past, and once I've seen them for what they are that's been it. It may sound idiotic coming from me, but I don't suffer fools (not wittingly at least!).

Not sure what happened last night, I know a lot of it was probably how broken he was. But deep down I do think the idiot loves me, it's hard to explain that to you all, but we've been through a lot together before all this started, and he's been a good husband and father apart from this. I do know how ridiculous this sounds. And yes I am probably being weak, but I can't help thinking if he's truly truly sorry, I should at least give a chance to try and fix this.

I'm not going to lie, I don't know if we'll work at all. I'm not happy or even slightly comfortable with him. I know they could still be texting.

But he's admitted that he never really thought about the affect this could have and was having on us these years. He knows he's been a selfish pig that's been putting himself first, when he's got all that he needed at home.

I swear any hint of anything, and he knows his belongings will be on the pavement outside, no finding somewhere to stay, nothing.

I might regret this, to be honest I'm still not sure I'm prepared to try, but I am considering it.

I know you'll all think I'm a fool, I do too, which is why I nearly didn't come on here to tell you.

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 09:23

You all think I'm mad don't you?

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Teaandcakeplease · 12/04/2012 09:30

I won't be calling you a fool, as most of my close friends gave things a go again, who are divorced.

You want to know you did everything you could to save the marriage. But I don't think it will work.

Have the Shirley Glass book to hand and read it well. Please be careful. You know he has form for getting physical Sad

HillyWallaby · 12/04/2012 09:46

I am a bit confused. Are you saying this relationship was categorically only about texting? That he got caught up in some kind of 'harmless' friendship/flirtation that turned to an obsessive fantasy that got out of hand? Or did he actually meet up with her and have a physical affair?

Lueji · 12/04/2012 10:11

Not saying anything because you are in fact the best judge.
We only know what you tell us.

I'd only point out that you don't seem very sure yourself.

I think it's normal to consider it.

I totally understand how it is to love someone and not wanting to see them sad and making our best to try and fix things. :(

Any separation doesn't have to be permanent.
You don't owe him anything.
Can you trust him? Even this apparent self-hate?

losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 10:13

I do keep looking at the book.

He's still adamant it was purely a friendship, nothing flirty/sexual and no meet ups. He did lie about her age, she's early 40s.

I'm still going to see the solicitor.

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 10:15

I'm not sure, I'm really not. I can't held thinking he's just saying all the right things. But I'll never know for sure, I think I just need to find out if I still want him if you know what I mean, because I'm not sure I do anymore, even if he is being truthful now.

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MysteriousHamster · 12/04/2012 10:20

Hope you are well OP

losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 10:32

I can't do it, I've been thinking about nothing else all night and morning. I don't think I can give him another chance. I think he deserves it, but I don't think I can do it

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 11:17

I sound like an absolute loon again don't I? I will, I won't, I will, I won't! It's easier to write my shedheadey thoughts on here instead of out loud Grin

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Jokat · 12/04/2012 11:24

It must be such a dreadfully difficult decision to make... I do understand why at least part of you is wishing that by disclosing more info he's giving you reason enough to try and keep your family unit together and having to face a future as a single mum. It must be daunting :( The only advice I can give is to wait and see how you feel in a week or so. seeing the solicitor might also help in that it might make you feel more confident about coping without him in the future, which in turn might make it a bit easier for you to decide whether or not you want to give him another chance. I feel for you :(

losttheflickumdickumagain · 12/04/2012 11:32

Thank you Jokat, that's what I'm thinking. I'm not making him any promises, but I think seeing the solicitor will help. I feel like I'm going round in circles. On one hand I want to try for the dc's, but then again I'm not having him playing with their little lives. They have no control over this, we do.

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fiventhree · 12/04/2012 11:37

Lost, you are in the same situation as me, as you may remember from my thread.

I chose to believe there were no meet ups too, although I will never be sure, as he works away alot and does have opportunity.

In my case there were lots of one off, so not one person. It is hard though, as you can never be sure, and we know they did it once, and not for a few days either.

In your case, I think it is wholly inappropriate that the woman has you at arms length and he is not telling you that much about her. Do you know where she lives or who her friends are? It would be really useful to get her side of the story, eg by a letter, without telling him, definitely. It could be a polite letter not blaming her at all, etc, and asking for clarification re how far it went, to help you make your decision.

If you do this and tell him first, he will set her up to lie.

Personally, I simply cant see that they didnt meet up, over a 2 year period.

I also think that before you make up your mind you might like this book, which I thought was brilliant, and possibly more relevant to you even than the Shirley Glass book-

www.amazon.co.uk/The-Betrayal-Bond-Exploitative-Relationships/dp/1558745262

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