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Advice please if anyone's up

705 replies

losttheflickumdickumagain · 26/02/2012 05:31

Cant believe I'm asking this, I think I know I'm clutching at straws.

Yesterday I found an old mobile in my husbands van (I never usually go I there). There were literally loads of calls made, as many as 10 a day up until 5:20 (he gets home around 5:45) I rang the number and a woman answered.

We have 3 dc's aged 5 and under. My world has just dropped from under my feet.

He's smashed the phone in temper, and he's saying someone at works been using it for the last couple if weeks. He swears he's not been having an affair.

I am clutching at straws aren't I?

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fiventhree · 04/04/2012 16:51

No bloody surprise there, Lost, after his hands round your throat.

Why let him play with your heart in this way? He has shown he is quite heartless.

fiventhree · 04/04/2012 16:54

Look for patterns in his behaviour.

I can see-

lying followed by
anger followed by
violence if pushed (ie you resist control) followed by
attempts to get you to pity him follwed by
coldness and detachment on his part followed by
you attempting to reengage with him

izzyizin · 04/04/2012 17:17

So now he's playing 'wronged husband whose wife can't get over her suspicions'?

Honey, you just don't seem to get it. To maintain your sanity, HE HAS TO LEAVE and you have to STOP ENGAGING WITH HIM.

If you don't take drastic action now, you''ll be no further forward in a year's time.

The weather's going to be lousy over Easter. Tell the dc that it'll be too cold for the caravan this weekend but they'll have some special treats to make up for not going.

Instead of dancing to his tune, tell him to fuck off to the caravan TONIGHT to give you space and time to consider the enormity of his betrayal and reflect on whether you can continue living with a man whose word is less than worthless.

And get in touch with your pal who saw him lighting up/texting near her home as I suspect the ow lives nearby.

MadAboutHotChoc · 04/04/2012 17:29

A holiday with him in a caravan is a recipe for disaster esp in bad weather - you really do not want the DC to witness any more nasty incidents.

I agree he should go on his own giving you space.

You need to think about why you want to stay with a violent, cheating, lying twat.

losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 21:33

I don't want to stay with him, but I'm scared of the children losing their home Sad

Found his other phone this afternoon, asked him if I could check the van, he said no, then later said yes, so I figured it wouldn't be there. I just wanted to find something he couldn't argue with if that makes sense. He came in from walking the hounds, I asked if I could check his pockets, he said no, said he was just being stubborn, then sat down. I took dd into the other room, and I saw him quickly move, he'd removed it from his sock and thrown it under the sofa cushions. I knew he had but he denied it and refused to get up. It was farcical! We had a face off for about 15 minutes, I know it's stupid, but I'm suck of being lied to. Eventually he got up and got it. They have still been un touch, he's still denying it, but I sent her a text from the phone and she replied. Then I think she cottoned it wasn't him. I've given it back to him now. They can do what they like.
Not going to say it doesn't hurt though, she must be bloody important to him to put her before me and the kids.

You're right about this weekend. I think I'll send him and ask my mum to come over if she can. The kids have been really unsettled today, and i know that's my fault for bothering about all the other stuff too much, and for some stupid reason I can't stop being sick again!

I thought briefly today about us just cohabiting, do the kids still get to live comfortably and see their dad, but that wouldn't work would it? I want to smack him in his smug face whenever I look at him, and today he got a bit aggressive again, (not surprised really, it's when I took his phone off him and wouldn't give it back) he started grabbing me and the dc stopped eating their tea and were watching. I told him to take his hands off me or I wouldn't think twice about phoning the police. He stopped.

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 21:36

Just written a super long wittery post! Where's it gone?

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 21:39

Oh, it is there Blush

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MadAboutHotChoc · 04/04/2012 21:44

Have you been to CAB and seen a solicitor about your rights - I am sure financially you will manage. Your H will have to pay maintenance for the DC.

Kick him out - you really do not need him at home messing up your head and his behaviour sounds awful Sad

The DC find it all unsettling - they deserve a stable home life and your H is not providing this.

He has checked out of the marriage - he is too emotionally tangled with OW and there is nothing you can do except to kick him out and rebuild your life.

izzyizin · 04/04/2012 21:52

Do you know this woman? What name does he have her down as on his phone?

losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 21:53

He didn't have a name on the phone. He said she's called Andrea, but who knows

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izzyizin · 04/04/2012 22:08

What message did you text her and what was her reply?

losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 22:21

I asked if she could talk, she said only by text

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 22:34

I'm sorry I know I'm harping on, but I've never felt pain like this (apart from when we nearly lost ds1). My life has been a lie, I've been a fool, i've carried on being one, because like an idiot, I truly believed we had something special once, I know we lost the way a bit (okay h went totally off the road!) and I hoped we'd get through this and get something back. But god almighty, he says all the right things, and I actually think the scumbag means them, but he can't stop himself lying. I've told him he needs help, really. Because he's turned into the sort if man he hates, and that isn't the man he used to be, I really believe that. But it's up to him to get him back now, and not for me, I've finished with him, but for him.

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ParanoidPrue · 04/04/2012 22:40

Oh Lost Sad I've just read your updated posts and I'm open-mouthed in horror. Not so much at what you've discovered re the porn and the continuing contact - par for the course as far as I'm concerned. Not to trivialise that but if he needs the "thrill" an ow gives him, then he needs the mental stimulation of porn for those times when neither you nor ow(s) will provide that thrill.

It's his behaviour that's shocked me. Sorry to rant but how dare he put his hands on you again. How dare he - he's the one so obviously in the wrong and you're the one who's trying so desperately to keep your family together. His misplaced anger is part of the "script" but his aggressive behaviour towards you is most definitely not. Please please don't go on holiday with him - you'll be in a confined space away from all you are familiar with and I have this gut feeling he will use it to his advantage to corner you into not only believing his shyte but accepting that you are strictly on a "need to know" basis and no more.

I know you want to do it for the DC - believe me, I know that feeling that it must be worth some hard work to try to fix this. But this is more than hard work. You're sick with the stress of it and he's doing nothing to make that go away - nothing. He's trying to bully you into accepting his idea of marriage and it seems to me that that goes against the grain of everything you believe in. After all, it's only a few short weeks ago that you were in a bubble of happiness where you believed that you had your soul-mate and you could trust him with your life. You don't want this - you mustn't stop fighting for yourself and your own peace of mind. But I am worried what will happen when he eventually realises that he can't bully you into submission.

Lost - you must take certain steps. Even if you can salvage your relationship, you will only make him take you seriously if you take steps to end this awful awful situation he is putting you and the kids in.

Firstly, you must put together an overnight bag with some of yours and the kids things in there and keep it at your Mum's. Put the birth certificates, passports, red books along with a change of clothes (nappies, formula, spare bottle etc) for all of you and keep it there.

Secondly, make an appointment to see a family solicitor. Don't be scared of your current financial situation - solicitors have seen worse believe me. Make sure you put aside your latest mortgage statement, latest bank statement, marriage certificate and any docs re: child benefit and tax credits. If you can find it a copy of his latest accounts and/or tax return as well as any pension and savings docs in either of your names.

Thirdly, consider reporting him. Even if you ring the local domestic violence unit and explain that you'd like to log an incident and for them to put a red flag on your address in case you need to make an urgent phonecall. I know this is the one piece of advice you won't want to follow. I know that. But you must take it seriously otherwise he will not and he will keep on pushing and pushing until you can't control him. He put his hands on you in front of your children - on multiple occasions. Show him you mean business.

Lost my lovey - please please look after yourself. I'm so glad that you've decided to ask your Mum to come. You sound as if you're trying to deal with this alone and you shouldn't. You can't. Your body is buckling under the stress of it all and your relationship with your children is suffering. You can't shield them from your husband's stupidity. That's his job, not yours. All you can do is make yourself a safe environment where your physical and mental health aren't pushed to their limits on a daily basis. Stop trying to save him - he's a big boy and he has to live with the consequences of his actions. Save yourself darling.

On a slightly lighter note (!) I remember your mentioning down-thread that his first wife was a nightmare. Was she really? Do you know this for sure or was it reported second hand via him? I'd put money on him being bitter and twisted about his first wife waking up to the fact that he was a wanker. It could be that she wasn't quite so nice about it when she found him out [pathetic attempt at humour I know!]

ParanoidPrue · 04/04/2012 22:41

Just seen your latest post Sad - you're not stupid nor a fool and your life hasn't been a lie. You've been a loving and loyal wife and no-one (least of all him) can berate you for that.

losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 22:52

Thank you prue Smile seriously every time you post you make me smile. Please don't worry about me physically, I think it sounds worse than it is. I'm not scared of him. Today was more of a wrestle, last night he was out of hand, but I'd just told him if he didn't leave, I'd packed the children up and go to my mums. That's when he lost it, he said I wasn't taking his kids away from him. Really, I don't think he'd ever hit me. Thank you for being concerned though. I'm not by all means saying what he did was okay, but I don't think he'd ever really hurt me.

I on the other hand, want to go to the caravan so i can push him off a cliff! I'm thinking an accidental boot up the bum as I ask him to see if the tides in? Then i can still claim on the insurance, problems solved Grin.

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losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 22:54

Probably shouldn't have posted my cunning plan on here, how anonymous is this site? Grin

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ParanoidPrue · 04/04/2012 23:01

Now that's made me smile Smile Oh oh, you could be like that Janine in 'Enders when Barry "accidentally" fell down that cliff and she smirked as he died ... defo showing my age now!

I know that you "know" he won't hurt you. It's not that I think he's going to batter you or anything - you're far too fiesty for that! It's just that I think you need to draw a line at what's acceptable and what's not. He needs that line for you - he's crossed so many in the past few weeks. This is a way of standing up for yourself that makes it absolutely crystal clear that you value yourself in a way he could never value a woman. That's the thing about porn and ows - they're symptomatic of a complete lack of respect for women. I know I sound like a total feminist and I make no apology for that! Using women as a cheap thrill in any way is totally indicative of a man who sees a woman as a thing - an object to be used at will and dropped at will.

Plus Lost - you don't really "know" him right now. So, if I'm honest, a teeny tiny part of me is worried for your safety - I make no apology for that either. The packed bag is your safety net - it's a symbol of the fact that you can get away any time and know that you have the basics. It'll make you stronger and if he knows you've done it - all the better.

As I say, my "steps" are as much to show him as to show yourself that you can do without him. And you can - it won't be easy but you can. I didn't think I'd say that before but I know that now because I did do without H and he knows I can do it again and again and again. Three kids - pah! We're superwomen, us!

losttheflickumdickumagain · 04/04/2012 23:20

Smile I know I've said this before prue, but I really think you're my hero Smile

I do like the bag idea, it's a very good plan, but if the idiot won't let me have the car I'll be a bit stuck. I'm good at walking , but Yorkshire to London is a bit of a trek, especially carrying luggage Grin.

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ParanoidPrue · 04/04/2012 23:30

um maybe not your ma then! Who's local to you that you can leave a bag with??

Joking aside, I know that feeling when they make you feel helpless. I've never told anyone this (and where better to say it than an open forum!) but H used to take my keys and phone when we rowed. Let's just say he doesn't do that anymore - I saw a solicitor who advised me that I would walk away with the little that we had - including the ruddy car! It was a massive massive turning point in our relationship and the power balance definitely shifted in my favour. Just saying like....

He needs a good hard kick up the arse Lost - a ruddy firm one right up the backside. You've got to gird your loins and forget for a while that you loved him and protected him all these years. It's the only way.

ps Blush at being a hero - will definitely PM you all my namechanges to shatter that illusion!

Charbon · 05/04/2012 00:44

So the affair is still going on? Have you fully accepted that now?

You really are going to have to take some drastic action. He is violent and aggressive to you in front of your children.

This is harming them.

I'm sorry to say, but if you stay with him you are harming them.

Please stop coming up with more ways to allow you to stay with him. What has he got to do to show you that he has no respect for you?

Even after repeated acts of aggression and violence, lie after lie after lie, the discovery and admission that he uses porn, evidence that he is still having an affair, assaulting you in front of the kids - you come back after each incident that is even worse than the last and tell us that you'd hoped that you could still sort things out.

Please stop doing this, if not for your own sake then for your children.

EggyFucker · 05/04/2012 07:33

Lost, I haven't checked your thread/situation for a little while

But I am most perturbed to see you still with him and contemplating a family holiday.

What more will it take for you to give up on this awful man and protect you and your dc ? Confused

losttheflickumdickumagain · 05/04/2012 09:48

Thank you so much everyone. I needed that kick up the bum. You're all right, while I'm grasping at straws my children are suffering.

You may all think I'm wrong, but I am still going with him and the children this weekend. It's important to them.

I've already booked an appt to see a divorce solicitor on Wednesday.

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Charbon · 05/04/2012 09:58

It's important to the children to be safe and in an atmosphere of stability and security.

So you're not going on this holiday because of them, because that makes no sense.

You're going because of you and it's best to admit that to yourself.

Either you don't want to be there on your own with the children, or you are still hoping that experiencing a 'happy family' trip will bring about change in your husband.

losttheflickumdickumagain · 05/04/2012 10:10

Believe it or not I am doing it for them. Maybe I am wrong, but it's definately not because I'm under any happy family illusion.

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