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Please - what do I do???

180 replies

Lynnlost · 05/02/2012 13:08

I just don't know what to do and would really appreciate any advice .....

We've been married 32 years, and though I've always believed in faithfulness and the importance of loyalty, it clearly means a lot less to my husband. Some examples are:

I've often overheard other people saying things like "she seems nice - not at all like he makes out"
He constantly put his his job above the family - even when our son was ill, his hospital visits were overshadowed by worry over my husband's bosses' objection to the absence
When he lost that job five years ago, all the discussions about it were with another female friend, never at home, though even that friend remarked that I supported him to the hilt when it all came out.
He schemed with his family to prevent me joining discussions about a home we'd hoped to build on their land back in 2003; when I found out and asked for an open discussion about this, he once again went behind my back to say it wouldn't be going ahead, blaming me for it all
He's even been kind enough (?!!) to tell me who he'd move onto if anything should happen to me

I finally found out last November that he was having cyber sex with some girl in the far east - also he visited prostitutes locally. Even then he lied, denying various aspects until I showed I could prove each one. He claims he did it for attention and excitement and said I provided neither, even though nothing had been said to me, and the things we do (holidays, seeing friends, etc) are nearly always organised by me with him doing almost nothing. He was upset to be found out but not in any way remorseful, and clearly expects me to just forget about the whole thing

That's now 3 months ago, and I still don't know where to turn. He's also been ill a couple of times over the last year and is currently out of action again, so I feel I've got to be the good little wife even more now - but for heaven's sake, do I have to be put at the bottom of the pile for ever??!!! I'm frightened of leaving my home and starting again alone, but really don't see how I can possibly trust him - it's also getting harder by the day even to respect him. I did my crying alone as he doesn't like scenes, but now I just feel numb. I really want to rebuild things, but he's not comfortable talking about anything personal and now I simply feel as if I'm waiting for the next betrayal.

What on earth do I do????

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kodachrome · 10/02/2012 16:44

Keep going with your plans to leave. If you feel you must support him (he doesn't deserve you to) while he gets over this second eye-op, then set a deadline for yourself (I suggest the projected recuperation time according to the doctor) and continue to work towards getting out.

You don't owe him even this - he has treated you monstrously over the years.

You know he'll revert to contempt. If the worst comes to the worst and he eventually loses his sight, do you really want to end up his skivvy and emotional punch-bag forever? Keep working on leaving. He will manage - there are services in place, there is family, there are friends. It isn't down to you. Don't sacrifice your whole life to a man who treats you like shit.

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 20:09

You know he'll revert to contempt ...

Yes I do - in fact even when I asked the doctor today about the outlook, he had to get in a nasty remark about "how negative she is" Actually, this time I probably deserved it, but then I'm just so tired of the endless problems and the only feelings he cares about are his own - always. Of course if I say this now I'll be accused of being unkind; whatever I say, I lose
Sorry to mention this again - it's just that it really does help to tell someone else sometimes .....

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ChitChatFlyingby · 10/02/2012 20:30

We're here and will remain here, for you!

Thinking of you.

oldqueenie · 10/02/2012 21:18

of course you can get proper info and help and make plans.... make sure you keep the appointments with solicitor and counsellor, do that for yourself. knowledge is power.

AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 21:23

just keep moving ahead with your plans

he will recover from his eye op

but he will never recover from being an absolute arsehole

I think I said upthread, how would it feel to be be wiping this man's arse in his dotage ?

leave while you still can

and dump the guilt in his lap...he has pushed you to this, what other alternative has he left you ?

but don't try to explain just do it

you will never justify yourself to him, so don't bother trying

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 21:49

How would it feel to be be wiping this man's arse in his dotage ?

Positively chilling, since you ask. Mind you, I won't need to; as I said, he's already told me who he'll "make an honest woman of" if I wasn't here ... I wonder if she'd want him now!!

Actually this has got me wondering - I always took that remark to be just another way of hurting me but without much behind it; now I wonder if he's been into her as well.....

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 21:51

who would he make an honest woman of ? Confused

AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 21:53

and why are waiting to be replaced ?

take yourself out of the "chilling" picture

I can think of nothing worse than just standing by here

take control, OP

move forward with your plans

this man is not worth the shit on your shoe

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 21:54

One of the girls who finds him work at the temp agency he works for .....
I'd always believed them to genuinely just be "working friends" but as I say, now I'm wondering; why should he pick her to say it about if ther's nothing in it?? No doubt if I mentioned it I'd be told I'm being stupid over that as well :-(

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 21:58

he seriously said he "would make an honest woman of her" (and by implication, discard you ?)

why are you still around to listen to this shit ?

why are you giving it head space ?

kodachrome · 10/02/2012 22:00

Well he thinks nothing of using prostitutes and cyber-sexing other women, so I doubt he'd baulk at cheating with a work colleague.

I wouldn't bother raising it with him - he bare-facedly lied and denied the things you could prove, so no way is he going to confess to something you only have suspicions about.

AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 22:02

discard him

he is defective

there is something wrong with him

something that needs to hurt and humiliate you

why would you stick around take it ?

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:04

Yes, he said it - believe me I'm not joking about this - I wish I was
I suppose I'm still here, at least at the moment, because each separate insult isn't quite so bad until you add it to all the others - does that make sense? Like you said, we all have our breaking points and I guess I've reached mine. I just can't imagine how I'm going to tell him, though - and I'm thoroughly fed up that this blasted job with his eye had to happen right now

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 22:07

don't tell him anything at all

just get on with it

all he needs to know is that your relationship is over

stop making excuses

I completely believe he said this, like I believe all the other shit he has done

what I don't understand is why you are still thinking he deserves an explanation as to why he has killed your love and respect for him

tell him to employ a private nurse if needs be to look after him...you owe him nothing

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:13

I know, I know - I'm working on it!!
3.30pm on Tuesday at the solicitor's .....
It's just so good to have folks to "talk" it over with in the meantime - I've felt on my own for so long ....

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kodachrome · 10/02/2012 22:15

Keep thinking and remembering and adding it all up.

He doesn't need you to explain it to him. He knows at base he has done more than enough horrible things that would end any marriage. He's just relying on you being so worn down and so habituated to his shit behaviour that he can carry on puffing himself about at your expense.

AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 22:15

you are not on your own here

keep your solicitor's appointment

don't stall, or go backwards

too many women end up in a caring role for men that hate them

don't let that be you

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:16

I wouldn't bother raising it with him - no way is he going to confess to something you only have suspicions about

Yes, I think you're right about this - anyway I have the complete transcript of his cyber sex because he did it via Facebook private messaging using his Blackberry; it was all there on the FB "messages" tab. Is this likely to be enough for a solicitor, do you know?? Or will they insist on proof of physical sex??

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kodachrome · 10/02/2012 22:16

You're doing great. You're not alone.

AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 22:18

the solicitor needs "proof" of nothing other than that you are not happy in your marriage

no proof is needed

you want out of your marriage, that is all

nobody is forced to stay in an unhappy situation...only yourself can keep you there

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:20

He knows he has done more than enough horrible things that would end any marriage

This is the only solitary bit I'm not so sure about ... he really is that deluded, or if he isn't he makes a damn good pretence of being so!! And don't forget, he claims absolutely anything I don't like is MY fault, not his - surely not the remark of a man who honestly knows he's in the wrong?

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Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:22

Yes, but don't I need "grounds" to divorce him? I realise you can just claim "irretrievable breakdown", but I'd like to at least be able to say why it's broken down - otherwise he'll forever be able to claim it was all my fault, like he does anyway

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AnyFucker · 10/02/2012 22:23

who cares what he thinks ?

his opinion is of no worth

this is the man who thinks you should STFU about his use of prostitutes and his threats about replacing you with another woman

you think his opinion is worth fuck-all ?

I don't

kodachrome · 10/02/2012 22:24

So what if he doesn't 'get' it - it's not your problem. He doesn't need to understand and if he's that deluded, you'll never make him understand anyway.

You don't need to prove adultery to get divorced, there are lots of ways out - but I daresay the transcript will go a fair way to vindicating you - and certainly would go towards unreasonable behaviour if it weren't enough for adultery.

Lynnlost · 10/02/2012 22:25

No, I no longer care what he personally thinks ... I have to protect myself, though, and won't any grounds I can mention make a difference to my financial settlement, perhaps?

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