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first time domestic violence advice wanted

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J4J · 24/01/2012 16:16

Should he stay or leave? I am so confused. I am married to a usually loving husband and have 4 small children. 2 days ago he became unusually angry and punched me in the face - I was knocked unconscious. It happened in front of all the children. When I came round my 4 year old daughter was holding me and crying shouting wake up. When I looked at her her first words were 'oh mummy I thought you were dead'. This is out of character for my husband. He was initially in denial and told me to get off the floor and stop pretending. It was not until my dad phoned him at work the following day and told him I was in hospital getting x-rayed that I think he realised what he did. This is a first offence so the police after arresting him when he got back from work released him with a caution. Do I let him stay in the house now. Part of me still loves him very much and another part of me is completely shocked and upset. I am really hurting inside and want things just to be normal. Statistically it may happen again but I'm not sure it will as he is a good man who needs to manage his anger but yet he knocked me out....

OP posts:
Tiredtrout · 25/01/2012 22:44

If you've done that with them it means that if there is any escalation and generally there is if he is allowed back into your home there will be evidence in the archives

J4J · 25/01/2012 22:56

Is it not more damaging for me to split with H? Chidlren from broken homes and all that? Especially if he does seek help and it really is the first and only time? Feeling frightened and can't stop crying. Have spoken to no one tonight only this forum and only 2 friends and my parents know about it all feeling alone and don't know anyone who has experienced this to talk to face to face

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Tiredtrout · 25/01/2012 23:02

It is not more damaging for children to be brought up in a stable calm home where they are not scared than in a home where they are worried that they or their Mum is going to be attacked.

This maybe the first time he has punched you, but has he ever pushed you, thrown things at you or shouted abuse at you in front of the kids. You've already said that he is too rough with the children and you have to intervene

oikopolis · 25/01/2012 23:02

Is it not more damaging for me to split with H?

No.

It is infinitely, infinitely worse to live with an abusive father than it is to live with an absent one. Really. I speak from experience.

You can recover from having a dad not live with you.
You can't recover from spending your childhood hoping your father won't murder your mother.

I am sorry you are hurting. Please realise that HE has done this to you. HE has hurt you. This is not your fault. so sorry.

cestlavielife · 25/01/2012 23:03

The home is broken because of this violence
Children need safe secure home and this cannot happen with him in it.
My dc blossomed after we left
It took time and there have been ups and downs but they are living I a home which is far from broken.

If you need to talk call Samaritans they will listen

Flisspaps · 25/01/2012 23:03

J4J No. It is far, far, FAR more damaging for children to witness abuse on a regular basis (and that includes bullying and emotional abuse) than to live in a secure, happy home with just one parent.

Not all children from 'broken homes' are damaged. I have divorced parents and even without abuse going on in their marriage I am forever thankful that they didn't endure, or make us witness them enduring, years of misery together.

Call Women's Aid. The number is upthread somewhere. They can listen to you, and offer you advice. They won't make you do anything, but you really, really need to realise that staying with your husband is a dangerous choice, not just for you but for your children - both physically and emotionally.

This isn't your fault, you didn't ask for or deserve this in any way, shape or form - but nor have your children, and it is your job now to make sure that they never, ever, EVER have to see you go through this again, or go through this themselves. You have the choice here, they do not.

Shenanagins · 25/01/2012 23:05

Sorry to hear about your experience but it is far more damaging for children to stay in a home with DV. They will be feeling scared and confused over what they have witnessed and you need to provide them with a safe environment. It is tough, but it will be best for you and your children in the long run.

There are a lots of professional help out there so please turn to them for help and advice.

Good luck.

cestlavielife · 25/01/2012 23:06

Or call 24 hour women's aid helpline talk to someone who understands.

www.womensaid.org.uk/landing_page.asp?section=000100010018

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cestlavielife · 25/01/2012 23:07

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StickAForkInMeImDone · 25/01/2012 23:09

Oh lovey Sad How is it ever preferable for children to be raised in a home where violence has occurred?
Read what I have written, what other posters have written. Growing up in a DV situation fucks you up.
If you are so sure that he will never do it again, then let him prove it. Tell him he can't come back, he has to get help, he has to live away from you for the forseeable future. What would his response be?
If he tells you that he "just knows" it won't happen again, he is lying
If he tells you it was partly your fault, he is lying.
If he tells you you have over reacted, he is lying.
If he tells you he will get help once he is back home, he is lying.
If he tells you that you are breaking up the family, he is lying.
If he tells you you aren't thinking of your DC he is lying.
If he says any of those things then this will happen again.

If he agrees to live away from you, gets the help he needs and doesn't put pressure on you to let him move back, well, who knows. Maybe.
Is it worth risking your DC health and happiness?

cestlavielife · 25/01/2012 23:16

www.nationaldomesticviolencehelpline.org.uk/

0808 2000 247 this 24 hour phone support call them

izzyskungheifatchoy · 25/01/2012 23:18

This is why you have been advised make contact with Women's Aid. They will understand how you are feeling and give you the support and advice you need to bring about positive change in your life and the lives of your dc.

I can assure you that it will be infinitely more damaging for your children to remain in a house in which their abusive violent father is living than to live with you alone in a 'broken home'.

If he seeks help and you give consideration to a possible reconciliation at some point, it will be necessary to ensure that he stays away from your home until such time as he has completed an anger management or similar programme, and has demonstrated over a considerable further period of time that he is able to control his temper.

It may be the 'first and only time' he has knocked you unconscious but, based on what you have said, this is not the 'first and only time' that your dc have witnessed and/or been subjected to their father's abusive behaviour, is it?

HoudiniHissy · 25/01/2012 23:21

PLEASE call WA, they are marvellous! They understand and they can listen to you. Otherwise, keep talking to us.

You have to keep him away from you, you have to protect yourself.

ToothbrushThief · 25/01/2012 23:27

OP - I split up.

I guess you'd call my DC 'from a broken home' then? They are successful, blossoming and happy FYI

It was a broken home before I made him leave. My DC have told me that they know it was the right thing and they wished we'd done it sooner because the tension before the divorce was horrendous.

You become desensitised to it. Once you're away from it it's like a heavy weight has been lifted for you and your children

I know why you are clinging on. You want him to return and for it to be alright. The little voice in your head says:Just ignore this once and he will change... he'll be so shocked that he'll come back and make an effort etc etc etc

I thought the same after one awful night of violence.

I lasted another 9 yrs which were marred by emotional abuse which tbh I found far more damaging to me, than physical. No physical violence ever again - he didn't need to. I knew what he was capable of and I wasn't frightened of him hitting me -I was frightened of what it would mean (splitting up). So I walked on eggshells for 9 yrs.

It is not a good way to live. The tension is horrendous. All happiness is sucked out of the family home.

ToothbrushThief · 25/01/2012 23:29

I know WA is often promoted on MN. In my area they were obviously thin on the ground and the response I had was not helpful. I doubt this would be the case for you OP, but if it is, do not be deterred.

NannyPlumIsMyMum · 25/01/2012 23:32

j4j did you read my post about serious mental health problems in young children affected by DV ?
That is a reality.
I have yet to come across a child who tries to stab himself in the stomach with a kitchen knife because mummy and daddy separated ... But I have met a child who did the same because he saw daddy hurt mummy and he felt entirely helpless, and wondered if it was all his fault that it happened in the first place ....

solidgoldbrass · 25/01/2012 23:41

No, OP. It is far far more dangerous for you to allow this man back into the home. He is already physically aggressive towards the children, so they are in serious danger; he's knocked you unconscious for 'disobedience', he thinks it's all right to use this level of violence against members of his family. He will hit the DC this hard, too. And soon.

Heyyyho · 25/01/2012 23:41

Please heed the advice given so laboriously on this thread.

Don't involve these poor children in the dangerous drama of your relationship.
Put them first, they sound completely damaged from the abuse that surrounds them. I just hope and pray they will be ok as they are helpless and vulnerable in this scenario. I don't think from what you say that you will split with him. They have no choice .

kingbeat23 · 25/01/2012 23:51

j4j this is so shocking reading it from the other side of the screen, but I remember the bouts of denial I went through with DH even though he had physically abused me.

The first time he raped me, I thought I'd made it up and that it was all my fault and that it was a figment of my imagination. That I was to blame.

When he put his hands around my throat and made jokes about wanting to kill me and then laugh it off as if it was nothing, I thought he didn't mean it and had a very strange sense of humour.

When he told me that when DD was older if she stepped out of line that he would beat her, I thought it was a product of his upbringing.

When he used to verbally abuse me and call me names, I thought it was again, a strange sense of humour.

Then he started saying that he would kidnap DD, take her back to his country and I would never see him or her again, so I hid her passports and birth certs in my parents house, I knew he could get false ones, so I didn't leave him with her for long. But then, he knew that and that meant he knew I was scared.

He would make it impossible for my friends to visit as he was distant, unattached, rude and non-verbal with them. They stopped visiting and I didn't go out on my own as he would make it so unbearable, wither asking where I was and who I was with or the worst time got so drunk he fell asleep on her floor after drinking half a bottle of whisky. I came home to find that.

Then he raped me again and this time I wasn't so sure anymore I knew it would only get worse and the things is, I had a gut feeling that he would continue on with DD if he gave up on me.

I wondered what kind of cliche I was now stereotyping myself with, being a single mum in a council house with an absent father, but you know what? DDs behaviour started to go downhill, she was tantruming at the age of 15 months with violent headbanging so bad she would have bumps down her forehead for weeks.

I made the decision for him to go and even though it was the toughest decision I have ever had to make, it is the best one I have ever done. I ended up having to bar any contact from him and now he cannot come within 100 metres of us. i dread to think what will happen when she goes to school, will he come and find us again? Will he try and take her? How can I carry on trying to do both parents job. I'm not going to lie, it's fucking hard being a single mum, but her tantrums have stopped, her headbanging has stopped, I gt amazing advice from The Nia Project who explained how abuse starts and works and how pervasive and subtle it all is, how the defense mechanisms work and kick in, how the denial creeps up you as they have put it there in the first place.

Who cares why he hit you? he did it and that is unforgiveable...make the change of whatever fuckingcycle he is reliving and make sure your kids aren't visually/physically/emotionally/mentally affected by wiatching thier mum being treated worse than a piece of shit on a shoe.

You can do this.
You are strong enough.
You have more powers than you can possibly imagine.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 25/01/2012 23:51

So, in fact, this is the first time he has been physically abusive to you, whereas it normally is the kids? You say you usually try to stop him when he manhandles the kids. That is good. You should make sure you highlight this fact to the ss when they visit, so they realize that you are trying to protect your children from the abuse.

I wish you the best for tomorrow.

NigellaLawless · 25/01/2012 23:51

Growing up with a (safe and caring) single parent will be in no way damaging to your children. Growing up with a violent and unpredictable parent puts your children at huge risk of physical abuse, which could easily result in them being killed by that parent.

OP, I am sorry you are suffering so much and I understand that it can take time to come to accept the fact that your husband is abusive. But please try and be realistic about this. Your husband is a risk to the lives of your children, I promise you I am not scaremongering!

It is important that you try and get your head around this as soon as possible. Because should you take your husband back into your home Children's Services may well feel that it is safer to remove your children and place them elsewhere.

forkful · 25/01/2012 23:58

OP - you have had good and consistent advice here. You need to stop thinking of this as being a sudden one-off.

Your relationship was already abusive. Sad

I just need to add in the strongest possible terms that your H staying with your parents if massively massively fucked up. You cannot rely on your parents for any support given this hideous state of affairs.

If your H has a "high powered" job then why the fuck does he not book himself into a hotel?

forkful · 26/01/2012 00:02

is massively massively fucked up

QuintessentiallyShallow · 26/01/2012 00:06

It truly is fucked up that he is staying there. He has cut off your most important line of support by being there. He is one manipulative and abusive man isnt he.
He is in fact getting support from your parents. While you have nothing, and you cant even call them to talk to them in private, because he is there.

He should get himself a hotel, or a bedsit.

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