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It's all gone wrong again...

340 replies

ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 15/11/2011 14:27

Again agree tigermoll

OP you are neither stupid or a sap for falling for this guy. He MADE you believe what he said - by reiterating it to you over and over "I love you, want to be with you forever" etc etc.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 15/11/2011 14:30

A relationship/marriage is about working through the bad with the good, taking the rough with the smooth. Someone like 'him' doesnt seem to have it in him to be that sort of person, you are right there OP.
And yes relationships do change over time, to sustain that initial passion takes a lot of hard work and it is easier to do when it is just you and him, not so easy when everyday life has to feature into the equation, work, kids, money issues.

He has tried marriage previously and it didnt work out, neither did being a father and I suspect he hasnt quite grown up or away from mummies apron strings. Sad

Charbon · 15/11/2011 16:03

I know you don't want to believe this ThoughtsPlease but I truly think he has either met someone else or has possibly hooked up with his ex again. What he's saying doesn't ring true does it? That he has been feeling uncertain 'for months'. That's probably because it isn't true. I'm also assuming that his behaviour over the weekend and telling you to fuck off, slamming the phone down on you, is shocking to you - and behaviour you'd never thought him capable of?

Is his ex in a new relationship now? If she's always seemed normal and friendly to you (despite the picture he painted of her) it wouldn't be a bad idea to give her a ring and ask for her advice about how you can forge a relationship between her children and their new half-sibling. You might find out quite a lot from her about the situation, I think.

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 16:31

Charbon - I really do not think he has met someone else, I really don't. His ex-wife who he separated from 5 years has a new partner, I sincerely doubt that they would ever get back together.

What he said was that he had been recently trying to convince himself that he meant what he said over the last few months, not that for the last few months he had not been meaning it, and actually trying convince himself he did for all those months, IYSWIM. I think reality suddenly hit him, and he just thought this is too much, and he then tried to convince himself he wanted the family thing, but doesn't really want all that it actually entails.

His recent behaviour I really do think is explained by him not wanting the responsibility, feeling crap about it, and behaving badly as he knows he is being a shit but just can't help himself as ultimately he is selfish.

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ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 21:19

Oh I'm back feeling really bad again, I can speak to people all day, and work through it, and manage, and then now I'm alone just keep crying for what I've lost, what we had and I miss what I thought was true love, yes it all happened very fast but I had never felt that before, and apparently neither had he. Sad Angry

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HerdOfTinyElephants · 15/11/2011 21:51

Of course you feel that way. A week ago you were looking forward to welcoming and raising a new baby with the man you loved, and that's all been swept out from under your feet. You wouldn't be normal if you were back on an even keel straight away, or for some time. You are strong, and you will manage, but you need some emotional support for yourself too.

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 22:02

Thanks herd, the problem is I seem to find it easier to go about my day being as normal as possible, busy at work and with my children, and even with my family and friends, somehow it seems better to act as if I am coping and then I believe that I am, IYSWIM, otherwise I think I would just break down completely.

Kind of a case of act like I am coping and eventually I will be, I keep having little bursts of tears, usually just after taken my dds to school and I think of another day ahead, or like now at the end of the day.

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Bluebelle38 · 15/11/2011 22:13

The outbursts are normal... don't feel bad about that! Just keep going, give yourself some credit, TP xx

rightchoice · 15/11/2011 23:26

You go on acting as if you coping, and one day you will not be acting. Little bursts of tears are completely normal, you are doing amazingly well to have gone through the shock of your life, but you are still working, doing the school run, and sorting the children out as well as being pregnant and full of questions. Big pat on the back is deserved. You are amazing. Hope you get some sleep.

ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 09:27

I now keep thinking that he might just have got cold feet and may decide to come back, I haven't heard from him since sunday, even about collecting his and his children's stuff.

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/11/2011 09:54

oh TP please dont live in hope that he will change his mind. Even if he did, would you seriously take him back considering how he just upped and left over nothing?

He is not the man for you, he isnt a good father figure and he is not a very nice man either. Sad

ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 10:00

But I feel that I want more than anything to all be back together again, people make mistakes and come to their senses don't they?!

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tigermoll · 16/11/2011 10:02

I don't know whether this is good advice or not, but sometimes when I've been in a r/ship that ended (although never quite in your situation) I have decided that, as a coping strategy, I am going to assume that, at some point in the future, the lying, cheating toe-rag WILL come crawling back to me. This means that, rather than feeling utterly bereft, I can get through the immediate aftermath of the breakup. By the time I am ready to face the fact that he isn't coming back, I'm usually a bit stronger.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/11/2011 10:03

He isnt going to though lovey, he has made his feelings quite clear. Of course you want to play happy families with him. It makes things all nice and neat and easy, but that isnt the reality.

Reality is he duped you, got you pregnant, promised you all would be fine then dumped you at the first tiny hurdle. Sad He doesnt want to talk, he doesnt want to be with you - otherwise he would be calling you, meeting up with you to talk and it would be ALL his doing. Please dont contact him. Its just not going to turn out well.

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/11/2011 10:06

Not sure if that would help TP though tiger OP is hormonal, emotional and desperately wanting a happy outcome, where the Ex comes strolling in, declares undying love, wanting the baby and magically turning the situation into a fairy tale ending.

tigermoll · 16/11/2011 10:11

...having said that, I bet he will, at some point, contact you with a pathetic attempt at getting back together. In a few months, or even a year, he will be feeling low and assume he can run back to you. He will spout a load of lines about how he was 'scared' of his feelings, and how he only ran away because of how he'd been hurt in the past, but now really wants to make it work, and how it's never been like this with anyone else, and will you really say no to being a proper family?

And you know what you will do? You will LAUGH IN HIS FACE. Because by then, you will have had your baby, and coped magnificently, and be such a strong, wonderful person who values herself highly, surrounded by your happy and loving family. You will see him for the tiny, whining child he is, and all his silly bleating will mean nothing to you at all.

ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 10:28

Tiger - you are right I think there is a natural sort of coping mechanism to still have some hope or I may just lose it completely! And yes I may well be stronger when I realise it is not going to happen?!

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ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 11:27

Jax - I don't mean right now I mean if he realised that actually he had made a mistake in the near or distant future, his mum basically said he had always been a bit of a lost boy, like now confused about what he did/ didn't/does want!

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 16/11/2011 14:05

What a shame that his mother or someone else didn't pass that information on to you before.

If he's a 'lost boy' at the age of 37 it's down to his mummy and others having enabled him by continually making excuses for his behaviour rather than pulling him on it - isn't it curious that he's not so 'lost' that he can't find his way back to his parental home?

He's not coming back, honey. He's not going to be struck by a thunderbolt of realisation that he does love you after all, or some such claptrap worthy of Mills & Boon. He's not going to see your gradually swelling belly and be filled with remorse because he doesn't 'do remorse', and because he's going to be too busy avoiding you.

In short, he's a creature of habit and he's done to you what he's done to other women. You're not the first and you won't be the last to fall for his spiel.

In the unlikely event that he makes any attempt at reconciliation, I hope you will recall the hurt he has caused by his lies and know that, if you are stupid enough to believe anything that comes out of his mouth, he'll take you for another ride that will end with you checking into the heartbreak hotel again.

ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 14:34

Oh I see izzy - so people who have has failed relationships don't ever then find one that works or people don't ever realise they have made mistakes? I see I always thought that was possible.

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/11/2011 18:27

Thats not what Izzy said at all TP but you seem to be living in a state of hope and that isnt a good place for your head to be. Sad

ThoughtsPlease · 16/11/2011 18:41

So what did she say then? Confused

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 16/11/2011 20:31

Im not going to interpret what she said TP, her post is pretty self explanatory.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 16/11/2011 20:42

I would have thought it's obvious what I've said and it's there for all to see in, albeit faint, black and white.

However, to clarify: he didn't want to be with you so he left.. He doesn't think he's made any mistake in leaving you and he won't be coming back.

I'm suggesting you get real and stop entertaining any fantasy that he's going to be on your doorstep sobbing his heart out, swearing his undying love, and begging your forgiveness, because it just ain't going to happen.

He doesn't love you and he doesn't care for you, otherwise he would have made a more graceful and less hurtful exit instead of baldy stating that the predicament you find yourself in is your fault for believing his lies.

Ask yourself what kind of heartless bastard leaves a woman who is pregnant with his child with a line like that? Not one that would ever get through any door of mine again, that's for sure.

The sooner you realise that it's over and that he won't be coming back, the sooner you can stop torturing yourself with false hope and get on with the rest of your life

rightchoice · 16/11/2011 22:01

You are pining not for what you had, but what you THOUGHT you had. He deceived you. To you it was real love, to him it was a 'a line', a blag. He actually told you himself he said things, and then tried to convince himself he meant them. So.... even if he came back, all you would have back is the lie. Be careful what you wish for. Don't wish his lies back into your life. Greive, mourn, kick and shout and then find strength and peace, don't let him turn you into a victim. You and yours deserve more.

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