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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 20:47

Yes god forbid he had to part with any money just to have more responsibility and be more organised with another child to look after!

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rightchoice · 13/11/2011 21:16

Happy Birthday Thoughts. Thinking about you yesterday and today (een away for the weekend) just got in and it has taken me ages to read through yesterday and today's thread. Well I said early on that he was a hypocrite, but honestly Thoughts even I am gobsmacked that a so called man can say all those 'lovely' things an make those promises, and then BLAME you for believing him. I have heard some things like all of us but this guy is LOW. Oh not surprised I was right about him sponging off of mummy and daddy. What must they think of him, I bet they just close their eyes and say here we go again. If only other women could be warned before he destroys their lives too. He will, he will.

Hope your parents were supportive.You will start to feel better when you consider all your options. Consider all your options carefully. I care how you are. Just keep posting and what ever you do here is one poster who feels for you and sends her heart out to you. x

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 21:39

Thank you rightchoice.

My parents were very shocked, upset, but yes supportive.

Yes I actually laughed out loud at him when he said I was partly to blame for believing him, then I got a bit cross and said don't you dare turn this around and say it is my fault, it is yours alone!

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Portofino · 13/11/2011 21:44

Sorry but why does not puttinhg a father on the bc deserve a smiley? Your child has a faher. He might be a fuckwit but he IS a father. He should be told that he needs to contribute financially and play a part in his child's life. Not a smiley.

rightchoice · 13/11/2011 21:51

It so is - what I can't get my head around is that he said he has been TRYING to convince himself that he meant what he was saying, what sort of pathetic person does something so life changing as saying he wants to create a child with you and then has to convince himself he meant it, week after week after week. Then one day he says naah, changed my mind now, I'm off, give me all my stuff back (that you bought), mummy will pay, and by the way I want it today. I bet he went to his mum stamped his foot, had a tantrum, and sucked his thumb until she went on line and transferred the dosh. !!

RumourOfAHurricane · 13/11/2011 21:55

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rightchoice · 13/11/2011 21:55

Oh and I bet when he saw her pres PAY NOW, he had a little sneeky grin to himself, and thought KNEW SHE WOULD.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 22:31

Portofino.....it made me smile when I've been feeling shit that was all.

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Portofino · 13/11/2011 22:36

I know you feel shit, but your uborn child still has a father. The advice was to deny his existence. Take it from me, I have a shit father, but he is my father and I know who he is. That is very important.

Portofino · 13/11/2011 22:40

This is not about contact or anything. I do my family tree and was contacted by a near relative who was "farmed out" due to being illegitmate. It has caused him life long misery.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 22:46

I am well aware that he is our unborn child's father and would certainly not be not allowing contact or anything like that. I still don't really anything wrong with just having a smile at what was said!

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Tattymum · 13/11/2011 22:51

Happy Birthday ThoughtsPlease
I saw your thread on Friday and am shocked at developments since!
Unbelievable, you must be shell shocked - my 10 y o has better grace that that.
I hope that you're OK, look after yourself and DCs.
He's probably given you the best possible Birthday present - your freedom and sanity, doesn't feel like it now but next year you'll be grateful (hugs)

babyhammock · 13/11/2011 22:53

I think that not putting on the BC would be sensible actually until he demonstrates that he's not going to behave like a complete twat (well more than he has already) and make OPs life very difficult one way or another once the baby is here.
Its not denying his existence, but it is a piece of paper that gives OP some control over things seeing she's the responsible, capable, sensible one out of the two of them.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 23:34

Exactly, bh - and FTR, it is sound advice.

  1. As she is not married, the OP cannot add the father's name to the BC unless he is present at the time the birth is registered.
  1. It's a moot point because it highly unlikely that this man is going to make himself available to register the birth unless there's something in it for him.
  1. If he steps up to the plate and proves to be a responsible df, his name can be added at a later date.
izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 23:39

You're talking about a completely different issue, Portofino.

The OP has no intention of 'farming' any of her dc out and I doubt that she has any intention of failing to tell any of hers child who its father is.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 14/11/2011 03:40

I need a new set of fingers - or one of those 'speak & it types it' gadgets.

'any child of hers who its father is'.

Keep smiling, TP. It's always far better to laugh than cry and you'll need a dark sense of humour to keep you laughing through what he's done to you.

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 09:27

Can I say I don't want him to come to register the birth if he did say he wanted to?

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 14/11/2011 09:38

Has the money gone into your account yet?

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 10:30

Yes it has

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 14/11/2011 10:35

Well, that's a start. Is he taking the bunk beds? Does he have a way of collecting them if he is?

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 10:49

Yes not sure when though, they will take a while to take apart they have all shelves and stuff attached to them, he will need to bring someone with him.

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ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 12:13

Oh I am really struggling today, I am at work and just feel so lacking in confidence and energy, and just feel pretty f*ing useless really.

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Bluebelle38 · 14/11/2011 12:55

Hi Tp

You are going to have good and bad days... for a while yet. Stay strong, things will not always be this way. This will pass and you will find peace again.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 14/11/2011 14:41

Of course you feel like shit today - you've had a horrible emotional shock and are feeling the aftermath.

Unfortunately, as is the lot of so many of us, you can't afford the luxury of wallowing because you have work to do, dds to entertain and feed after school, and no doubt some household chores that will need completing before tomorrow.

Once the dds are tucked into bed, you'll be able to take stock of your situation and decide what is best for you and the dds and, to this extent, you do need to have some very serious words with yourself.

In the meantime, you can restore some of your damaged self-esteem by resolving that the heartless twunt doesn't get to call any more shots and that, from today, you are gong to be dictating terms.

This means he doesn't get to spend hours in your home dismantling bunk beds as it is not in the best interests of either you or the dds to have him polluting your space, especially as you will inevitably get particularly upset if you see him in your home.

If you don't know anyone who can help disassemble the beds, he will need to provide 2 people to do the job and remove them from your home together with his belongings. Needless to say, this work can only be undertaken at a time that that is convenient to you.

After the beds have gone, move back into your bedroom, make your home your own again, and vow that you will never again expose your dds to the consequences of moving a man you barely know into your home.

With regard to the bc, you are not obliged to inform him either prior to or after any birth nor are you required to accede to any request he may make to accompany you to the Registry Office when any birth is registered.

In short, as you are not married to him, he has no rights in law in respect of any birth and will continue to have none unless he makes applicaton to a Court.

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 15:04

Thanks bluebelle and izzy.....Smile

He actually gave me £600 more than the cost of the beds etc, (or rather his mum did, perhaps she feels very guilty or something) I had made a comment the other day that I had provided for him and his children recently.

Yes I really do want to remain in control of this, I am not looking forward to potentially seeing him at the activities that all children attend after school on Fridays and Saturdays, but I am hoping, that he will be too bloody chicken and drop his girls off early and then abandon them, as he did this week, probably to avoid seeing me! Truthfully, I also feel very self-conscious about people talking there, he has been taking his children longer than I have as they are older, but I do know the staff there form many years ago when I was a child, but he has had much more contact in recent years. I feel a bit stupid and like they might think it is my fault, as on the surface he comes across as such a nice guy, god I was fooled. But many mothers there did comment on how good I was to be there with all 4 children, when he was off playing in his band or something else. They initially assumed he was at home making dinner, and I said no!

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