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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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gettingeasier · 14/11/2011 16:43

What an awful situation to be in I am really sorry , its easy to judge and say you hurried things with him but none of us are perfect thats for sure

In all honesty he sounds utterly vile and telling you so callously to just do what you like re the pregnancy beggars belief Sad

I imagine the coming weeks will be emotionally very tough but you can comfort yourself with the core fact that at least you havent invested too much of your life with a person like that.

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 18:14

Thank you gettingeasier.....

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 14/11/2011 18:27

The stark reality,gettingeasier, is that if TP proceeds with this pg she will have the spectre of this twunt in her life for a very long time indeed and the child will suffer when, as will inevitably happen, it discovers the true nature of its father.

Portofino · 14/11/2011 19:34

Steady izzy! My dad is a complete twunt, but it hasn't ruined my life. It is a big step to think of termination at this stage. TP needs a chance to gather her thoughts...

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 19:59

I'm not going to have a termination, it is too late for me to do that.

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gettingeasier · 14/11/2011 20:30

Yes izzy I have worked that out but stark reality isnt something the OP is ready to face just yet what 4 days in ?

Luckily you are here to keep her on track. My advice would be to tread very carefully with advice going down that route , do you have any experience in terminations ?

Again OP I am so very sorry you are going through this

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 20:41

getting easier.....are you asking me if i have any experience of terminations?

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ballstoit · 14/11/2011 20:43

ThoughtsPlease My ex-h had an affair with one of the leaders from my children's creche. Several other parents knew about it, and one of the other leaders. I was devastated and hugely embarassed.

I'll tell you what my lovely friend told me...being fooled by an arsehole is something that happens to everyone at one time or another. Hold your head high, pin a smile on your face...the ones that judge are ones whose opinions are not worth worrying over, the ones that don't are the ones you keep as friends.

You have nothing to be ashamed of, and you WILL be fine with your 3 DC.

pinkytheshrunkenhead · 14/11/2011 20:44

walk away from the termination discussion TP - you have been clear (as far as I am concerned you have been completely against the idea from the start). Pleased for you that you have the money sorted out and he has made himself very clear so please for your own sake walk away, communicate with him no more and for goodness sakes do not put the feckless twat on the BC.

So sorry you feel like shit love, you and your dds deserve so much better than this.

ThoughtsPlease · 14/11/2011 21:35

ballstoit - thanks that is reassuring, I don't know whether to say anything to anyone or just wait until it becomes obvious, I know that he hasn't yet, but they will start to talk about the fact that all of a sudden all the children are not arriving together anymore etc.

pinky - yes I think I need to stop thinking about the termination issue, it is something I never thought I'd be able to do, yes it will mean he will be around forever, but my 2 dds father is an arsehole too, and the girls and I have come through it ok, and while it is not perfect for them, I do believe that they are happy and will not be seriously affected by it, let's face it, we are all exposed to events and issues that are tough as children and adults, none of my children will grow up in some completely dysfunctional family, there are enough people who care enough to ensure that they can be as happy as the next person.

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ChippingInNeedsSleep · 15/11/2011 02:07

Bollocksing MN - just typed a long reply and it went off line - grrrr

Basically...

Good re the money, he owes you a lot more than an extra £600 considering how long you have been keeping him (& his kids at times).

I'm pleased you have decided not to have a termination. You wanted the baby when you conceived it, it wasn't an accident. I think it's a rare person who can terminate under those circumstances and not be completely screwed up by it.

I think the people at the childrens' classes will give you plenty of opportunity to tell them - intentionally or unintentionally. They'll say something like 'Did you bring all the kids today?' and you can say 'No, x dropped his off earlier. We aren't together anymore. He decided that family life isn't for him. It's a shame he hadn't thought that through when he decided we should have a baby together and got me pregnant Hmm, but that's life Smile. It's getting cold isn't it, I think winter is finally here....'

mycherubs · 15/11/2011 08:10

sorry to read through your thread - but i think youre handling this amazingly - i would be a mess on the floor! you really do sound like youre better off without him, the child man he is. good luck with everything i hope you are ok today, you sound like a lovely mum to your girls - you arent the first person to have experienced this and you certainly wont be the last. stay strong.

mycherubs · 15/11/2011 08:10

i meant to say sorry to read you ahve gone through this!

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 09:35

Thanks mycherubs - I have my moments of breaking down in tears, I did last night just before going to bed, but the support from on MN is incredible really, it really helps so thank you all so much.

Chipping - that's it a termination would screw me up I think, and I would blame him and be bitter and resentful of what he had done and what I lost my 3rd child whose arms and legs and head and tiny body I have seen, and its little heart beating, no way could I do it.

Somehow I still keep thinking this is my fault now, perhaps I shouldn't have asked when he was going to contribute some money, or do something to help, last week, I said it clearly to him, there was no argument or anything I just said how I felt, perhaps it came across wrong to him as if I was telling him what to do or something, but that is not a reason to leave is it? I don't think I was unreasonable in what or how I said it, actually by now he should have taken the initiative and paid some on his own!

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HerdOfTinyElephants · 15/11/2011 09:41

He told you you would work through any problems together. The first time there was anything approaching a "problem" (even taking his viewpoint and assuming that your asking him to contribute some money was a "problem") he bailed. No, that's not your fault.

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 10:23

Thanks herd

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mycherubs · 15/11/2011 10:27

i dont think youve done anything wrong - the guy needs to grow the hell up - you would think after having 2 kids already but no - why is he now working part time thats incredibly lazy as a man with no kids to look after on a daily basis - that would have been a huge red flag for me - but as someone else has said - you start feeling better, getting your life on track and youre filled with hope when you meet someone and they say all the right things - its not your fault

tigermoll · 15/11/2011 10:52

Somehow I still keep thinking this is my fault now, perhaps I shouldn't have asked when he was going to contribute some money, or do something to help, last week

That it ended is not in any way your fault, - the cowardly idiot had probably been waiting for weeks for any excuse to flounce out, saying 'this isn't working'. If it hadn't been that day, it would have been the next.

He told you himself that he realised weeks ago that it wasn't something he wanted, but kept going through the motions. He is a weak, cruel, selfish and thoughtless person, who doesn't seem to think that he has to do anything he doesn't want to, regardless of who it affects. Stacked up next to that, whether you asked him for some money for the household wouldn't make a difference either way.

(PS so sorry for you, OP, - this is a horrible, crushing situation for you, and you are doing so, so well)

JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 15/11/2011 10:59

I am sorry OP but no matter what you said or did he was going to run sooner rather than later.

I agree with tigermoll all you can do is move forward, learn from this and do the best you can for your family.

Try not to contact him or have anything to do with him or his children (obviously be polite to the children) and keep speaking to your friends in RL who will help you make sense of this.

Stay strong, you havent done anything wrong.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 15/11/2011 11:22

Of course it's not your fault - He said he had been trying to convince himself that he meant what he said repeatedly over the course of the months

Months. Months. Not the few days since you mentioned the money. Months.

You've only been together months and for months he's been doing that, all the while spouting being in it forever/working through anything yadda yadda yadda & getting you pregnant under false pretences.

His fault entirely.

As I said earlier (or maybe it was part of what was deleted?!) I think that you should continue to make an effort with his children and depending on how your two feel, maybe have them over for tea & to play etc. They are, after all, all going to be the babies siblings. You could be like an Aunt to them and enable them all to have a bond. It's what I'd try to do anyway.

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 12:27

Perhaps I really am stupid, but I actually think he did think he meant what he said when he repeatedly said it, but once it became really clear to him in the last week that I really did expect him to contribute financially and make a bit more effort in the house, he just thought oh god she does mean it, I'm off, this is too much responsibility, I thought she was going to do all this, and had I just done it, he would not have left, but obviously that would have been stupid and made me miserable in the end anyway!

When I told him the other day that I didn't understand, he said I don't expect you to understand! I actually think he couldn't possibly really admit that the reality had suddenly hit him, and I do think that is what happened. Remembering that him and his ex-wife split when their children were 2 and 5, mine are 4 and 5 now, I think he had forgotten what young children are like day in day out and the effort and organisation required.

mycherubs - he told me that he could do overtime or work for his dad and get paid on the other days, but it didn't seem to materialise. He spent days off choosing new equipment for his band. He said if he worked full time he would have to do some weekends and then would spend less time with his children, but when I think of that now, he leaves at their activities all day anyway and plays in his band and left them with me or his mum, at work earning money is a far more reasonable reason to have to spend a bit of time away from your children.

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ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 12:38

chipping - I know what you are saying about keeping the communication with his children and mine, but right now I just feel as if I would just be seen still as another babysitter for him!

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JaxTellerIsMyFriend · 15/11/2011 12:49

While I think your attitude toward his children shouldnt change, I do think you need to say NO to looking after them, having them for tea etc. And while they will be your babies half siblings (complicated much?) it is up to your ExP to sort contact etc out, not you.

He wanted a mummy figure to look after him, cook, clean, and leave him to 'play' / study. When the tiniest of responsibility was on him he scarpered.

tigermoll · 15/11/2011 13:14

Perhaps I really am stupid, but I actually think he did think he meant what he said when he repeatedly said it,

No, of course you're not really stupid. You've just been devastated by the cruel actions of man who had gone out of his way to make you trust him.

I'm sure he DID mean it when he said how much he loved you in the beginning. We all know what it's like to be so madly, overwhelmingly wrapped up in someone that you think 'This is it. This love changes everything and lasts forever, and everything will be alright, as long as we are together'.

Problem is, that is infatuation talking. When the mists clear and you can think straight again, you often find out that what you had was a great deal of passion and obsession, and not much else. And rather than do the decent thing, your man attempted to convince you and himself that it was all still there.

but once it became really clear to him in the last week that I really did expect him to contribute financially and make a bit more effort in the house, he just thought oh god she does mean it, I'm off, this is too much responsibility, I thought she was going to do all this, and had I just done it, he would not have left

Reality intruded. If it wasn't the money or the housework, it would have been something else. What happened was the excitement and novelty wore off, and he realised that now he had to face real life. You could have run around, picking up after him and being the perfect hausfrau, but that wouldn't have been enough to keep him. He would see you as ever less exciting, as you became, in his eyes, ever more connected with domesticity and family.

Why did he think he wanted it (family life with another baby) in the first place? My guess is, he'd just taken a knock in his self-esteem/career/emotional life, and felt in need of some comfort. As soon as he starts feeling a bit better, his natural selfishness reasserts.

but obviously that would have been stupid and made me miserable in the end anyway!

Well said!

ThoughtsPlease · 15/11/2011 14:27

So is it just me or is a man like that just not capable of being an adult in an adult relationship, the passion etc had never gone.

That initial feeling before the everyday life things have to done together changes anyway doesn't it, and then you work through the issues which inevitably arise together, but without giving that a chance many people surely would walk away quite quickly at the slightest annoyance!

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