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It's all gone wrong again...

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ThoughtsPlease · 11/11/2011 19:14

Hi there, I could really do with some thoughts and advice here please. Sorry this is long.

Since 1998 I had been a single parent after the father of my 2 children, who were then just about to turn 1 and 2 years, decided to leave. I managed to work through all the shit and come out ok. Earlier this year I met someone who I have known of rather than known since I was a child. Everything seemed to happen very fast, and within months we were talking of marriage and another child together. He has 2 children from his previous marriage which ended 5 years ago.

So we stopped using contraception, and I became pregnant almost instantly. He has moved in with me and my 2 children, his children come to stay every weekend. I am now 3.5 months pregnant. I returned to work part time in September when my youngest started reception. I have felt very sick and tired for the last few months.

We were both very happy about it all, and all the children have been getting on very well, and it has seemed great. I have to admit to feeling very nervous at the start of it all going pear shaped having experienced one disastrous relationship with 2 children involved, but he assured me that he had never loved anyone like this, this must be love, he would do anything to ensure that we made this work.

Now, in the last week I feel as if what I have to do has increased greatly, another adult and 2 more children for part of the week. He has an outside interest that means on average 2 or 3 times a month I have looked after the 4 children either on a weekend afternoon or evening while he has been out. I have collected his children for him when he has been at work, stayed with them at activities when he wanted/needed to go somewhere. I thought I had done everything to fully embrace the new family. I have returned to work and I am pregnant. He has recently qualified in his field, but only works 3 days a week, and this did mean he looked after my girls for 2 days in half term while I was at work, so that was helpful, but on his other days off, he has been doing something for an outside interest of his, and then last night, when I came home with the children at 5pm, he arrived back at the same time, and made a cup of tea and lit the fire and spent the rest of the time sat on the sofa. While I made dinner for everyone, then cleared away and washed up, sorted washing, got my children in the bath and to bed. Then needed to do pack lunches, some ironing and sort out new car insurance. I then pointed out to him that I wasn't very happy, and he said he was willing to do anything, but I had now done it all, so yes I could have asked him to help, but he too could have offered, anyway this is kind of beside the point now! He then did not speak to me for the rest of the night, and slept in a different room, the next morning he left for work without saying goodbye as he normally would, he leaves just before I get up.

Later on he was collecting his 2 children after some after school activities, and then bringing them home, however he text me in the day to say that they were going to see his mum first, and then eventually turned up without them and told me that it was over as we were too different.

He said we had different views on organisation, I am very organised, I find that with school, and after school activities, and now working and shopping and everything you need to be! He complained that I asked him when he would be home so I knew whether I should be making tea for the children on their own earlier or all of us together, and also complained about the specific way I like to hang washing on the line! That was all he said on that subject, and then said sorry.

He then stood there while I tried to talk to him about these differences, and he just didn?t respond, so I asked about our attitudes to managing and spending money, I spend money but try hard not to waste it, having been left to look after 2 young children as a single parent I have really tried to ensure that I have savings and am reasonably financially secure so that I can provide for them. He on the other hand has no savings, and doesn?t actually have to support the day to day lives of his children and activities etc. Now in losing the single parent extra working tax credits, we have a very similar amount of money now for 2 adults and 2 children, and 2 more children for part of each week, as I had before for 1 adult and 2 children, so to me managing money and not wasting it is even more important if we want holidays etc. He previously said that he would leave the finances to me as he just didn?t think like that but totally understood what I was saying. He had also said that it was great that I was so organised as he wasn?t, and with 4 children currently and there will be 5 between us we would need to be organised.

However now it seems that these ?differences? which I thought were just about working out between us how to manage our household in terms of money and organisation, have become far more important that the apparent immense love that he felt for me that would mean we would always work it out and talk about any issues.

Today he has said he is too busy to talk to me, he has not been at work today. I just cannot believe that this has happened, I don't quite understand what has happened really.

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 13:42

I have spoken to him on the phone and he said his mum will transfer the money to my account this afternoon. HIS MUM....honestly!

I then asked about the thoughts of termination, and he said that is my choice to make nothing to do with him! I said well what will you do in the future, as in for the child, I thought that was obvious, and he said 'what do you mean?' So I said is it not obvious what I mean as the father of a child, he said he'd do the same as he does for his 2 children, so I said you mean pay no maintenance for them? He said well no I haven't done for 2 years while being a student, and I'm thinking well her costs to look after them haven't changed! Anyway I said the child would not stay with him every weekend, as his 2 do now, and he said 'No I expected that from you'! He can't have children in the week and made that quite clear with his 2 now, but when they are at school and I am at work all week, I don't think it's unreasonable to say I wouldn't be happy with the child going every weekend!

I then said actually I think a discussion about a termination is something to do with him, and he said 'oh fuck off and do whatever you like' and put the phone down!

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DutchGirly · 13/11/2011 13:54

TP, I know this is devastating but at least you know where you stand now. This is not a man, he is a selfish, self-entitled child who does whatever he likes.

Have a good think about what you want and what is best for your family. Don't enter into any conversation with him, he is out of the picture.

Big hug.

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 14:01

His Mum must be really proud of him right now Hmm Poor woman :(

I presume you accepted the money though?? That's between them - don't you be worrying about her having paid it.

He really is a prize wanker isn't he. It's a real shame you can't get a warning tattoo'd on his forehead.

Don't worry about when or if he will have the baby. No matter what he says he will try to do as he pleases at the time and then you will just have to deal with it as you do with your girls Dad now.

Wait until you have the money in your account then text him when it's convenient for him to collect his stuff. Preferably leave it out when you go out.

I'm sorry you are going through all of this, but tbh, at least you know where you stand and he's not messing around saying he wants to come back or wants to keep seeing you but not live with you or any of the other crap that sometimes happens.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 14:24

It was a mistake to call him or answer the phone to him. Texts are more than good enough for a twunt like him.

As your eyes are now well and truly open and you are able to see him in all his pathetic glory, you're best advised to put him out of your mind while you concentrate on thinking through your options.

Your fairytale has ended with the prince turning back into the lying turd toad he's always been behind the mask and, as it should be obvious to you that you can't trust a word he says, you have no reason to place any credence on what he tells you at any time - with the exception of your liaison/relationship being well and truly over.

Any concerns you have should now be focused on yourself and your dds and, as previously advised, it is in all of your best interests for you to thoroughly consider your position.

With reference to your conversation with your dds this a.m, my concern is that your 'little house on the prairie' scenario may come crashing down if you proceed with this pg and I'm also concerned that you're in danger of burdening your 2 little girls with what should be exclusively adult matters.

We often hear adults claim that children are 'adaptable'. If this is the case, how come so many adults who perceive themselves to be 'screwed up' trace their problems back to their childhoods? Please let your dds be children for as long as possible by resisting the temptation to make them your 'confidants'.

I suggest that you talk your options through with your dps, dsis, and/or a counsellor asap.

In the meantime, I hope you are able to find some enjoyment on your special day - will you be spending the evening as previously planned watching a band and staying over in a hotel? Although you may not feel able to face it, IMO you will benefit from taking some time out of the hellish situation you currently find yourself in.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 14:52

oh my god I've just been on facebook and he's de-friended me!

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Smum99 · 13/11/2011 15:11

OP, can I ask how old are you and your ex?

Please stop making contact with each other -it is just going down a destructive path and none of this is good for either of you or the dc's.
The grown up approach is to determine if it's over - Yes seems to be the answer then determine what support you will get and who you can lean on and finally how you can ensure that ALL the dc's here are not impacted by yours and the ex's decision.

There are 4 dc's who have invested in this relationship - they believe the fairytales and no doubt believed that they had a new daddy. Please consider that they absolutely have been impacted by what is happening.My DSS has had similar situations happen to him, new partner moves in and then baby appears and new man leaves..the impact is major and has changed DSS forever.

So forget wardrobes and FB and work out what you can do to protect your dc's. Think about how they will be feeling..when they go to activities on Saturday mornings, when maybe friends make comments to them,when maybe they see that you are sad...Keep your focus on the DCs, not him and you will get through this.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 15:19

FFS, he's already done it in real life and being de-friended by him on fb is the least of your worries.

Your liaison with him is over, ended, finito, it's a late parrot - as dead as the Norwegian Blue of MP fame.

Now make plans for the rest of your life.....

MidnightHag · 13/11/2011 15:21

You must be stunned by how quickly it's all gone wrong. Sad

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 15:24

We are both 37.

He rang me to tell me that his mum has tranferred the money he owes, and then told me that this was partly my fault too, as I shouldn't have listened and trusted him when he promised that this is what he wanted, a family, a baby, a whole future together, and we would always be together, this was true love etc, he had never felt this before. He has just walked out, saying actually he doesn't want a family and wants to be able to do his own thing when he wants. Yes maybe I should have thought a bit more, but him leaving was his decision not mine.

Smum....you are right it is not helpful. But I feel so strong one minute and then so embarrassed and devastated the next. I feel I can cope so well, then think my whole life has fallen apart.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 15:34

The life that you created in your imagination has fallen apart and your illusions have been shattered, but your real life is still standing and waiting for you to pay attention to it.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 15:43

Yes I know, I'm just finding it so hard. My girls have gone over to my gran's house she lives in the same village, and I am waiting for my sister to come round, she is always late, she did say about 2.30/3pm. Then I need to tell my mum and dad what has happened, as they were meant to be going to stay there tonight, as we were going to see a band, I can't go now I don't have the tickets or hotel details, he booked it.

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Doha · 13/11/2011 15:44

None of this was your fault--don't let him pin his inadequacies on you.
Perhaps you were a bit hasty with the whole getting together/marriage and pregnancy senario.
But he chose to walk out, he chose to end the relationship, he chose to apparently walk away from this new family. None of this is what you wanted.
However he has revealed his true self to you. He is a immature lowlife who does not deserve your headspace.
Please think carefully about this new baby as he obviously couldn't care less what you do. You know you can bring this little addition into your family and cope,you have done before and will again. BUT do you want to do it all again. How will the family dynamics change with your DC's.
Only you can make the decision and he wants no part in this.
Can you talk to your family later and get some RL support?

ChippingInNeedsSleep · 13/11/2011 15:51

He's unreal. It is not your fault for trusting him - it's entirely his fault for lying, but don't worry about what he thinks, just focus on what you are going to do going forward. I think it would be better for you to stop talking to him, it wont achieve anything except more upset.

Wait until you can see the money in your bank account then text him to collect his stuff. You don't need to have anything to do with him until the baby is born if you don't want to - although you may choose to keep up some contact with his children (not just at dancing) if you think it would be best for all 5 children (if you decide to keep this one, if not then no contact is probably better for them all now).

Why not text him for the details and go with your sister?? I would. You might as well do something nice on your birthday and your parents are all set to babysit.

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 15:55

He booked it? Yeah, right. I think you can take it that was another of his cons as I can't imagine he'd be prepared to spend his 'hard-earned' money on you - or anyone else for that matter, including his poor dcs.

It's all been a set up. Cocklodger from beginning to end. And just when it looked to you as if he'd have some 'earnings' to contribute to the family pot it's a case of now you see him, now you don't.

He's a waste of space, an oxygen thief, no good to wo/man or beast as he's always going to be into himself first and foremost.

You worked hard to get to where you were before you met him and it is within your power to turn back time and airbush him from your history.

As your dds are expecting to stay with their dgps, I would suggest you take time out tonight for yourself and get yourself out of the house - maybe with dsis? - as it will help to clear your head and may give you another perspective.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 15:55

Yes I will talk to them later. At the moment while I am getting my head straight to be honest I am happier talking here than to friends. I may call someone later, but I fear I may just start crying again telling a new person, and actually being calmer and thinking it through seems better right now.

I actually like the idea of another child, I enjoyed him and his 2 children being here in a larger family. I am worried about the early days practicalities being on my own, but that won't last long, and I think me and the 3 children will all be just fine.

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 16:05

izzy...I like the 'now you see him, now you don't'! Made me laugh!

I think I really do want to keep the baby.

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 16:07

Thanks Chipping - I didn't think it was my fault! Yes I need to focus on moving forwards. I'm trying honestly!

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 16:33

You 'liked the idea' of having him live with you and your dds. You 'liked the idea' of a bigger, 'blended' family. You 'liked the idea' of having a dc with him.

As you've discovered, liking an idea doesn't mean it's going to happen and, when they take shape in reality, ideas can take a very different form to what was once envisaged.

Don't contact him again. The twunt is well aware that it's your birthday today and if he did book/pay for an evening out with hotel accomodation, you can put money on him having already arranged to take someone else - most probably the 'lurve interest' I suspect he's had his eye on for some time; another sucker that'll allow him to lodge his cock in her home and person gratis.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 16:41

Thanks for making me laugh izzy Grin

I understand what you're saying, about 'liking an idea', but I really do think I can do this.

I was just thinking about his children though, and while I did originally think he was a great father to them, I have now thought about specific things. For example his youngest who is 7 cries everytime she is returned to her mum, and the eldest who is 10 sulks, they separated 5 years ago. Neither of them are very confident, particularly the youngest. When they see their dad at the weekend he usually goes and does something else other than spending the time with them, and I know it upset them, I saw it. I wonder whether this has resulted in how they feel, they are constantly moved from one place to another to stay, I know their mum is a nurse and works shifts, so they spend a lot of time, even nights with a childminder.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 17:04

Frankly, he sounds such a liability as a parent that I would be extremely reluctant to bring another child of his into the world.

He's the type of twunt that won't stop to consider whether he's doing the right thing by his dc if it suits him to interfere with their lives/routines.

Instead of analysing what may be wrong with his dc, concentrate on your own and give them the stability that they need to thrive.

If you decide to proceed, on no account should you put his name on the birth certificate even if he begs and pleads to accompany you to the Registry Office.

The fact that he's not named won't affect any claim you make through the CSA, but it might serve to deter him from unduly interfering with the child's life as he'll need to stump up a considerable sum to establish paternity and apply to a Court for formalised contact arrangements.

ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 17:07

Oh great idea about the birth certificate Wink

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ThoughtsPlease · 13/11/2011 17:10

Yes you are right about concentrating on giving my girls stability, despite this episode, I do think I must have done ok so far, they are confident and do welll at school etc in all areas I don't just mean academic, I mean with friends etc too. And I believe I can do it again.

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izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 17:15

As you're not married, you can''t name the father unless he attends the Registry Office with you.

The change in that particular law occurred some many years back due to unmarried mothers falsely naming Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart and other loaded rock stars likely suspects as the fathers of their illegitimate offspring Grin

Don't know why they bothered when both of those aged lotharios are reputed to be as tight as the proverbial gnats's arse when it comes to partiing with their dosh Wink

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 17:15

Cocked up there '- please substitute 'gnat's arse' for gnat's arse

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 13/11/2011 17:17

did it again - 'gnat's arse' for 'gnats's arse' If I'm not careful it'll be 'have I got gnus for you' next.