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Husband can't get on with my DC

193 replies

phoenix2 · 07/11/2011 12:51

I feel like i am living in a nightmare. i can't understand how it has all gone so wrong. i had a 4 yr old dd when i met my now husband. we have two kids now 3 and 1. my dh and my dd were fairly close until 3 yrs ago. i guess she turned into a pre-pubescent or it was the arrival of our own dd but since then they have simply not got on. My dd is now 13. The arguements are constant. literally 3/4 days out of every 2wks my dh and i won't be talking over something or other.

Now my dd is not a saint and in many ways she is an unusual child. Not wild or particularly bold or anything like that but very lazy, no 'get up and go' whatsoever, speaks very low, extremely fussy and slow eater and at times i can admit it she won't do the things she is asked (simlpe stuff around the house) but i guess all of this is normal for a 13yr old. She does my head in at times but i still love her totally and completely - she's still my baby and i know i was probably every bit as bad when i was her age.

My Dh however cannot tolerate her at all. We can't even have a day out together without it ending in disaster or him giving out to her over every little thing and her withdrawing into herself which annoys him even more. We went on holidays earlier this year and i swore never again - it was a nightmare. We used to go away for weekends with her when she was smaller but i wouldn't even dream of doing that now as it would be a joke.

We had a day out shopping yesterday and once again it descended into a disaster. he was hungry before we were so we stopped for lunch - i know my dd wouldn't eat a dinner (she was only after eating popcorn) so i said she would have soup - this resulted in him giving out yards about how spoilt she was, how you would think she was royalty etc etc (now she does have a very annoying way of eating) you could see people at the next table just staring at us. I was putting up new pics on the mantle piece yesterday eve and put one of her on the couch for a mo (while i was rearranging them) and she said 'dont' take down the only one of me' he started giving out saying that was such a stupid thing to say. His brother was there at the time and my heart broke for her as i could see her hold ing back the tears. His bro took them out for chips and while gone i said that as usual he was being too hard on her. And thats when he said it. After all these years he finally said he can't stand her. He ususally just says she is spoilt, brat, no manners etc but this was a new low.

Only last weekend he promised me there would be no more givnig out to her that he would improve, that he can see its killing me etc. (i have heard this almost every month for the past three years).

so what the hell do i do?? she has a dad who loves her but lives the other side of the country, his mother adores her and lives only 4 kms from her and she usually goes there 1/2 night each week. This sounds awful but these are the only nights i can relax. I feel sick to my stomach at the way this has all turned out. He is a shit husband, shit step father but an amzing dad to his own two.

Any advice would be great. this is taking a huge toll on my health and it must be awful for my dd

Sorry for long thread. but sometimes i wish she would just change and wake up and make an effort and speak louder and eat faster etc etc and then on the other hand i know how wrong this is to feel that way. Its not her fault.

We have tried counselling before, i hve written him letters, asked him to leave(he wouldn't) got his bro to speak to him. Nothing works with this man and i am literally at breaking point. Crying my eyes out typing this.
Please help

OP posts:
Proudnscary · 17/11/2011 16:32

Oh gosh OP, hang on in there, you are getting there - come a long way just in last week or so.
I agree tell families beforehand definitely - firstly it won't come as a big shock to them all and emotions might not run so high and secondly you'll ruin his Big Moment where he blames it all on you.
I know what country you're in because of the language, too. Are you sure the police won't/don't intervene?

snuffaluffagus · 17/11/2011 17:46

Hell, I'LL come over and tell him to move out! I take it you're in Ireland? I'll hop on a plane!

If you want to do it when your brother in law is there for back up then invite him over for dinner and talk to your husband then.

Good luck, it must be really wearing living with someone like this - and you KNOW you need to make a change, that's the first step. This won't go on forever, you just need to be proactive.

phoenix2 · 17/11/2011 21:06

thought i was making progress - i knew we had to have a conversation about whats going on as i couldn't live another day with this crap- there was no point waiting for him to call our families together cause that would never happen. i sent dd to her grans this eve and asked dh to finish work early to have a chat. what a joke. i told him again that it is finished and i want him to leave, that he can't make me live with him for the rest of my life. he said he will never leave his children and thats is all my fault for not correcting my dd, for not backing him up when he corrects her, for not taking his name when we married etc etc.
i told him i am done and that i will call in our families now myself to help me sort it out. that shook him i knew. he said he would take anger management classes but i have had it - i told him im not trying anymore that i have tried hard to the past 3 years and i am finished.
he seriously thinks that if i put 'manners' on my dd that we would be fine - cant get anything through his thick head. its so bad at times i put off going for a shower in case it kicks off between the two of them
in the meantine i have a one year old who doesn't sleep, a 3 yr old who needs constant attention, a teenager who aside from all this is a normal teen and is worse than the 3 year old at times! a full time (new) job and a house to run single handedly.......
am knackered but i know i have to keep on fighting..

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HairyBeaver · 17/11/2011 21:44

Haven't read thread yet only Op but seriously I grew up being your DD and I felt like such a black sheep and that I wasn't part of their family Sad

I left home at 15 because of it and to this day I still resent my mum for "picking" him over me.

Your poor DD Sad

I'm hoping that when I reach the end of this thread you've left him but doubt that very much

It's horrible growing up in a house where you know your hated by your SF and he can show all the love to HIS children. Really fucks me off tbh

HairyBeaver · 17/11/2011 21:57

I'm sorry but wtf?? Your scared of him etc well how the fuck does your DD feel? If your scared as an adult imagine what a child feels like???

His refusing to leave so you change the locks when his at work and call the police when he kicks off

I can't believe your worried about what the jones will think of him kicking off in your street then your DD.

I you have any feelings fr your DD at least have the decency to sender to live with her gm until you get him out!!

PilgrimSoul · 17/11/2011 22:32

Contact your local Community Garda. This man is not going to agree to move out of your house. You need to change the locks and have the Gardai alerted to this fact.

grumplestilskin · 17/11/2011 22:49

"I phoned WA and started the process of what i hope and intend will be mine and my DD eventual freedom from this man."

OP...... AND your 1yr old and your 3yr old, please stop forgetting them! he is NOT a good father to them either, they are exposed to him being a bully to their sibling and their mother

how is he a good father exactly? he doesn't help with the house, he makes the home a horrendous environment, he is teaching them that this is normal!!!!!!! so what? he kicks a ball around with them or something! that doesn't make a father you know!

grumplestilskin · 17/11/2011 22:51

the 1 and 3 year old will learn one of two things from this man:

  • to be like him
or
  • to be treated like he treats you and DD1!

protect ALL your children from this man!
sod the neighbours your children all need you!

bejeezus · 19/11/2011 22:17

I can't stop thinking about this thread

How's it going op? Has he gone?

phoenix2 · 09/01/2012 22:02

Am very pleased to be able to let you all know that I DID IT. I got rid of H out of my house and out of our lives.

Got a barring order on wednesday and the guards served it on him and he left quietly - didn't have much choice.

cannot believe what i have done and what i have acheived -didn't think i would ever be rid of him.

The relief is huge but am also feeling almost bereaved and am totally shocked that it has come to this. I have to keep on remembering the bad stuff he said and did, the shouting, the tempers, the insults, the jeckle & hyde type behaviour, the constant picking at dd etc etc

On tuesday moring i went to the guards (I live in ROI) to tell them i had to leave my home and was bringing my kids and i wanted to let them know in case dh reacted badly. I met the most amazing guard who said that i didn't have to leave my home he did. He said he could see by looking at me how shook i was and how i was obviously at the end of my rope and it had to stop. He phoned the discrict court and set the wheels in motion for my application for an interim barring order. I honestly didn't believe i had grounds for one but when i sat in front of the judge on wed morning it was him to suggested the barring order to me. At this point i was so shaken with the shock of the speed this had taken i was actually saying to the judge that maybe a Protection Order would be enough. He said to me that this man is not going to change and that if i only had a PO he would worm his way back into my affections with is apologies and promises to change but he never would. I said i just wanted him out of the house that i couldn't live with him another day. So i left with the interim barring order in a total state of shock with the enormity of what i was after doing. Brought it to the guards as they had to serve it on DH. THey phoned him to ask him to call to the station on his way home from work which he did. They then phoned me once it had been served. The guard on duty knows my DH and seemed to be feeling sorry for him, he said dh was very shocked and was shaking, he said he had never laid a hand on me and that he loves his kids etc. He honestly had no idea what it was about or why it had been served on him. Anyway dh came up to the house within 5 minutes. I had his bags packed and my brother was here, so he picked up his bags, my brother asked him for the key and the key of my mams and he gave them no problems. I said I am sorry it has come to this but I have no He genuinely seemed to be shocked. My heart was literally breaking at having to do this to him but what choice did I have? He was getting worse not better and he was never even sorry, my health was going downhill and dd was literally disappearing into herself. When dd came home from her nans that evening I told her that I had asked dh to leave because of the way he had been treating us. I apologised to her that it had taken me so long to stand up for her but I told her I love her more than anything in the world and I will always be here to take care of her. I told her to take this as a lesson for the rest of her life that nobody has the right to bully and shout at her and if there is ever a situation that she can?t sort out for herself I said there are always people ready to help you just need to ask. It was I think the proudest I have ever been of myself (even though inside I was heartbroken) So he is gone I have peace of mind and peace for my children and I only wish I had done it years ago. He is with his brother (the one who has helped me in the past) and that it that. All I have to do now is try and get over it and stop feeling responsible for him. I have to go to court next Wednesday and apply for the full barring order, the solicitors will sort out maintenance and access and then I can start to rebuild my life. I am a bit nervous cause Im sure he hates my guts now and if he couldn?t threaten to put me out the window when I was doing everything I could to keep him happy then god knows what he wants to do to me now. That?s why I need the barring order. I know he isn?t sorry ? he probably still doesn?t even know how this has happened. His brother dropped in a letter from him yesterday saying how sorry he was that he is going to get help with his temper, that I was right all along in how I raise the children - load of crap ? I had heard all this before. I also need a barring order because he is not going to stop trying to get me back with his apologies and whatever else he dreams up. And I just want to be left alone to recover.

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Anniegetyourgun · 09/01/2012 22:40

Gosh - brilliant - well done Phoenix! And well done that judge! He's absolutely right, of course. All the promises in the world don't mean H can or even, deep in his soul, wants to change. If your heart breaks for anyone it should be for your dear little girl, who now has an opportunity to come out of her shell. I think what you said to her was absolutely right.

Good luck to you all.

ecclesvet · 09/01/2012 22:47

Well done! May I ask - how did your daughter react to your talk?

ToothbrushThief · 09/01/2012 22:54

Ditto to protect this child...your daughter.

I know it's tough but she is a child. She needs you to do this and NOW.

Once you have done it you will be filled with remorse that you didn't act sooner. .. and then you'll all relax and start to live again

ToothbrushThief · 09/01/2012 22:54

oops I was on page two Blush

Legobuildingpro · 09/01/2012 22:54

Well done.

PattiMayor · 09/01/2012 22:55

Really, really well done. You're a really strong woman and that's fantastic news. So glad the guards and the judge were so great too - hope they made you realise you're not making a fuss over nothing.

It's not going to be a straightforward trajectory but you really are on an onwards and upwards path.

solidgoldbrass · 09/01/2012 22:56

Well done!

RoughShooting · 09/01/2012 22:58

Well done you. I posted before under a different name on this thread, and am so pleased to read that you've had the courage to do this. I'm sure your daughter is feeling a hell of a relief right now, even if she doesn't show it.

StewieGriffinsMom · 09/01/2012 23:00

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ToothbrushThief · 09/01/2012 23:01

OK I've now caught up and am amazed at your courage. Well done and I wish you well. the next few months may be difficult but you have done the right thing.

I was in a similar situation and struggled with guilt about the situation my ex found himself in. Remember you gave him chances, warnings etc - he did not change his behaviour and never would (as the judge said). You have quite rightly protected your children. You shouldn't have to. That is the fault of him not you.

ReneeVivien · 09/01/2012 23:04

Really pleased to hear this. Well done.

TheCrunchUnderfoot · 09/01/2012 23:26

Amazing woman that you are!! Wish you all the best for a brighter future and a brilliant relationship with ALL your children- you deserve it!

WetAugust · 09/01/2012 23:33

Very courageous!

Well done you - enjoy the calm.

TheSecondComing · 09/01/2012 23:38

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PermanentlyOnEdge · 09/01/2012 23:39

Only found this thread today but have read it all. My heart goes out to you at having to deal with such an awful situation. Today is a new beginning and hopefully when your DS turns two you will all be in a much happier place. It will be a hard year, but it will be worth it.

Well done.