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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families.

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garlicBread · 01/11/2011 18:18

It's November 2011, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
droves · 04/12/2011 19:15

Vicar , is there any other relatives from your mothers side that could tell you a bit about the family medical history?

Perhaps a cousin ? Or an aunt ?

Would you be able to ask her doctor if there was any genetic info you should know given your sons condition ?

I'm sorry for all the questions earlier , it never occurred to me it might be a medical reason behind you wanting to know about your fathers side .

I hope you find the answers you need x.

ThatVikRinA22 · 04/12/2011 22:01

no. none. she kept the fact that she had a boyfriend secret despite being in her mid 20s.

she came home preganant. no one knows. i have tried every conceivable way of finding out you could possibly imagine.

droves · 04/12/2011 22:25

Bloody hell vicar !

Do you know where she lived then ? , would any of her old friend know ?

Long shot , but would a private detective be able to dig anything up ?

I just can't get my head around why she wouldn't tell anyone his name ...maybe he was married ?

LaRevenanteSecrete · 04/12/2011 23:06

Hello, I'm an old time former Stately Homeser, and just popping in to offer a couple of words of support -

Moltisanti - you were not being remotely over sensitive in getting upset over your mother's comment re your DS's dancing. It was a vile thing to say and speaks volumes about her emotional illiteracy, her cruelty, and her self hate (if she cannot allow herself to feel the joy and pride a grandmother should feel in her tiny grandson's achievements and development, without slicing it all up with such an inappropriate and disparaging remark, then she is full of self hate). I'm not at all surprised it hit such a raw nerve with you, especially given the context of how often and how poisonously she and your stepfather how laughed at and belittled you. "Normal" (ie emotionally healthy) people don't sneer at their children or grandchildren. Don't need to make themselves look clever or superior at the expense of a child (a 14 month old baby, ffs!) Just wanted to say that I totally see your POV, that's all.

And sorry your mum's such an emotional idiot. Mine is too, I know how much it hurts. Just glad I don't see mine any more. Wishing you strength with however you decide to handle it.

ThatVikRinA22 · 04/12/2011 23:07

she had no friends that i know of and certainly wouldnt stay in touch with them now if she had - she is a loner, an alcoholic and a bit of an odd ball. she lives her life on the internet now. i have no surviving relatives and i asked them all anyway - they would have helped me if they could. she had left home, came back about 6 months pregnant, she had me up for adoption. long story - all on the other thread. (she had gone for an abortion to manchester, decided against it then put me up for adoption, but my grandparents said they would have me, they did until she married SF and then things really went to ratshit.)

no one can dig anything up without something to identify him - i need a name.
he was a squaddie. thats all i know, and he sent her the money for the abortion then fled the country.

she wont tell me because i want to know. simple as that.

my mother is manipulative, nasty, spiteful, morose, shallow, bigoted, and lots of other unpleasant things.

she deliberately left his name off the birth certificate so no one would know and she vowed that no one ever will.

on my other thread i have gone through it all, but its a long read now at 11 pages.

so much has happened. i have had a far better life since i have not been in touch with her, anything i ever did she poured cold water on and never missed an opportunity to be nasty, they did such a good job her son was on herion for 10 years, and when he was homeless she walked past him in the street. she married a sadist who delighted in physically hurting me, killing my pets and being absolutely vile to me. when i fled at 15 my brother got it. when he fled she got it, and still she stayed with him, he was a monster and she chose him over her children.

she is not a mother.
then a few weeks ago i get a sickly sweet message from her saying its all water under the bridge and lets forget the past.
not fucking likely.

sorry for the rant.

droves · 04/12/2011 23:49

That's loads to start with .....

He's a squaddie , you know when he was here ( when you were concieved),
Roughly where she was at the time ?

Google the nearest military bases from at the time .
Write a letter to mod asking if they know your mother ? Or the names of servicemen who left the country around that time? .

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ThatVikRinA22 · 05/12/2011 00:13

Droves, it was anon night stand as far as I can deduce. No mod base is seriously going to know my mother, and it could have been any base near a very big city, I have tried all this and I did contact an agency - I can't trace him with nothing to go on and what I have really isn't enough. I am going to try 1 more time when I've finished my counselling but I am resigned to never knowing. If u think I have loads then please be my guest in telling mr how I find a one night stand in what could be 3 different bases in the space of 9 months between 1971 and 1972... I've contacted agencies who specialise in this- they have said I've nothing to go on. I don't know what else I can do, off to bed as thisreally isn't conducive to a good nights sleep, Sad sorry but I don't think this thread was the right place for me.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 05/12/2011 00:30

Oh sorry , ignore me, I'm grumpy tonight due to extreme arse pain.... I fell downstairs and have hurt coccyx...I'll be back when in better spirits. Blush

ThatVikRinA22 · 05/12/2011 00:32

(That was to droves btw....I think I came across as snappy.) sorry.

MixedUpKitty · 05/12/2011 10:13

JustBeYourself - surely if one word could be used to describe a child of that age it is 'more'!

droves · 05/12/2011 10:51

Im sorry VICAR , didnt mean to upset you , just trying to think of a way to help you . You didnt come across as snappy , just upset and fed -up .
Sad

I hope your feeling better today .

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InOneEar · 05/12/2011 13:26

Hello everyone. Can I join this thread please? My upbringing was extremely dysfunctional but my parents never took me to stately homes!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/12/2011 14:19

Hi JustBeYourself,

re your comment:-

"she was heavily physically abused as a child, (not sexual, but violence) I just don't think she knows what love is".

No, she likely does not.

"Which is why I can never walk away, no matter how much she hurts and rejects me, because if I don't love her purely, then she will never have had the love she deserves".

Love her purely?. Love is not enough.

Many children now adults who were on the receiving end of abuses commited against them in childhood often want to continue a relationshiip with the parental abuser. It is NOT your fault she is this way; you did not make her like this (her own birth family did that) and it is NOT your responsibility to try and fix her. She actively chose to act the way she did through conditioning but it is no excuse for her actions towards you as a child. Also many people have poor childhoods and not all of them by any means go onto abuse their child. Two generations have already been affecgted; your mother and you. It is to your credit that you realise that your children do not have to receive such a toxic legacy. And they are lucky to have such an insightful mother.

"i am very, very lucky and have a DH who loves ME like that, and who helped me see that my relationship with her is not what it should be. So I feel I have to pass it on, like karma".

Am glad to read you have a supportive H but your responsibility if now to your children and him. You owe your mother precisely nothing and she married someone who was/is just as screwed up as she is.

"it just really gets to me at times, the denial of all the emotional abuse in my childhood, from her and mostly her husband (not my dad) who was utterly, utterly screwed".

The denial from your mother is typical of such toxic parents when challenged.
"Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward may be helpful to you.

I would recommend counselling for you to talk to someone about your mother (BACP are good and do not charge the earth).

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ohmygosh123 · 05/12/2011 15:41

I've been reading all your posts, and it helps. I no longer feel completely crazy. But I'd love some advice from people who have been / are there.

I am in the weird position of having a mother who can be lovely, as long as I do everything the way she wants, appreciates her how she wants to be appreciated, and everything is going well. But, its like living with a stick of dynamite in that you never know when it is going to blow up. If something goes seriously wrong for me (eg. I got stalked) she accuses me of ruining her life. When she's in the mood she can do sympathy, or be nice, but then you need to follow her advice. If she gives me a choice, you have to choose the one she wants you to choose or heaven help you. She can't remember what she says when she goes off on one, so she denies she ever said it and apparently I make it all up. She says insults in one breath, then the next day asks why I lack confidence. She has also told my daughter it is no wonder she is so vile when she has a mother like me - my daughter is only 5!

She spent so long (years) telling me she wished she hadn't had me and I ruined her life that in the end I lost my rag as a teenager and told her she should have had an abortion - oh boy - not a good move. I've spent most of my life having to pander to her, and apologise for existing to make her happy so she would talk to my father - Dad would go on and on until I gave in for an easier life and said whatever it was that she wanted me to say. If I didn't then we were both vile pigs, I was a bitch etc etc.

Now I've got a child, I don't want her to learn those patterns of behaviour. So I dared to tell her that if she wasn't able to keep a lid on her temper, then I would have to spend less time with her because I couldn't take it, and the stress was /is affecting my relationship with my daughter. She was quite entited not to like me, but not to shout abuse at me. And that I didn't want emails telling me how nice I was, if the previous day she was telling me I had ruined her life, was causing her so much distress that she can't carry on any longer etc etc (The most recent outburst was because I wouldn't agree to go to the theatre the night before I was due to be driving south without consulting my husband - but I did say they could definitely take my daughter if she wanted to book tickets that afternoon - which was one of the two options she offered, but not the one I was meant to take....)

Anyway Christmas is now off - couldn't care less about her, but I do feel sorry for my Dad. He gets Xmas without my daughter, and I feel like I am punishing him, because I can't take my mother. She was threatening to go on a cruise on her own for Xmas - oh I wish she had, but apparently she doesn't want to go on her own!

After 35 years my Dad has finally questioned whether her behaviour is acceptable to her face - but that is because he was staying with me, when he saw the effect of her on the phone, and the knock on effect on my daughter. The worm is starting to turn, so she is laying into him in style. So he is back to being worn out. The thing is I want a relationship with my Dad, and I can sort of cope with my mother if she would just keep her opinions to herself and not go off on one, and not override me with DD. But I don't know how to achieve it. He was meant to be coming skiing with us, and she wanted him to go, now he isn't allowed. All over me not agreeing to go to the sodding theatre when she wanted me to go! Sorry this is so long - but I seriously need advice.

ohmygosh123 · 05/12/2011 16:58

Sorry if I've hijacked a thread, but other people said they were told to come on over here rather than starting a new thread, so I hope it would be okay to butt in.

Thanks

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ohmygosh123 · 05/12/2011 19:58

Justbeyourself thanks for not ignoring me. Xmas Smile Its the first time I've even posted, normally just read the threads. But am feeling so sorry for my Dad, that even though I don't want to be dragged back into life according to my mother, that I am really torn.

I keep hoping its like dog training, eventually she'll get the message that it is unacceptable. I tried this two years ago when I really lost it with her in the sense that I told her how she made me feel (I was suicidal) and what she needed to do or she wouldn't see me (or more importantly granddaughter) again, and she was so scared of losing contact with her GD that she behaved for 3 months. But trying to train her is so exhausting and unpredicatable, I'm back to the point I can't take it anymore. I keep hoping there is some magic system - but no she won't go to counselling / CBT / stop drinking white wine.

gobbycow · 06/12/2011 10:19

Ohmygosh Google personality disorders,,,especially cluster "B" ones, BPD and NPD.

People with these disorders are impossible, just impossible. These are the people who indulge in gaslighting, Gaslighting is just beyond awful, and when it's a parent doing it to you, it is devastating.

There are loads of suggestions at the top of this thread for books and websites to look at, a lot of the books have free pages on Amazon.

And if they do it to you, they WILL do it to your kids too.

I cut all contact, not just for my mental health, but the future mental health of my dc's.

gobbycow · 06/12/2011 10:20

There are treatments for these disorders, but the condition itself means that sufferers will not go. And even if they do, well it depends on what they put in doesn't it?