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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Kicking The Devilish Demon Drink Into Touch This Hallowe'en!. Mwahahahaha!

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Mwahahahahahahahouseface · 15/10/2011 12:38

Hello

I'm Mouse, well normally! [hgrin]

Welcome to the Bus. We are a mixed bunch of Babes, some of us drink, some of us don't and some of us are trying to find out the best way to cut down or stop completely.

There is plenty of room on the Bus for everyone so, come say hi. [hsmile]

And, if you'd like to see what brought us all here, you can read all of the past threads, including the original one by JWN RIGHT HERE

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 10/11/2011 08:16

Morning all Smile

Hope everyone is ok this morning and not suffering too badly.

Theala I feel for you, my lovely, it's horrid living with pain. Hope they get your meds sorted out soon x

I will be doing face pack Friday tomorrow if anyone care to join me in sitting at their laptop looking like a fool at about 8.30 tomorrow eve. Oh, my social life is such a whirl! Grin

As for today, bring it on . . .

blossom123 · 10/11/2011 08:32

Morning all Smile hope you are all well

Leather how are you feeling this morning? sad to see your post last night

Bit knackered this mornig really restless nights sleep but feeling a bit proud had 1 glass of wine , yes just 1 glass, with my dinner ( actually ate dinner 2 days in a row, wow) had had a bit a of a battle as the dreaded box was lurking in the kitchen but snuggled up with DS and finished off his hot chocolate, this seem to work. Not 1 ciggy, yipee!!!!

Mouseface · 10/11/2011 09:18

Morning Babes

Hoping that JWN is relaxing on a sun lounger, being fanned and having grapes peeled for her as I type! Grin

Leatherette - Sorry to see that you are struggling.

To those who are newer and are struggling - I'm going to post this but I have little doubt that you won't have seen this before.

You're not ready. You're not ready to give up completely and the thought of doing so scares you immensily.

Take the pressure off. Plan your evenings AWAY from alcohol. You live in the sticks don't you? Or am I mistaken?

I get the impression, that there are other things in your life that you are trying to 'control'? Tell be to bugger off if you think I'm interfeering. There's just something about your posts that tell me you're not 100% happy. Sad

I would say that for now, just try not to get drunk. As in really over do the boozing. Try to start with a soft drink. Then make sure you're not hungry, and see how you feel. Just take each minute as it comes.

You are putting to much pressure on yourself to stop or cut right down.

You're not ready, sorry but you're not. You will be, at some point, but for now, just try to limit the damage.

Silver will tell you, you have to be so very ready, in your mind, your heart. You have to want to stop letting drink get the better of you with every fibre of your being, otherwise you just can't do it.

Mouseface · 10/11/2011 09:22

Hello to MrsJH, don't think I've said hello to you yet Smile

Ma - don't worry about the book, it'll be a nice Christmas present for Nemo Smile xx

Thurso - how are things with YOU? How are you feeling about DCs? Not seen you around much...... xx

Faire! - who are you? You seem familiar, have the same name as a Babe that was here..... but you are WAY MORE POSITIVE and do you know what? It's so lovely to see such a Brave Babe changing the way that you have over the last few months.

Grin

Off to Stay N Play with Nemo soon, grey and cold and meh weather here today. If it stays dry, I might go for a walk with him later. Fed up of being in the house due to the crappy weather.

Be back later Babes

dementedma · 10/11/2011 09:30

mouse is right - as ever. when there are other issues distressing you, you cannot give every ounce of your energy to stopping completely, because that is what it takes initially. Depending on your drinking habits, start with cutting down if you can do that - if you can stop after 1 glass, 3 glasses, 4 pints, 1 bottle or whatever. Even one mouthful less than your usual, is a step in the right direction. If you usually down 100 units a week, and this week down 99 then yay for you!!! Next week, it might be 98, and so on. Accepting you have a problem is the first step and a huge one - took me a long time to even get there!
I am probably "down" to 50 units a week, still too much, still doing myself damage but I'm still here and I'm still trying. Listen to those old hands who are doing so well in beating the demon - miflaw, venus, bproud and the fabulous jesus Grin but don't beat yourself up if you are not there yet. There are others doing well, mouse, noteven etc and there are serial pissheads like me and indie Grin Grin
Set yourselves the tiniest of targets if that's where you are in your life so you can feel success. When you empty that tablespoon of dregs in the wine bottle down the sink, don't think "shit, I drank a whole bottle again, I'm useless", think "look at me, emptying wine down the sink. Look how strong I am and what I have achieved tonight. Tomorrow, I might empty half a glass away".
Whew, long post to say its a long, long road full of potholes, but Gerald and the Babes will get you there!
Here endeth the sermon.

Theala · 10/11/2011 10:55

Hi, and thanks for all the good wishes, lovely babes. Unfortunately, I did end up on the wine last night. I know it's stupid, but I haven't yet found anything else more effective to numb the pain and knock me out so I can sleep. Went to see my GP this morning and he gave me a different anti-inflammatory so hopefully that'll kick in soon.
In the meantime, I've made a bargain with DH that I'll stay sober tonight if he gives me a massage.
Sorry for the self-pitying whining. I read all your lovely posts about being off the booze and they make so much sense, but I can't seem to stop for any length of time myself. :(

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:04

Blush hello. Bugger. Thought I'd turned some kind of corner. Right, try again I guess.

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:10

You are all right - my life is a mess. Affairs, religion, booze, stress, new job (enforced because of the affair) the lot :) I'm trying to kick the booze to deal with the rest of it. My poor kids. I've posted many times on relationships under various names about my car crash of a life - kicking the booze is very much necessary

Theala - I had a reactive arthritis after a bout of salmonella some years back - I know how utterly miserable life in constant pain is. I cried all the time and was unable to enjoy anything. Walking was agony and bending down literally impossible. I feel for you so much - do what you can to take care of yourself

dementedma · 10/11/2011 12:11

Theala and Leatherette - you HAVE turned a corner. You are both here. i can't stop for any length of time either but this place gives me hope that I will.
Nobody said this would be a short journey and this bus - Gerald is his name - is a bit like the Hotel California - you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:19

ma that is very inspiring. I would love to believe I can kick this after 20 solid years. Its just so much a part of my life and it was manageable until around this time last year( if a bit shit). But the worst year of my life has seen me double my intake to around 140 units a week and I've gone from being what I considered a bon vivant - good wine, chosen carefully to a hopeless drunk.

Theala · 10/11/2011 12:20

You and me both Leatherette. Day 1 again for both of us. Let's try and do this together, eh? :)

Thanks for the tea and sympathy, and sorry to hear about your problems. I've found that when I'm off the booze, I can make "life" decisions a lot more easily though, you're right there. Do you want to talk about the other stuff here?

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:31

ma Oh God it would genuinely take days! Ha ha. And I wouldn't know where to start :)

how did you end up here?

Theala · 10/11/2011 12:33

Aw, thanks Ma. Hotel Californina always makes me think of this version now:
It always makes me laugh. :o

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:50

MIFLAW I was just reading JWN's original thread - your 'watch the film to the end' thing struck a chord with me.

I would have done well last night - its so bloody annoying. I had just exactly what I planned to cut down to - one bottle of wine for me and DH's normal 6 cans. He came down with a bug of some sort and went to bed. So I messed up with his. :(

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 12:51

blossom you sound like things are going well! Hows stuff with the other half?

sillysillymum · 10/11/2011 12:53

Ma and Mouseface - you just knocked me for six. You're right (of course). I don't think I'm ready to stop completely. I'm finding myself thinking about nothing else except having a drink. I was gasping for one from about 9am yesterday! I've never even thought about having a drink in the morning before. And I think the cravings could have actually been symptoms of mild anxiety - tight chest etc. I think that because I've told myself I mustn't drink again that that's all I want to do. Like when you're on a diet and all you can think about is food.

This is soooo intense isn't it? I have felt really, really good and super-healthy at times but it's also very draining. You're absolutely right, Mouse, I do need to sort out the other stuff as well (thanks for your thoughtful and supportive words yesterday, Venus, I bet you are a wonderful mother Smile). If I try to abstain completely I'm going to fail, I know it. I have cut down a hell of a lot and I need to feel pleased about that, which I think will give me the strength to come to terms with everything else. Sorry for going on again. This is very cathartic though. I don't know what I'd do without you lot Blush

Leather and Theala - you're on the bus, that's progress in itself Smile

Hello to everyone else

X

sillysillymum · 10/11/2011 13:02

Blossom, well done on the just one glass! Don't think I've ever done that! Was DH OK/supportive about it? Bet you're feeling boingy today x

Leatherette · 10/11/2011 13:04

what do you need to sort out silly?

MrsJoshHomme · 10/11/2011 13:34

Now day three for me and I think and I can manage today. I really cant shake off my anxiety. I do have a doctors appointment booked next week with my favourite doctor (she is always booked up) and I really don't know what I am going to say to her as alcohol has never been a subject we have talked about. I feel almost (i think because i like her) that I have let her down, when of course its just myself I 've let down. But I must go as I have got myself tied in knots. I have always had problems with my back and for the last few weeks I have had aches (not pain) in mu shoulder blades that at times radiates under my bra line at times - mild discomfort really in my ribs. Tends to go away when I have rested. My chiropractor says it is referral from thorasic and diaghram but I keep winding myself up thinking its discomfort in my liver. I am well in every other way apart from mild asthma. I have had this before and it went away on its own. I am such a tit getting so wound up when there are so many of you on here that have and are having a tougher time of it. So I will shut up now with my mentalist rambling and me me me. Grin

I am going to catch up with everyone else and see hows things and be back later.

have a good day babes x

blossom123 · 10/11/2011 13:50

Hello, I was feeling good but getting really stressed about money today, decided to call people about debt and outstanding bills, horrible CCJ's the whole thing is like tidal wave, in truth I am not sure I will be able to abstain tonight, I feel a bit sick with worry Sad sorry to off load.

notevenagunpowderplot · 10/11/2011 13:52

Hi everyone,
(Must name change back). Sorry I haven't posted, can't keep up as I would like, real life keeps getting in the way. I guess I just wanted to offer a bit of my story and the fact it doesn't have to be like this.

I joined the bus just over a year ago. At the time I was a daily drinker, I didn't realise, much less accept, that I was a hopeless alcoholic. I tried to cut down. Occasionally it worked for a bit. Change drinks. Ditto. If I wasn't drinking I was thinking about drinking. I was try to hang on to my daughter, my relationship, my job, and most of all, my self-esteem, and they were all crumbling, but I couldn't see it. I started trying to stop on November 20th, 2010, when I phoned AA in desperation.

I wasn't ready to stop, or I still didn't accept my alcoholism, or I needed the crap kicking out of me for a bit longer. Maybe all of the above. I would stop for weeks at a time and then drink with devastating consequences that led to my daughter being taken into care. She saw me drunk 3 times this year. And that was all it took for social services to act.

Whenever I stopped, I still had to live with being me. And it has taken months to develop any sort of liking for myself. The self-hatred, fear, guilt, remorse and shame consumed me, and when I was dry, they consumed me all the more. The drink was the symptom, the problem was far deeper, a problem of thinking and of coping with my feelings. I had to stop drinking to make any progress on me, but when I stopped drinking the feelings became overwhelming.

Fortunately, AA isn't a religious programme. I do have a strong faith, but all I needed was to believe that alcohol was stronger than me, so I had to find something stronger than it. I wasn't a bad, evil person, but my thinking was very sick and I (for whatever reasons) had never learned to accept/like/love myself. How did I ever think I could raise a child hating myself. The one thing I hope is that DD never feels as bad as I have, and yet I was going the one way most likely to make that happen. I was desperate enough to have an open mind, to finally stop lying, to be willing to do what it takes however much I really don't want to.

I've got a long way to go but there's a bit of peace in me today. I am rebuilding friendships and relationships. I am contentedly single but not fearful about that. I didn't get willing overnight, but even the tiniest bit is enough to make a start. I was frightened and couldn't imagine life with or without alcohol. My "market research" was necessary - I needed every drink I ever had to convince me.

Someone asked about physical changes and what people notice. I haven't lost weight because I have taken hungry,angry,lonely,tired to extremes!! But I look far better, my skin is better, not flushed and not dry, my eyes are clear, I wake up clear-headed, I sleep. I can let myself have and do nice things, like baking, sewing, chatting with friends, and genuinely enjoy them. I can look people in the eye and say, "I'm really well, thank you, how are you?".

Enough wittering. It's a good life, I haven't found any disadvantages yet, and it's just there, waiting, for anyone that wants it.

BafanaThesober · 10/11/2011 14:03

Hey All
Just checking in.
Been touring the country - Cardiff, Portsmouth, Southampton and London all in the last 5 days!!
All good though, although on Sunday morning, it was interesting to see all the overindulgers stagger in after a long Saturday night. Felt good to not feel like that.

Welcome to all the newbies, stick with us, it does get easier. I promise.
Waves to everyone else

Bafana

Theala · 10/11/2011 14:10

blossom I know how tempting it must be to drown your worry worries, believe me. Drinking is such a waste of money though, and it sounds like you could put that money to much better use. Can you come on here tonight and talk to us instead of drinking? I can be here and we can not-drink together.

Thanks for telling us your story, noteven.

blossom123 · 10/11/2011 14:19

thela Thanks, I will try to be strong, I thought I was being brave tackling this huge pile of unopened letters. just give me panic attack, deep breathing now
Noteven thanks for sharing your story
leather in answer to your question a way back no bloody dp was not supportive, kept trying to top my glass up, I just sat there looking @ it telling myself how disgusting red wine smells LOL. Have to say his consumption has gone down loads past couple of days, one bottle too many though. Are you feeling a little better now?
MrsJ hope all goes well at the Dr's

thurso1 · 10/11/2011 14:36

Afternoon everyone!

Mrsmousie Thank you for asking after me Smile xxx. I am ok, I have been feeling very down, a combination of the empty house too much lots of work, and new work that I am unsure about, and a sick sort of feeling that I'm on a treadmill to no avail. But, no big deal in life's rich tapestry, and I do feel that my worries are as nothing in comparison to many others, although I know we're not in a competition!
How is lovely Nemo, are you still getting your couple of hours respite, and what are you doing with it? I hope you take a precious hour now and then to just be, and not do (fat chance, eh Grin, I know what you're like xx).

I can't add better advice to those who have arrived at the realisation that they want to do something, other than what has already been said, and said much better than I ever could. But, the anxiety and fearful feelings do go, certainly the unfocused and insurmountable fear and anxiety that comes after drinking. Anxiety and fear of things that are actually happening in RL doesn't go away, but one is able to deal with things (or not) without that irrational monster in your tummy.

I hope I've made some sense Confused, I think I've drivelled!!

Love to all
Speak later xxxx

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