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Where is my DH? What should I do?

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sooooworried · 14/10/2011 18:25

Don't really know what I will gain by posting this - hopefully some good advice.

I am 6 months pg, DH has a drug problem which surfaced a few years ago and is in recovery. Going to Narcotics Anon and seeing a counsellor. Apart from that he is perfect in every way and I love him deeply. Since finding out about his problem (which he kept hidden from me) I have been 100% behind support him to stop. He has tried hard. In 2.5 years this problem has been known to me he has relapsed a handful of times, nothing for 9 months, then 3 times in the last 6.

We both work full time and call and text each other lots all day every day just to keep in touch.

Today was a normal day - he got up with alarm, got ready for work and left after making us both breakfast which we sat down to together. He said he had a busy day ahead (not unusual). He left for work at 8am and I worked at home today. I was also busy and around 2:30pm called him - normally we would have been in touch a lot prior to that but I hadn't contacted him and he hadn't contacted me. Occasionally when we are that busy that will happen. His phone went straight to vmail, I left him one. I phoned him again an hour later, then phoned his work phone (mobile) straight after, nothing. He texted at 15:38pm "Love you darling. Wll call later. Busy day. xx" I have phoned and texted lots since then - my texts getting more and more frantic and nothing. He should be in NA right now - I assume he isn't there and is on a binge somewhere. He would phone on his way there - and would know that if he hadn't spoken to me all day to call.

His pattern isn't to binge away from home but at home on his own. He hasn't done this before. I am soo worred about what is happening to him. If he was at NA he would call the second it finished (7:30pm) and then text me all the way home. I am praying he will call at 7:30pm with a "Sorry baby, really busy day didn't get a minute phone was playing up, just out of NA, see you in half an hour, love you" but I know this is stupidly naive. Where is he? Why is he doing this? What can I do to find him?

OP posts:
MrsJRT · 16/10/2011 22:50

OP, I was you 4 years ago. When I've composed myself I'll come back and tell you my story. Yours has just brought it all rushing back right now.

wannaBe · 16/10/2011 23:15

fifteen g? Hmm

swallowedAfly · 16/10/2011 23:15

if you won't see a lawyer as math suggested at least make it your aim to find out exactly where you stand by your own research. emotionally make that journey in your head of really if it has to be over what would i do, where would i stand - research it and know it wouldn't be the end of the world yes there is a plan and i know roughly where i stand IF i have to go down that path. just know where that exit door is and what it entails - it will make a big difference to your state of mind. i agree with math a lot on this.

LOLerskates · 17/10/2011 00:32

Good luck to you lovey, that sounds like a very difficult situation. I think you've made a good start. Stick to your guns. I had a horrid time with my ex when I was pregnant (not drugs, other stuff) but he also made a big deal about his depression, suicide talk, how difficult me being pregnant was for him. Er, pardon? But I put up with so much, and bowed to his wishes so much, because being pregnant I felt so vulnerable and alone. No doubt you are feeling that too. I had no family nearby, but if you do - please talk to one of them!! I know it is hard and you don't want others to know your private business, but you need some serious RL support.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 07:21

Are you sure you want him to go to the police about a drug dealer?

What do you know about this dealer?

That could be quite a dangerous thing to do.

I think math has a very good point about the drama thing - "it's you and the baby or death" Hmm is self-indulgent bollocks.

Also, you have sorted everything for him again - your friend brought him to his meeting, then brought him home. It's the same routine, you are just mire pissed off than usual.

If the safety net is gone, make him feel that it is gone. It sounds like it is very much still there, and he knows it.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 07:52

Are you sure you want him to go to the police about a drug dealer?

What do you know about this dealer?

That could be quite a dangerous thing to do.

I think math has a very good point about the drama thing - "it's you and the baby or death" Hmm is self-indulgent bollocks.

Also, you have sorted everything for him again - your friend brought him to his meeting, then brought him home. It's the same routine, you are just mire pissed off than usual.

If the safety net is gone, make him feel that it is gone. It sounds like it is very much still there, and he knows it.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 07:56

I also think his whole "I might be dying of a heart attack" performance was intended to get you out of your cold indifference to his self-inflicted plight.

You went from refusing to pick him up to being desperate to drive him to hospital.

So he got the pity party he was looking forward to.

At your expense again.

swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 08:14

i might have read it wrong but i think the OP knows the safety net is still there and her OH has acknowledged that it is there and is catching him - the stage they're at is her saying this is the last time it will catch you. now of course it depends on how he uses this opportunity and how prepared she is to go it alone if he doesn't take this opportunity but that's what is now going to unfold.

stay switched on OP - keep chatting and getting support and strengthening your resolve. don't slide back into where you were with it. i agree that you could use real life support in this from a friend or family member whose on your side.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 08:29

If she's never going to bail him out again, then the safety net is gone. Starting now.

That means no ultimatums, no conditions. Just a detatched insistence that this isn't her problem, and he must deal with it himself.

He managed to turn her indifferent fury into concerned pity with his heart attack bullshit, and now they're back where they always were - promises to reform, dramatic statements about how it will kill him.

If things are different now, make them different.

Make sure he knows that the next time he goes AWOL, he won't be calling you, and he won't be coming home when he's finished.

You can let him do his 12 steps without buying into the idea that he is no longer a cokehead with a serious problem.

Chances are that this will happen again. Be ready for that, even while hopeful that he makes it.

Morloth · 17/10/2011 09:14

Sounds like he is playing you TBH.

Hopefully, you will see him for what he is before your baby is in danger.

He isn't going to change because he doesn't want to or have to.

Good luck.

MrsJRT · 17/10/2011 09:39

Ok. In 2006 i found out the father of my daghter was using Coke. Way beyond his means. Way beyond our means. He changed from what I felt was overnight but had in reality been building up without my knowledge from the loving boyfriend and father that I had known for 5 years to someone I didn't recognise. Oh we had the good times, the contriteness, the promises, they were broken EVERY single time. It wasn't that he didn't love us or even that hs love for us wasn't enough to make him stop, he genuinely didn't think about us when he was on one. He was addicted. I limited his money. Or I thought I did. He went to money lenders, those payday loan places and borrowed money instead, he borrowed money off his friends, off his family, everyone. I told no one, I was so embarrassed and so ashamed, plus I was so convinced that he would see the light and stop for us that I didn't want anyone thinking badly of him, of me. I was stupid. I dragged him to counselling, meetings, acupuncture, anything and everything I could think of. I even used to make him do home drug tests. Pissing in a pot for me? How fucking degrading and not something that should ever be part of a loving relationship. Ever.

I cried so much, everytime he went out with 'friends' I'd be sick with anxiety, I'd torment myself, read his texts, open his post, time off work with stress. I dealt with everything for him, negotiating with banks and moneylenders, anything to keep the wolf at bay, he wasn't grateful for any of it. He was always so sorry, he'd cry, he'd make promises that this was the end. Which it always was until the next time. His need for cocaine was stronger than any love he had for us or desire for a normal family life. His real friends distanced themselves from him, despite my pleading for one of them to help him. They could all see what I could not. He could not be helped. He had to actually want to do it himself, not because I was hassling him. Still i tried, bargaining with him, sobbing, telling him how much our daughter would be embarrassed by him if he didn't pull himself together. Before I had found out about any of this we had booked our wedding, still we marched towards it, I convinced that I could change him. I could get him to love me and our baby more than he loved coke.

One night I discovered yet again he'd spent hundreds of pounds of money we just didn't have on coke. I was terrified dealers would come to our door as we simply didn't have the money. I rang his parents. I told them all about their precious son and his drug addiction. They were mortified, they came round straight away, they gave me the support I so desperately needed and the conviction that despite what e said this wasn't 'normal' and i wasn't being uptight because I myself have never taken drugs. They got him into a programme, things seemed good again, but of course he relapsed, he started borrowing money under the radar, telling lies, God the bloody lies he told, I used to think I was going mental because of the stuff he used to try and convince me of. Looking back I'm pretty sure I started to lose my own mind a bit. On we went, with that destructive cycle, sometimes me kicking him out back to his mothers, telling him we were through, telling him I couldn't cope, I'd always let him back after a few days, really willing myself to believe that things had changed.

It was 5 weeks before the wedding, things had been pretty calm for a few weeks, I was cautiously feeling positive. He went out for a couple of drinks with 'friends' the knots in my stomach started again, the nausea, the worry, the fear. He didn't come home that night. He came back about 11am the next morning. I was beyond worry, beyond fear, when he came back he was obviously still out of it, he blamed me for him not wanting to come home because of the way I went on at him. He walked away from me to go to bed and sleep it off. I saw red and followed him. I went for him. Kicking, puching, screaming, if I had had a knife I'd have killed him with it there and then without thinking. I had truly lost it. I just wanted to hurt him the way he had continuously hurt me. I hated him. I wished him dead so at least I didnt have to deal with it. So anyway. our daughter came upstairs. She saw me hurting her Daddy. I will never forget the look on her face. I stopped, scooped her up and left. I drove to my arents, told them everything, cancelled the wedding and moved out. Told him I no longer cared if he lived or died. I expected him to support his daughter but I wanted nothing more to do with him.

He went seriously off the rails then. Racking up debts here there and everywhere, of course I worried about him but I didn't contact him. He saw our daughter under supervision at his parents house, they were at their wits end. Then, and I still don't know what the catalyst was, he started to go to counselling of his own accord, he started to contact me again, not self pitying contact, not nasty, why did yo leave me contact, more 'i'm so sorry, I can't believe my behaviour, I don't blame you for leaving' contact. Still I stayed resolute, this had to come from him even though my heart was broken into smithereens at not being with him, the man I knew from before the drugs had their piece of him. He got himself clean all on his own, he took control of his own life and sorted it out. Whether it was me finally leaving or the possibility of losing his daughter or what, whatever it was it wasn't me holding his hand and reassuring we could do this together, because we couldn't. He had to do this of his own accord. I stayed in the (not quite) marital home, he moved into his parents and continued on his journey of getting clean and becoming the man he used to be. He asked me out on a date. I went. We started again. Me and the man he used to be. 5 years on we are married (in May this year) and we have a 19 month old son to add to our daughter. It turned out ok for us. But to the OP I must make this clear. Absolutely nothing I did other than leaving him for what I fully intended to be forever was enough to make him want to stop. I don't even think it was that, I'll never know, what I do know is this. I make myself ill over him and he didn't care, I sacrificed so much in terms of money and having a normal relationship and he didn't care. His relationship with coke was far stronger than his reltaionship with me and like I had to be the one to walk away and leave him, he had to be the one to leave the coke behind. Nothing I said made him do it. You can not control him, much as you want to. You can not control an addiction. It will always control him until he changes that. You can only control how you react to it. I feel for you OP because I suspect you have a little while to go before you rech the same conclusion.

Just as a footnote, we're together, married and 2 kids but that's not to say that time hasn't had a huge lasting effect on both of us as people and on our relationship. Coke is a fucking horrible drug.

Um sorry for the essay...

swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 10:00

thank you for the essay mrsjrt! wow - you really went through the mill! thank god you left him - seems like telling family was the real turning point for you.

coke is a very ugly drug. it is so greedy and all consuming. it also really changes people who get hooked and makes them utterly selfish and all consumed and can really change their character.

i worked for a guy in his bar when i was at uni. he took a lot of coccaine. he really liked me so he reckoned and was always trying to convince me to be with him but it was all too messy and i wasn't going there. he ended up losing the plot one night when i tried to leave after work and locking the doors and pulling the phone off the wall so i couldn't leave or phone for help. he didn't rationally want to hurt me or anything he just totally flipped out and got it into his head that he had to keep me there and i must not leave. it took a good hour or so to talk him down and get him to open the door and let me out of there so that i could then get home and freak out in safety.

he was honestly a nice enough guy but he really needed to leave coke alone - it had really gotten into him.

and it's hard to understand because it doesn't even do that much - it really is just a drug for a drugs sake.

OP i hope you're taking in all of this. sorry if my story is irrelevent but i think what i'm saying is that coke isn't the incipient nothing much drug it seems - it really fucks up the brain and the person when they are doing it heavily and takes them out of rational, decent thinking and behaving.

take care of yourself.

swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 10:02

^^ that incident was what they call coke psychosis i'm assuming btw - he properly had a psychotic break there. it can and does happen and they are not the person you think you know when it does happen. not good full stop let alone with a little baby around.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 10:09

Wow, Mrs, what a moving story. It was very generous of you to share it.

I didn't expect it to end as it did, but it was a nice surprise.

clam · 17/10/2011 10:57

And yet it's still widely considered to be a "sociable" thing to take.

garlicScaresVampires · 17/10/2011 12:40

I didn't think he was hamming up the 'heart attack'. Cocaine is a narcotic but also a stimulant. He'd taken a lot of the stuff, so his heart may very well have been in dangerous overdrive.

Weirdly, it's not all that addictive - hence its continued popularity for social and professional use - but, when it gets a hold, it doesn't let go. In rehab, it was only the coke users who had their dealers delivering to the hospital (!) The junkies, codeine addicts, eaters and drinkers all managed to stay clean - at least for the 28 days - but the coke heads couldn't :(

A huge amount of crap is talked about 12-step recovery. It's the best chance most addicts have, mainly due to the self-awareness and self-responsibility 'steppers' develop, often for the first time in their lives.
Here are steps 4 to 10:
4 - Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves
5 - Admitted to a higher power, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs
6 - Were entirely ready to have our higher power remove all these defects of character
7 - Humbly asked our higher power to remove our shortcomings
8 - Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all
9 - Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others
10 - Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it

.

I'm not sure if this is scaremongering, but it might be worth mentioning that coke addicts are often alcoholics and sex addicts as well. Not always, by any means - but the underlying 'need' tends to prompt the parallel behaviours :(

swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 12:47

yes it's definitely something that hits extremists imo and ime - the ones who already couldn't get enough of 'other' stuff - like sex and alcohol or sociability. it honestly seems like it's discriminatory as to who it gets a hold of - most people can't imagine getting 'addicted' to coke but others it really grabs like that.

i wonder if one day we'll understand more about the brain and differences between our brains that make us more likely to get hooked to things or ways of doing stuff - the hard wiring if you like.

point is for those who do get addicted i agree it is a really strong/tenatious addiction. bloody hard to understand from the outside - my brain cannot compute the appeal of locking myself in a hotel room and shoving multiple grams of coccaine up my nose. i would balk at the thought of spending that much money on something that benefits me so little let alone the effects on my brain and health and life. i don't get it. thank god.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 17/10/2011 13:06

Yes, definitely agree that coke hits people harder than others.

Plenty can manage a few social* lines, but some people just can't manage it.

The same is true of alcohol, for all that. If you described a binge of a serious binge alcoholic it would not sound too "social" either.

I'm sure he did feel like crap after his binge. But I think he played it up for everything it was worth.

This guy seems to get a buzz from worrying his wife and then basking in her concern. I'm sure he didn't like being told to make his own way home one bit.

How better to get back to being the centre of attention than by creating a drama where he thought he might die?

15g isn't unusual for this guy, but this is the time he's suddenly afraid his heart might burst? Sorry, not buying it.

Cokeheads are selfish and manipulative. I'm sure he convinced himself be was having a heart attack. Just like he convinces himself that he's really sorry and will never do it again.

*not that becoming a self-obsessed motormouth is really all that social.

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swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 13:56

sounds worth a read maryz.

that's the tricky thing isn't it - that the selfishness is probably dressed up in total deludedness and denial in such a way that they really do believe themselves innocent in it all at core.

i doubt the thinking is in anyway straight.

swallowedAfly · 17/10/2011 13:59

i just got that book for £1.40 with free delivery off of amazon OP if you fancy it.

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MrsJRT · 17/10/2011 22:14

Thanks everyone. OP, I hope you're still reading, I hope it all works out for you and if you need to I'll chat with you on or offline. I've been you and I know how soul destroying it is. Talk to people around you, it's not you that has anything to be ashamed of, coke is a filthy drug and it turns the brightest of people into complete fuckwits but there is nothing you can do to stop that downward spiral. All you can do is look after yourself and your baby and hope be steps up and takes responsibility for himself.

2010Dad · 18/10/2011 20:51

That 15g he took was probably about 5% coke and 95% cutting agents. Coke is shit! (unless in South America/Caribbean/etc)

That 15g was prob the equivilant to about 2g of decent stuff. What a complete waste of money.

And it's a rubbish drug anyway.