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How many of the men in your life have used prostitutes, compared with how many who haven't? I'd like to ask for help or perspectives on this?

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aliasforthis2 · 01/10/2011 21:27

I'm a semi-regular poster but obviously have name-changed for this.

I feel sad and like I've seen things I cannot un-see.

So if you can be reasonably sure that your husband or partner or ex or other male in your life has NOT used prostitutes post please post here.

Likewise if any males in your life HAVE used prostitutes please post here too.

And also if they gave reasons for either doing it or not doing it or given their views on the sex industry please post them.

Hopefully it will give me a more balanced perspective than my current "all men are johns who did these things" and help my recovery.

I worked as a prostitute for 4 years and stopped/exited nearly 18 months ago. The reason I started working as a prostitute was because it was sold to me as a glamourous and easy way to make money. At the time I had many debts and was working minimum wage and living totally hand-to-mouth with no room for manouvere,if an unexpected financial burden hit like a bank charge, we would be screwed having to choose between food and electric. A friend worked for an agency and I'd seen Belle du Jour and naively thought it would be like that.

Anyway, I am now out as I just couldn't handle it anymore. A very small percentage of the men were ok but the vast majority did things like -
-try to take the condoms off
-have poor hygiene and refuse to shower first worried it would take up their 'time'
-try to get service for less money or even steal back the money
-try to force services i did not offer like anal
-be unashamed about the fact they were partnered or had a wife at home
-speak to me disrespectfully and patronising, saying things like "I want to get the most for my money" etc
-scrutinize my body and give me advice on how to look better or compare me either positively or negatively to other ladies
-try to take up mush more time than paid for deliberately
-sometimes maybe once a month i was assaulted leaving bruises or spat on or held in a house
-a lot of phone or text harrassment
-most wanted young women the younger the better ie 18-20. i'm serious when i say that this is what most men wanted - young and naive. I answered the phone for the agency sometimes and i'd say three quarters of the men specifically requested 'young' ie 18-21 , 25 at a push.Which I think is disgusting given most are in their 40s wanting as close to 18 as they can.

Obviously not every man did ALL of the above but I'd be hard pressed to find a man who did not try at least one of those things. I don't know any other way to describe it.

I have been single for a while, I had a relationship with a genuinely lovely man I met at my new work for a while (no red flags) but it ended as he became a complete workaholic when starting a company and we drifted apart and split 6 months ago.

Anyway the point of this thread is for me to get a more balanced perspective on men. I had counselling on the NHS for 12 weeks which was helping but they wouldn't fund any more. I have been told by sympathetic friends who are also ex prostitutes (not told anyone in 'real life') to remind myself that it's only a v.small percentage of men who use prostitutes/escorts. But I just cannot see it like that. Every man I see walking down the street I view as a potential customer of prostitutes and treated a person how the customers treated me. I feel like punching them sometimes for no reason. Every married man I know I wonder if they have went to a prostitute with their wedding ring happily on moaning about their wife. I find myself wondering if I will ever have a relationship with trust again. I don't live in a particularly big place or a travelling business place but the sheer hoardes of men calling the agency every day and booking was unbelievable. And more than half would have unsuspecting wives or gfs.

I feel sad and like I've seen things I cannot un-see.

So if you can be reasonably sure that your husband or partner or ex or other male in your life has NOT used prostitutes post please post here.

Likewise if any males in your life HAVE used prostitutes please post here too.

And also if they gave reasons for either doing it or not doing it or given their views on the sex industry please post them.

Hopefully it will give me a more balanced perspective than my current "all men are johns who did these things" and help my recovery.

Thanks x

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pink4ever · 02/10/2011 21:16

Btw I didnt tell op to "ignore" you-I warned her not to engage with you as you have your own agenda-thanks for proving me right.

pink4ever · 02/10/2011 21:16
aliasforthis2 · 02/10/2011 21:17

Is it "drivel" from me , is it? Have you had experience of renting out your intimate parts and emotions to people who despise you and usually hate your whole gender? Having to pretend to like it and pretend to be their "lover" for however long just to stop them from getting peeved at your lack of servitude and start getting aggro with you verbally or physically?

I didn't think so. So stop trying to compare it with just another "market commodity" for whatever agenda you have here, don't give me any of your sycophantic sympathy, don't tell me what I should or should not realize. It may be important to note here that people in ALL OTHER jobs where you sell something do not need specialist help and counselling after leaving, do they? Why do you think that is moonferret? Hmm

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moonferret · 02/10/2011 21:18

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izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 02/10/2011 21:21

Drivel? moonferret? Drivel???!!!

I've got news for you, honey. Women are not going to be queuing up to get their hands on anything except your assets unless, and until, your attitude to the female of the species undergoes a dramatic transformation.

FromGirders · 02/10/2011 21:21

Directly answering the OP:
I asked DH, because I was 100% sure he never had, and he says he doesn't know any man who has ever used a prostitute. And that's including all the muppets he knows that I'd have been a bit sceptical about. They go out on the pull, yes, but they're only interested in women who are interested in them.

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pink4ever · 02/10/2011 21:24

Whats that anyfucker did someone say something?

AnyFucker · 02/10/2011 21:24

please ignore and report

pink4ever · 02/10/2011 21:27

I am too frightened to post on this thread now as it appears posts I made that were perfectly reasonable in response to another posters completely disgusting ones have been deleted. Well done mnhqHmm

moonferret · 02/10/2011 21:27

Yeah, report anyone who has a different view to yours...ha!!

garlicslutty · 02/10/2011 21:34

Don't you think men are being financially exploited? No, it's all about you isn't it?

Yes, male prostitutes are also exploited by johns.

Yes, it's usual for threads to be about the OP.

moonferret · 02/10/2011 21:36

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AnyFucker · 02/10/2011 21:41

for anyone reading, my posts were not insulting or abusive

except to mf, of course

no surprises there

aliasforthis2 · 02/10/2011 21:41

I'm not even going to respond to your idiotic questions Moonferret, I have given my whole story and I have not tried to justify away any personal responsibility for choices I've made. If you want to know about why I did not leave read my posts upthread, but I highly doubt it will change your views on women.

But well done, you have effectively de-railed again (although you are accusing it of being all about me) and probably scared off Ohmetoo who is still struggling with her situation in prostitution and came on here trying to get some help. Instead she has just come face to face with the kind of disgusting attitudes she has to deal with on a day-to-day basis from people with attitudes just like yours. Well done you.

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moonferret · 02/10/2011 21:41

No garlicslutty The point I'm making is that she is simply seeing it all from her point of view and not considering others. Anyway, it seems that someone on this thread has access to the "delete" button for posts they don't agree with. So I'll probably leave you to all agree with yourselves...

Bogeyface · 02/10/2011 21:43

she is simply seeing it all from her point of view and not considering others

Well DUH!!!!!!!

AnyFucker · 02/10/2011 21:43

I am really sorry, alias

this is all too common on MN

the de-railing is rife and very damaging to honest posters such as yourself

Bogeyface · 02/10/2011 21:44

And one can only assume that you know about being exploited as a customer because.............

moonferret · 02/10/2011 21:44

DUH indeed! I had to reword my original message in case you didn't realise Bogeyface...DUH!!

AnyFucker · 02/10/2011 21:44

mf, still you think it's all about you

not just your horrid posts have been deleted

well done to you in decimating this thread wil deletion after deletion

your mummy must be so proud

beatenbyayellowteacup · 02/10/2011 21:45

alias you sound strong and self-aware. please don't let misogynists get to you.