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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships 5

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 26/09/2011 21:50

Welcome!

This is the latest instalment in a series of threads for those who are in abusive relationships, those who have left abusive relationships, and those gearing to leave.

Come vent, share, give and receive support.

The first question you may be asking yourself as a new visitor to this thread is:

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.

OP posts:
LeoTheLateBloomer · 15/10/2011 17:04

Sweep, my DD was born in April last year. I found MN in August and by September was beginning to realise that my marriage was far from 'normal'. I didn't realise at this point that it was EA.

In January I tried to end it and he was gone for all of two hours before he came back and convinced me otherwise.

We had a break in March when I moved out for 2 weeks, but again he convinced me that we'd be ok. At this stage I realised he was a bully and had anger issues but still hadn't managed to actually identify my situation as abusive. In April this year the final straw came. I spoke to my HV who asked me if I was being harmed. I said "no" and she said she didn't mean physical harm. She told me to look at Women's Aid so I did and I was horrified. The section on EA could have been written about me. I left the next day.

Sorry, a rather long way to answer your question! I have been incredibly lucky in that I have incredibly supportive parents and I didn't have to worry about where I was going to go. I also knew that leaving was going to be the best thing for DD. There was no way I was going to let her grow up thinking it was normal to throw people's breakfast across the kitchen and call mummy an 'evil bitch' and worse.

Because she's so young I didn't have to worry about what to tell her but I do worry about what I'll say as she gets older. Her father is rather prone to telling her that Mummy hates him etc so it makes me slightly nervous. I'm told that for the most part they work out for themselves what their fathers are like so I'm hopeful.

mirai · 15/10/2011 18:48

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garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 18:56

You've answered your own question, mirai.

He also loved to tell me what I was feeling or thinking and then use that as the reason for the row ... He had decided what my mood was and that was that.

Unless he counted himself telepathic wrt everybody's moods and thoughts, what he said there explains why he deemed it reasonable to be wound up by you and no-one else! You weren't winding him up - he was winding himself up and deciding you'd caused it by your thoughts and moods. Which he 'knew' by his magical powers.

Weird, huh? Glad you're rid of that one!

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 19:01

Leo, I'm delighted to hear you had a clued-up HV and supportive family. As long as you don't feed DC with sugary lies about your relationship with H, they will work it out. It's perfectly possible to tell the truth without dumping adult woes on them.

One of the best phrases I've seen on here was "Daddy didn't treat me kindly or respectfully. It's not good to be around people like that, so now we don't live with him any more."

headnotheart · 15/10/2011 19:05

I preferred for us to be arguing rather than no conversation at all, so I would say something about how I felt knowing that it would just degenerate but was better than nothing. I realise now what a sad comment that is :(

It wasn't all him in a way, I looked at a frog and because of my family background saw a potential prince. Then was cross when he remained a frog, but kept on kissing! We have known each other for 41 years, been together for 40 years, it was on and off for a few years, then we bought a house together and married 8 years later. So we've actually been married for "only" 27 years.

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 19:06

Welcome, Sticker. Your advice was sound - stand very firm, be very clear and don't engage with any of the button-pushing, string-pulling, emotional crap. It's all games and you choose not to play anymore.

Remaining disengaged can be pretty damn difficult, especially while you're still living together, but it's the best way to protect your interests and your sanity. I know you'll get plenty of support on here. Good luck!

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 19:11

I looked at a frog and because of my family background saw a potential prince - yeah, me too :(

I've finally realised, with long-overdue clarity, that both XHs were repulsive men. Not just fucked-up fuckwits, but truly repugnant individuals with values out of a sewer and an absence of empathy that amounts to malice.

Unfortunately, this probably means at least some of my family members are too. I'm going to have to start picking apart what I know about them, soon. Might have a rest first, though, and wait for my freshly-minted awareness to soak in!

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 19:13

... It also means I'm binning all the mutual friends and my ex-in-laws, of whom I'm still fond. If they can love a person like that, they are not people I want in my life now.

I feel as if I'm giving myself surgery!!

HerScaryness · 15/10/2011 19:42

Newbies! lurkers! FANTASTIC! WELCOME!

Thanks so much for coming and sharing your experiences. You are not alone now.

I admitted to myself a few years ago that I kind of was with a suped up version of my dad.

Oh yes, that old chestnut.

Haven't spoken to him either since 25th of June.

bellsring · 15/10/2011 20:15

Mirai - I said the same thing to ex - I bet you wouldn't treat other people like you treat me/talk to me. "No, why would I," he would reply "they don't behave like you do/treat me like you do". That's why I posted a while ago about how there was literally a flip switch in his personality and, it sound a bit pathetic, but I watched him switch from Mr. Nice/Personable/Friendly/Polite/Charming when he was chatting to the neighbour to Mr.Angry/Contemptuous/Seething with Hatred/Brooding mode. Because you do think, how come everyone thinks he's a nice guy.

sweepitundertherug · 15/10/2011 20:20

Thank you leo and well done for getting out x

I am petrified.

He'll be home in a bit & I am already full of dread. What will his mood be like. Will I do anything unwittingly wrong.

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 20:25

Can you mange not to care, sweep? Let it wash past you, good or bad? It's not a solution, but it can make life easier.

MadameWooOOoovary · 15/10/2011 21:21

Another one here who picked her Dad (shudder). He instilled in me a very familiar and comfortable mix of love, awe and fear, adding a killer dose of vulnerability to really get me hooked. Angry
Had a bad day today, obsessing over him again. At least I'm past the stage of wanting him back, but the behaviour and my response to it continues to bug me. Very annoying but I'm comforted by how far I have come.

Welcome newbies! We are a friendly bunch so just dive in. Smile am on phone right now so will check out your posts properly later on.

BibiBatsberg · 15/10/2011 21:39

I was just standing reading over the bill of rights on my fridge. It struck me how I'm now able to read it and wholeheartedly agree with every single one.

Not so long ago the words 'my rights' would make me so uncomfortable that I couldn't even entertain the idea for long. Also, each point on the list used to be immediately met with lots of 'yes, but's from my internal voice.

Its a nice feeling to really believe that I have all of those rights regardless of who else is in my life.

Love the frog and prince analogy and 'kept kissing' - it's so true! That might go on my fridge as well as a reminder.

headnotheart · 15/10/2011 21:49

Thought I would copy the other thread I started into here :)

Hi, name changed, was on the end of the abuse thread (I was the one who ran away for the night to a hotel...)

Anyway, I finally got round to reading the medical records I requested and received over a year ago from Secondary Mental Health Services. This contains a large amount of material accumulated since they first became aware of me in 1993. It has taken till now to pluck up the courage to even open the package.

It makes very interesting reading.
Very interesting indeed.

Before this, I had seen a solicitor and will be filing for divorce. OH's reaction to this news has only confirmed that I have made the right decision. Anyone would think that this September just gone he didn't state to me very clearly that he wanted us to live in separate accommodation! My immediate reply to this was that in that case I wanted a divorce. I even offered him the opportunity of being the petitioner! (He declined. No way would I make him that offer again, and I definitely shouldn't have made it in the first place.)

I am transcribing my notes. They seem to me to bear out my realisation that OH has been abusing me for years.

Anyway, I have done quite a lot of waking up in the past few weeks. Much of this has been due to the posts I have read on Relationships.

So I want to say thank you to you all. Thanks

LittleHouseofHorror · 15/10/2011 23:02

Hello to the new recruits, sorry to see you need this wonderful life enhancing thread but you are in the right place to sooth your soul and learn what you need to survive.

I have had a lovely 24 hours. I am now 13 months out of my marriage of 24 years and last night had a works do. The manager told me she has never known me as happy and relaxed before and that I am a really nice kind patient person and should be proud of myself for my courage and holding everything together this year. Admittedly she was a bit drunk but I nearly cried.

Then at 7am my lovely NM turned up with coffee and parties and climbed into my bed for a cuddle. We have had a day doing his sport and enjoying each other and he said he couldn't imagine me being angry.

This is such a contrast to last year when my ex was portraying me as an abusive bad tempered failure in life. Guess it wasn't me then? All I needed to do was get away from him! But he still has put up with himself.

LittleHouseofHorror · 15/10/2011 23:03

Pastries not parties!!

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 23:03

Thank you for that, hnh, Thanks to you too!

It's interesting how living with abuse often leads to mental illness during and/or after the proximity. If we don't make the link ourselves, the professionals would have to be incredibly alert to spot it. Thank goodness some are, and even bigger thanks for this forum, which can lead us to make the connection for ourselves.

I know I'm not alone in having behaved very erratically - even abusively - during my 2nd marriage. It was the result of his gaslighting, and my mood swings were dictated by his abusive cycle. I could easily have been diagnosed bipolar or BPD. As it turned out, my depression was linked to the parallel abuse at work so that started the healing process for me. I really have Mumsnet to thank for helping me incorporate what happened in my marriages to my overall recovery.

I'm so glad you have clarity on this. Wishing you all good luck, wise support and moral strength for the battles ahead.

Misspixietrix · 15/10/2011 23:14

welcome Newbies & Lurkers, headnothurt I know exactly what you mean? I would rather have an half an hour argument with him than have to deal with the horrible atmosphere that comes along with contempted Silence. Not sure I picked my 'Dad' too, he was abusive too (alcoholic) but he calmed down & changed for the better; maybe that's why I clung on so tightly to twat for so long hoping he would change too :( extremely tired this evening, night all hope you have a good night's sleep :) x

BertieBotts · 15/10/2011 23:22

Hello, survivor here - almost two years :)

I came onto MN in January 2009, I had a 3 month old baby, and was feeling very isolated in my relationship. Sometimes I do searches under my first nickname with the term "DP" just to remind myself what he was like day to day and what I noticed was wrong with the relationship before I realised Blush it's interesting looking back to the change in me before I realised and after. I can also read the absolute exhaustion which was present in my posts at the time.

I think it was a few months before I started thinking "That's me." when I read certain Relationships posts. It was the end of that summer that I found the NPD thread and at that time I was starting to get seriously frustrated by just how weird and unpredictable XP was and how I couldn't speak to anyone about him because nobody understood what he was actually like. I was also having serious regrets about being in the relationship but thinking that this was it, I was stuck with him for life, I'd made that choice and that was it. I remember DS was going through an unsettled sleeping phase which would wind XP up and I'd take him out for walks in his pram, partly to get away from the arguments and partly to get DS to sleep, we'd walk around the council blocks and look up at the windows and wonder how many of the occupants were single parents and whether they were happier than I was.

I know it was the end of summer because I spent a horrifying and enlightening week reading the NPD thread, and then we went on holiday. I couldn't say anything before the holiday, so I went on it, and just pretended everything was fine. But really I was watching and analysing XP's every move, it was bizarre. We went on holiday with a friend of XP's who was actually nice (unlike most of his friends) and it was interesting to discuss things with him, although I never mentioned the NPD or the label "emotional abuse".

I finally left in the December, mainly because it took that long to find somewhere to move to in secret. I was lucky that I had the support of my mum, and once I told her, I wanted to leave straight away. I actually felt, once I'd spilled everything, that I couldn't possibly stay there another day. But I did, and though it wasn't fun, it wasn't much worse than had been before.

I used to have the dreams as well. Always one particular person (in my case, an ex) - I actually feel grateful to him, though of course he didn't do anything! But just as a symbol of hope. Those dreams got me through. They were so vivid and strong, as well. They are as strong now as any memory formed in real life, for me.

Misspixietrix · 15/10/2011 23:26

cross posted you garlic Bibi and Littlehouse Littlehouse so glad you've had a lovely 24hrs, hope you have many more you deserve it :) Thanks Keep hope everyone, this will be you one day in the future :o I'm allowing myself to enjoy daily things first and not even looking way too scared to look that far ahead just yet x

garlicScaresVampires · 15/10/2011 23:31

Bertie, all your more recent posts are beautiful and full of wisdom Thanks

bejeezus · 15/10/2011 23:48

hi

mirai i can relate to what you are saying exactly. my stbxh always did/does tell me how i was feeling what i was thinking..but more so what my motivations were...he used to say that I would pick fights with him before we were ever due to go anywhere, like away for the weekend to stay with friends or family, to make him feel stupid/uncomfortable. Of course it was him doing the fight picking so he had the excuse to not come or to sulk for the whole time.

bejeezus · 15/10/2011 23:58

why why why why why has my mum taken his side?

she balled me out yesterday for getting a divorce/ for treating him so badly/for using him...no wonder he behaved the way he did!!!!

up until i became vocally unhappy with him, she has been a lovely supportive mum. i dont understand at all. i would never want my dds to stay in a relationship where they were unhappy even if it wasnt abusive and it was all their fault. She is really angry with me. Its making me a bit wobbly. i know i still have to go ahead with the divorce-even if it is my fault, it is still too unhealthy a relationship. but its brought back huge feelings of guilt. i was feeling quite strong. And i feel like we need to be strong to be able to make the best of it for the kids dont we. kids have watched tv all day. i laid on the sofa

LeoTheLateBloomer · 16/10/2011 09:17

I've been free for 6 months today!! It's a great feeling Grin

bejeezeus when I've heard of mums supporting their daughters' partners it's often been because they've been abused themselves but haven't realised it. They see that as 'normal' behaviour and believe they've been provoked in some way. Could that be the case with your mum?

Stay strong (and if you need a day on the sofa with the kids infront of the tv then so be it.) Have you read the bill of rights?

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