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Got married a week ago - we are no longer speaking to each other

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RockinSockBunnies · 28/08/2011 09:21

I don't know if I'm being a bitch, or if DH is being unreasonable, or if things will improve. I'm so miserable right now and have no idea how to deal with everything. Apologies as this is going to be long.

So, got married to DP last weekend abroad, in his home country (don't want to say where as will out myself even more). He is from this country but has been in England for 12 years. I have a 10 year old DD, he has an 8 year old DS. We live in England but are currently staying at his sister's house, with her family, his mother and our children.

We got married here to save on costs - it would have been way more expensive getting married in England than here, and we wanted a low-key, family ceremony. My mother came over for the wedding, his family and a number of friends came from other areas of the country we're in. Most guests were all from his side.

So, I'd never met his sister before, nor stayed at her house. My mother, who is in her 70s and is beginning to suffer from memory problems caused by strokes came out here, not knowing anyone other than us. She paid for our flights as a wedding gift, contributed towards lots of other things and paid for her flights too (well over a thousand pounds).

DH's sister had done all the organisation - we had communicated before coming out by phone and email. I'd said we had very little money and had tried to reiterate that we wanted things to be simple. DH's father had said he's pay for the Reception.

Anyhow, first few days here were hectic - I'd been booked in for hair, nails, facial etc (none of which I'd asked for but person doing it was a friend of DH's sister so I didn't question it). Ceremony itself was lovely. Then things have gone rapidly downhill since.

My mother (who was only here for a week, for the wedding) hates sitting around doing nothing - she likes to be active, going to places, doing things (gardening, doing dishes - anything at all, rather than sitting around). Nonetheless , she fell in with plans, tried to be cheerful. DH's family organised endless socialising - lots of food, drink, BBQs etc. Anyway, on the Tuesday I'm presented with an invoice from DH's sister for a significant amount that was totally unexpected. I'd thought that DH's dad was paying for the Reception - turns out that this covered just a meal and no alcohol, snacks or anything like that. Then I'd been billed for facials, pedicures etc that I'd not wanted.

I asked DH to check about Reception costs - he refused. All week he's been doing whatever his sister or mother have suggested and has ignored anything I've wanted to do. I spoke to my mother about the invoice and I was very upset as the costs were totally over what I'd expected to pay - there had been no warning that we were suddenly going to be thousands of pounds out of pocket. DH's sister then called me into her room, since she saw I was upset, and then proceeded to lecture me, shout at me and say that my attitude was 'sickening' when I said that I thought her father was paying for Reception (which in my understanding would be food and drinks for the day following the ceremony). DH took his sister's side in all of this. My mother and I were in tears for the evening and my mother then flew back the next day as planned. My mother told DH's sister that she would cover the costs when she got back to England. In the meantime, DH wrote a cheque to his sister covering the amount, from money in his bank account that had been set aside to pay off the cost of my engagement ring. So, essentially, I'm now contributing towards the cost of my ring from our UK joint account.

The rest of the week has been fairly fraught. I'm in a house with all of DH's family and only my DD from my side. DH's son is autistic so being around him 24/7 is difficult - at home he's with his mother half the time or at school, so easier to deal with. DH has been telling me to get my mother to pay the money. I asked why it was my mother that should pay and not his father. He said that my mother had got off 'pretty lightly' in terms of costs and that she should pay. I disagree.

To make matters worse, all his family and I and DD are off together for our 'honeymoon' that his mother has organised. This is her gift to us. Frankly, and I may be being a totally ungrateful bitch here, I can think of nothing less 'honeymoon' like than being with his family and our children for four days in the same place, sharing a room with the children.

All I want to do is go back to England but of course have to stick it out. I hate that DH hasn't supported me in any of this and that he's being so horrible to my mother, who's given us so much, is suffering from the effects of mini-strokes, who flew all the way here to celebrate and is being kicked in the teeth for it. DH is out with his family now and I'm at home, avoiding everyone and feeling totally miserable. I can't see the woods for the trees, am utterly fed up, tearful and wondering how the hell things go from here. I have no idea if things can be salvaged. I just feel like a complete failure.

OP posts:
WhoseGotMyEyebrows · 31/08/2011 08:10

told him that I wouldn't be asking my mother to pay anything and told my mother I didn't want anything further as she'd done so much. DH is still adamant that I am the one in the wrong by querying the invoice and the fact that his sister has dictated everything. He also maintains that my mother is also in the wrong.

Why does he say your mother is in the wrong? For not paying out for the wedding? Really?! That was never on the cards, she can't just be expected to hand out thousands of pounds just because he and his family demand it . . . after the wedding!!!! He's a money grabbing pathetic little shit who doesn't support his wife in any way.

RockinSockBunnies · 01/09/2011 09:25

Logging on briefly before leaving to fly back to England this evening - am so grateful that I'll be back on home ground.

Haven't really spoken to DH for the last three days, other than communicating over very basic stuff (do you want coffee etc)? Woke up repeatedly last night, getting in more and more of a panic about how to split up when I get back to England. How to minimise the hurt for DD.

I just keep kicking myself for getting into this situation. I should have broken up with him after my grandmother died and after he made such horrible comments. But we did talk then, and he did apologise in the end and I thought that things could be ok - we had a lovely few weeks. But of course, the reality has sunk in and I do not want to be in this relationship.

Given that we're married under the laws of this particular country, it seems that an annulment isn't possible given the circumstances, so I guess that means I need to get a divorce. Will do research when I get home. I also want him to move out - my mother has offered to move in with DD and I and help out and I could get a lodger too to help with rent.

I am just so so stressed. My fingers have been trembling and I feel nauseated. I feel such an idiot.

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2rebecca · 01/09/2011 09:34

I suspect the hurt for DD will be minimised by her not seeing her mother being bullied and belittled. If your husband wanted this marriage to work then he would have been spending the past 3 days talking to you, being nice to you and would be intelligent enough to realise that you don't jeopardise a lifetime of marriage for a few days of keeping the peace with your parents and siblings.
If he has only been in your life for 2 years then there shouldn't be that much to sort out financially.
See a lawyer as soon as you get back, an anullment may be possible if you move quickly, not sure how annulments work..

RockinSockBunnies · 01/09/2011 09:44

I just feel that I have screwed DD's life up royally. Her biological father walked out on me when I got pregnant and has had nothing to do with us. I finally meet someone I think is good for us, she bonds and then it all falls apart.

Will see a lawyer when I get back.

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GreatNorksOfFire · 01/09/2011 09:59

Rockin, have a safe flight home.

Ultimately, doing what is best for you will be good for your DD. She will see that you have been strong and not accepted such horrible treatment from a partner. In the short-term she may well miss him a bit. In the long-term she will grow understanding what a strong and amazing woman her mother is.

I agree with rebecca - if your husband had any sense - and any love for you - he would have been doing everything to make things up with you over the last few days. Sounds like he has done nothing to reconcile things with his new bride. This really does not bode well for the future - one week married and treating your new wife like shit. Also - and this is where I get angry on your behalf - he is on home turf, in the safety of his family and familiar surroundings. He should be doing everything he can to make you feel welcomed and at home in his environment. Shame on him for doing the exact opposite.

Good luck Rockin - sounds like you have a fabulous and supportive mother (hey, 3 generations of great women!). And thank God it's Thursday Smile

heleninahandcart · 01/09/2011 10:18

Rockin its understandable you are worried about leaving this relationship behind, you thought you had finally found someone to be there for DD. Believe me, he would also have let her down at some point. Far far worse to have that happen than for you to decide to make a clean break now.

Safe journey, you have your Mum on side, you will be fine.

bigeyes · 01/09/2011 10:27

rock You are being very brave, its not easy to acknowledge the realisation that you've made a mistake - we all have with relationships along the line with consequences being to a lesser of greater degree.

Re your DD it is better that you explain truthfully in simple terms. The decision you have made is savingher from further heartache down the line.

If you are serious about getting a divorce, dont tell him until you have copied all paperwork. Move any of your personal savings into an account in your daughters name. Freeze your joint account and organise any direct debits/bills to be paid otherwise and for your earning to go elsewhere. YES I have said all this practical stuff as if he was harsh about money re the wedding he may be when you tell him about split.

I read through your posts, I am sorry for your bad time, his sister in particular sounds like an awful awful person. Stay strong and resolute. Getting your mam to move in with you is a good move.

This is a stressful situation for you, please dont hesitate to see your doctor if you are not sleeping, I know it all sounds calculating but if you need there support for your health and you will need it on your records. May sound cynical but Ive seen all sorts of things used against women, you dont know how he will respond.

Ultimately you need someone for you not just because they are good for your DD, though I can understand why this is hard for you.

honeyandsalt · 01/09/2011 10:38

What norks and bigeyes said.

You can do this.

2rebecca · 01/09/2011 10:45

In his sister's defence she did organise the wedding and would not have been expected to pay for it herself. I also find it odd that the OP considered snacks and drinks the day after the wedding to be part of the reception costs. To me the reception is just the cost of the venue for the wedding day and the meal immediately after the wedding plus possibly some drinks. I've not been at a 2 day wedding and usually guests buy their own food and drinks the day after a wedding.
The OP and her husband have been passive about the whole thing and should have taken control. In many cultures the bride's family do pay most of a wedding, so the fact that the groom's parents paid alot for his sister's wedding isn't relevent. This should have all been sorted out beforehand though.
Once the OP and her husband realised they would be landed with a huge bill (I still don't see how a couple of facials and pedicures and snacks and drinks for a few guests the day after a wedding can come to thousands of pounds though, this sounds a really extravagent affair) they should have looked at it as a financial problem they would have to face together though. The groom expecting the OP's mum to pay for it if she had not agreed to do so before and had no input into the costs is obviously unreasonable, but so is expecting the groom's family to pay more.
It was the couple's wedding, they didn't take proper ownership of it, the SIL wasn't reigned in and given proper direction and asked to itemise costs beforehand.
If the relationship was good then the financial pain of this wedding could be seen as a temporary set back. The groom's attitude and him taking no responsibility for getting himself and his wife in debt and not supporting his wife emotionally and showing he loves her and telling her that the money stuff can be sorted long term is the real problem.

2rebecca · 01/09/2011 11:31

Rereading the OP perhaps I misunderstood a sentence and when the OP talked about expecting his parents to pay for food for the day following the ceremony she maybe meant the day of the ceremony where as I presumed she meant the following day ie the day after.
I still would never assume alcohol costs are included in reception costs. At my first wedding my parents paid for food but husband and I for alcohol, at my second wedding we paid for food and drink as both sets of parents had already forked out for previous weddings for us. No snacks at either wedding as the ceremony was in the afternoon.

garlicnutter · 01/09/2011 12:53

I think the point about that, rebecca, is that the wedding was driven by the in-laws. The trimmings were not ordered by the bride, who agreed to marry abroad because it would be cheaper! At the time when you thought you were embarking on a lifetime partnership, having a low-key family wedding with your new in-laws, you'd need the temperament of a warrior to go "This isn't what I wanted, I don't care what you've already booked, cancel it and fuck yourself!" ... then go and stay in their home, wedding imminent.

She was railroaded all the way through. It was bullying. The husband should have stood up against it but, instead, ignored his new wife's concerns and took the bullies' side - to the extent of letting her think ILs were paying for the trimmings THEY ordered, not telling her he was going to tap her mum for the costs!

It's outrageous. Poor Rockin.

diddl · 01/09/2011 12:59

I have the feeling that had OP set a figure it would have gone higher than she wished.

Seems to me that SIL & husband are willing to play "fast & loose" with anyone else´s money.

Why oh why would an adult male be thinking that his wedding costs are his pensioner MILs responsibility?

Jux · 01/09/2011 13:10

I think Rockin thought her not-so-dh had sorted things with his family, though, 2rebecca. Personally, if I were about to marry I would believe my partner had talked to his family about costs etc if he had said he had, which is what Rockin thought (I think!).

Rockin, you will be fine and your dd will be fine, though it'll be a bit rocky at first. You'll both get through it; your mum's a gem btw.

ShoutyHamster · 01/09/2011 13:17

Thank God you're thinking the way you are.

Get home, tell him to fuck off. You're right, it was a huge mistake but everyone's made one of those.

In terms of your DD - far, far worse to have a mum who can't admit she's wrong and to be stuck with a stepfather who's actually got a nasty, unsupportive side to him and who clearly reckons his birth family are going to be number one regardless of his new commitments.

Well done - get to a solicitor once you're back and make it a good one - I don't know how your assets balance between one another but I hope that the brevity of the marriage means that you don't end up losing out financially to him.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 01/09/2011 13:46

rockin so sorry it has escalated to such an extent that you are considering divorce. Have to say, the whole scenario sounds like a recipe for catastrophe, but even if he felt that he had to pay his sister, he could have at least treated you as an equal partner in the misery! I don't think there was much choice in paying the sil, but it could have been the making of your marriage as in, 'we're in this together...' type of way, but rather he seems oblivious that he was responsible for any of this. He should have discussed the money aspect with his sil like you asked him to. Is there any reason he doesn't want to discuss money/finances with his family? Has he given them any impression that he has perhaps a more successful career than the truth warrants? Is he embarrassed about his income?

Maybe you are regretting getting married there, but even if you did a registry office ceremony in the UK, chances are that his family would have insisted on some sort of reception when you visited, so you would have had this problem at some stage with his sil on the ground there planning/organizing.

So, the main bone of contention is that he didn't support you or back you up. Maybe all he knows is choosing sides and sees things black/white/right/wrong, whereas in this situation it's fairly clear there were so many misunderstandings and non communication that assumptions were made, clouded by cultural differences/opinions. For instance the comment that your mother, 'got off lightly...' is a fairly offensive thing to say. However he may have meant that most bride's families where he is from pay for the wedding and reception and all the costs, so asking her for a contribution is reasonable. Obviously you wouldn't ask your mom for any contribution as she already paid for flights, but perhaps he always felt that should help out financially?

But he seems to have real problems in not supporting you at least the way you want him to do, and he seems to dig his heels and assert his own rightness when confronted thus escalating the situation.

Am fairly sure that you have to be married for a year before you can be eligible for divorce, but of course he can move out etc.

mathanxiety · 01/09/2011 14:57
Animation · 01/09/2011 15:05

"Why oh why would an adult male be thinking that his wedding costs are his pensioner MILs responsibility?"

Diddl - good call.

Rockin - nearly home. You're doing good. Smile

bigeyes · 01/09/2011 15:27

Im sure somewhere further up the thread rockin said they had advised of a limit. She said they made it clear they didnt have much money.

I read the beauty treatments comments as if the sister was getting them done as a favour from her friend. However whether she was or not, whether money was agreed or not

The sister was nasty
DH didnt stick up for her
No one seemed to be bothered about her - just money
The DH in particular the money from her mother which had not been agreed.

Then sadly it unfolds as he has form for being un bothered by his partners happiness re Grandmother story. How awful for rockin

Proudnscary · 01/09/2011 15:52

I feel very sorry for you but, my God have you been a twit...ridiculous not to know exactly who was paying for what. (And crazy to think the beauty treatments were all free unless expressly told so).

But mostly a twit for staying with this man who has shown you and your family nothing but contempt.

It's your daughter you need to focus on, as you say. She's the innocent victim in all of this, not you and certainly not him. But best to cut this 'marriage' off right away and not waste any more of your precious time - or risk causing damage to your daughter.

I do hope you are okay and that everything works out for you - put it down to experience. Good luck

Allboxedin · 01/09/2011 19:05

Rockin, Havent read the whole thread so not sure where exactly you are, but do get in contact with the embassy here in the UK. I wrote to them when I was in a similar situation and they wrote back and explained where I stood etc. I will read back, but are you sure the marriage is legal and recognised here in the UK. The problem (or blessing!) I had was that I got married in a country that was not on the list from where the UK will recognise marriages (Its along time ago but I will try and find it for you) I guess because they have a lot of fake or sham marriages coming from those particular countries. Sorry, I know it must be really confusing for you right now, take a step back and tell yourself you can get out of this. Many of these people are absolute charmers and it can be difficult to stand up for yourself and know how you really feel x

kalo12 · 01/09/2011 19:12

i would get an anullment and give him the engagement ring to pay for the costs! poor you. no advice really , this must be very difficult for you Sad

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Animation · 01/09/2011 19:28

Spamming Suzy - that's a bit cheeky!

MmeLindor. · 01/09/2011 19:30

Have reported Suzy's post.

Not on. Spamming a thread about the break up of a marriage.

Allboxedin · 01/09/2011 19:33

I doubt the first thing on OP's mind is a quaint little make over and photoshoot! What the heck is a mystic housewife anyway?