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After divorce, trying to move on is like doing a square dance with both feet tied together. Update.

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Wisedupwoman · 07/08/2011 09:06

First came to MN (a life-saver) in March:

Then DH, now XH (very quick divorce) was into second OW which I found out through his deceitful, sloppy and disgusting attempts to take the cowards way out. Could not believe the man I loved for 20 years had spent 4 years lying and cheating his way through life and who then went on to try and manipulate all our DC's (and still is, divorce doesn't change anything).

We are now into mediation, I have a sol who is waiting in the wings to advise on settlements. I have, despite all the turmoil, secured a better job on higher salary and our DD has a place at 6th form. XH has been living with OW since he left, and I went no contact within 2 weeks of his leaving. He hates this as he is unable to control the situation so interrogates DC's - my adult DS's have cut him out, yet XH still tries with eldest DS, who finds it hard not to feel sorry for XH despite his awful behaviour. All our friends have cut XH out, none of them liked him it turns out and his colleagues have long called XH 'the artful dodger'. So this was a man who led a double life and I have been trying to come to terms with this and move on.

This thread is about that - trying to move on and deal with the reality that whilst I am trying to hold my chin up and tits out, XH is going to be a part of my life through our DD whether I like it or not.

I want to give my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to everyone who has thus far been so wonderful and unstinting in their MN support for me - who have walked the journey with me even in the midst of their own sadness.

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Wisedupwoman · 28/01/2012 19:14

Hi.

No. it's not good. God, I wish I could say it's ok but I can't. I think me and NM are hitting the tubes and I don't know which way to turn.

Why do I think this? I feel terrible, I don't trust that he means what he says despite his assurances, I'm so frightened he's going to cut and run that I want to finish with him before he does it to me.
I know my head is messed up because of my mum. I feel physically sick with fear and dread that something else bad is going to happen and I really don't think I can cope if it does.

I'm a good person and I can't help but wonder why this has all happened. I just want some happiness but it seems to evade me. I'm up then down and there's no middle ground.

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Heleninahandcart · 28/01/2012 20:28

Hi Wisey sorry to hear you're low. I recognise that feeling of being scared he will leave, just ride through it for now. If he does (who knows) you will still be ok. Your strength has come from you, all you. He is a comfort, yes and the only thing that is all for you but right now for want of a better expression he is incidental to bigger things. Meanwhile, let him support you as he has been.

Do nothing now. You have got used to having to drive everything, progressing things. That is a huge responsibility and it has probably diverted you from your feelings to a degree. That has also been useful, but at some point after the funeral you will get the equivalent of the post relationship crash. You are allowed to just be.

It's not surprising you are up and down. You have been subjected to the most horrendous time this past year and no one would be just 'over' that much upheaval and emotional pain. Sometimes life goes like this, I don't personally believe the adage about 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger'. I think sometimes, what doesn't kill you makes you worn out, tired and fearful about the next thing because you now know that can happen. We only have so much resource to deal with crap.

For the record, you are a very, very good person. Give yourself a break x.

izzyisin · 28/01/2012 20:48

Take a deep breath and try to get your fears into perspective,Wisey.

You know that nothing is certain in this life; when it comes to having your world turned upside down by the unexpected, you've been there, done it, and got the scars t-shirt to prove it.

The joy that unexpectedly came into your life in the shape of NM led you to a place of certainty that 'there is a god' iyswim; a sense that those who invest their hopes and dreams in adulterous spouses only to have them cruelly dashed, will be rewarded for their suffering by enjoying better times with better males who won't cause them hurt and pain.

You were happily floating on cloud 9 when the first pull of gravity exerted its force by way of the prospect of having to sell the home that represents such a large of chunk of your life. Although you may have known that this could be the case from the getgo, these thoughts were one that you could easily push to the back of your mind.

Unless we're accustomed to living a nomadic lifestyle or possessed by wanderlust, the prospect of dismantling and selling the family home is unsettling and daunting for many- and more especially when there's some degree of force/economic necessity rather than it being an entirely voluntary undertaking.

It wouldn't be surprising if you felt unsettled by such a prospect; as if the very floorboards ground under your feet was no longer where you thought it would be. And then, as if to reinforce your uncertainties, came the unexpected loss of your dm and the shock is only just beginnng to reverberate through your mind and your body (take care of yourself, btw - it's especially important that you eat well atm, even if you don't feel like it).

How the gods mock us lowly little mortals - or could it be that the demons of bitter experience sense our weakness and pop up through the trap door to beset and torment us with unfounded doubts and fears?

Given the circumstances, your doubts about NM are understandable; how many of us can read minds and know for sure what the other person is truly thinking, planning, scheming behind their mask? After all, ptm was blithely doing the dirty on you when you didn't have a clue what he was up to.

Although NM has proved to be a stalwart so far and you have no actual reason to suspect that he's cut from the same purple cloth as ptm, your self-preservation instinct has kicked in big-time and you want to retreat to place where you can't be hurt again.

The only way you can stay in that place is to detach from those you love, close down your emotions, and retreat from any involvement with people. Do you want to miss out on the joy of loving merely because you don't want to be hurt again?

You dread that something else bad is going to happen and you really don't think you can cope if it does? Trust me, Wisey. Whatever happens, you'll cope because you survived before and after ptm and before NM appeared - and if NM cuts and runs, you'll cope and continue to survive.

Get yourself back down to that beach and get skimming, gal. Ponder on the thought that the love we give others enriches and empowers us - even if it is thrown back in our faces.

The saying has it that it's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. If I hadn't loved others I'd undoubtedly be considerably richer in the material sense, but I'd be impoverished in every other way - and so would you be too, honey.

Your thought for the day is Job: 'the thing that I feared is come upon me'. Don't let negative thinking cloud your vision.

January's nearly over; the catkins are growing long on my hazel tree and I can see the buds on my apple and plum trees from my kitchen window. Spring's just around the corner and the sap's beginning to rise. Look forward, Wisey, and believe that this will be a good year for you - your dm's going to make sure of it.

I'll be thinking of you on Monday and in the meantime, here's another raised glass of Wine to Sheila Stewart Mackay.

Dozer · 29/01/2012 08:23

Aaw, wisey xxxx

There is randomness in life/death, none of us are in control, there are no guarantees or rewards for "good behaviour". it's terrifying: when bad stuff happens it exposes the fragility of everything.

Just take care of yourself in basic ways.

Wisey, you may have been up and down, but though you may not feel it you have been strong in the middle ground since you started this thread, just keeping going with work, DCs and now NM. "middle ground" isn't quite right for the maelstrom you've been in, but iyswim you seem to be someone who can acknowledge and handle stuff: flashes of happiness and sadness, anger etc altogether. You have grabbed the good, tackled the bad and live in a really true, loving way. And you've been helping your lovely DD to do likewise.

Try not to over-analyse re NM. He / your relationship will come through or it won't: if it doesn't you WILL be OK!

Hugs and best wishes, we'll all be thinking about you xxx

Yes izzy, here's to Sheila Stewart Mackay Wine

Heleninahandcart · 29/01/2012 12:37

Wisey we'll be thinking of you tomorrow (massive hug)

Thermalsocks · 29/01/2012 13:47

Wisey, I just wanted to say that I shall be thinking about you tomorrow.

I had to organise the funerals of my DP's and DH. I found them to be a huge ordeal, a huge hurdle to be got over and something to dread, on top of the normal grieving.

I found there was an artificial high and much laughter, the day before and at the gathering after, as family and friends get together and exchange stories.
Then there was a huge sense of relief (and exhaustion) that the public part of grieving was over, but also an inevitable crash when I was back on my own.
I am not particularly religious but I have to say that I also felt a feeling of great peace as I walked into church.

It is only when all that is behind you that you will really begin to sort out your feelings towards NM.

The death of a parent is a tremendous life event (as is a divorce of course), no matter what your relationship with her was; in fact it is probably worse if it was a bit difficult as you will possibly have some guilt mixed up there as well.

So just try to let things flow for now, let the turmoil of another emotional upheaval subside before you begin to confront your feelings towards NM.

Sorry, I can't seem to do emoticons but here's another toast to Sheila Stewart Mackay and to Wisey. X

Wisedupwoman · 29/01/2012 14:38

Wow, what tremendous and thoughtful responses, thank you all Smile.

I can't really think of anything to say in response except you all have so much insight into my life as it is now (and why not, I've bared my soul here often enough!). Yesterday was the worst day I've had in a long time, and today is better. Lots of RL friends are making themselves available to me (again), feeding me and listening - as is NM.

I'm rather tempted to go out and buy a bottle of Harvey's Bristol Cream Sherry, my mum's favourite tipple back in the day. I have a comical photo of her one Christmas in a maxi dress with a large schooner of the stuff and a cheeky grin on her face.

She thanks you for your good thoughts, I'm sure of that.

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AnotherMumOnHere · 31/01/2012 17:03

Hi there, Wisey how are things with you now? I hope you are feeling better and life is being good to you. xx

izzyisin · 31/01/2012 17:15

I passed on the Bristol Cream, stuck a bottle of La Ina on ice, and raised a schooner to your dm yesterday lunchtime, Wisey.

I'm sure you did her proud and I hope you heard some stories that will comfort you in the coming months.

wiseoldowl · 31/01/2012 20:40

Lovely post by Izzy,
Hope you are OK Wisey, as much as you can be.
((hugs))

Wisedupwoman · 01/02/2012 07:50

Hello.

I agree wisey that post from izzy was lovely.

I was pleased that the funeral was simple and short. My DF would not have a wake and so I went to see my mum's sister afterwards and we talked all afternoon about my mum. I learned alot that helped me understand how come me and my mum weren't as close as I wanted us to be. I don't think she was happy in herself but i know she'd want me to be.

NM has offered to 'share' his DM with me and that's very touching.

What now? I don't know, just getting on with things and back to the fight to free myself from the legalities of my past.

PTM is still living in la la land - DD tells me he's buying her a car for her birthday. Clearly he's adopted saffy's advice of ignore, ignore, ignore which, for the rest of us who live in the real world, is only good advice when dealing with twunts.

I am not a twunt. Grin

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Doha · 01/02/2012 08:22

Oh wisey you are definatly not a twunt Smile

Saffysmum · 01/02/2012 22:29

No, you are so clearly not a twunt. The world is apparently full of them, but I am soon to be divorced from Lord of the Twunts. This title is bestowed on him because he has, over the past few weeks, surpassed his previous twuntishness, and moved on to a higher plain. His Lordship is now breathtaking in His twuntishness:

  1. Allowed 2nd daughter to throw her 16th birthday bash at his house, which he assured me he would supervise. Then stayed out all night at Lady Twunts, with his mobile phone off, after leaving daughter and 20 of her friends alone with a fridge full of spirits that he had provided. Said I was over-reacting when I 'admonished' him the following morning, after daughter had returned home in tears at 3.00 a.m., because some of the lads at the party had got drunk and starting fighting. Then went mad at anyone within a 20 mile radius, because after finally returning home, he found damage in the house, spilt beer everywhere and vomit in the carpet. Refused to take any responsibility for the fact that he had stocked the fridge or left a load of underage kids alone, all night.
  1. Said that Lady Twunt was hurt by eldest son and his constant refusal to meet her. Said that ES should accept that he had moved on, and had a right to be happy with her Ladyship and stop being so selfish and self absorbed.
  1. Cancelled youngest sons guitar lessons without notice, because he could no longer afford the twenty quid it cost; then said he felt 'let down' by YS, and couldn't understand why he was upset; told YS this, whilst wearing a new designer top and cashmere scarf (which probably cost more than all the bloody guitar lessons have cost in total).
  1. Told ED that her mum is a "gold digger" because the Judge has decided that his Lordship should pay my court costs. Told her this over the phone, on his way to Paris with her Ladyship for a weekend away.
  1. Told his solicitor (who told SHL) that I should 'pull my weight' financially, and go back to medical school and train to be a doctor, so that I wouldn't be so dependant upon him. SHL told me this, with her tongue firmly in her cheek, in a phone call after I had done a double shift in A&E. SHL and I had a good laugh, and she sent back a suitable rebuff. He then texted me to say he was "hurt and bewildered" by our response.
  1. 'Forgot' to turn up to YS school achievement evening.
  1. 'Forgot' to take DD to medical appointment.
  1. Didn't send a message to any of us, or BIL (his 'best mate') on the first anniversary of darling sister's passing. But phoned BIL two days later, asking him if he could fix a fence panel in the garden.
  1. Posted a photo of Himself and her Ladyship, taken in Paris, on Facebook, and offered to have the photo made into key ring fobs for all the kids. Said that I was behind their refusal, and ES's response that he'd prefer it made into a dartboard. Said that I had 'poisoned his kids against him'.
  1. Said that he would spend his birthday (next week) with his own kids, but was taking her Ladyship, and her kids out for dinner. But he hoped to 'catch up with them soon'.

Now, darling Wisey, that is the definition of a Twunt. Rest assured my love that if you hopefully live to be a 100, you won't even scratch the surface.....

chin up sweetie x

Wisedupwoman · 02/02/2012 07:02

saffy if PTM lives to be 100 not even he could aspire to such breathtaking depths Shock and Angry

Actually I'm speechless.

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Anniegetyourgun · 02/02/2012 08:48

Saffy!

Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock Shock

That's one for every item on the Twuntlist.

To quote the classics, this guy is unbe-fucking-lievable.

And Her Ladyship wants to be with him? She's a piece of work 'n' all.

McNaughty · 02/02/2012 09:18

You know how they say that fact is stranger than fiction. Saffy, thats one hell of a catalogue from your Ex. I can never quite get over the way in which these people reinvent themselves.

Its as though they had a slight tumble, got up, dusted themselves over and started living a different life. Rewriting hitory doesn't give them a secnd thought. I agree with Annie, the OW is equally responsible. What a pair of scumbags.

mummytime · 02/02/2012 10:51

Saffy your twunt is truly supreme. I find it hard to believe that someone is so self absorbed.

Congratulations on being a great Mum, and I am sure all your kids will value you highly.

LiarsWife · 02/02/2012 12:11

I've just got to the end of this thread - what are SHL and PTM please?

Wisey - you are fab ... as are you Saffy .. and what a twunt!! Shock

Heleninahandcart · 02/02/2012 12:53

Wisey good to see you keep on keeping on.

Saffy my jaw was on the floor, he is truly the Twunt of Twunts. For now. There is always room for a new contender.

To both of you, I do love the way that your kids have come out with the most apt reposts to the deluded STBXs

(He) Posted a photo of Himself and her Ladyship, taken in Paris, on Facebook, and offered to have the photo made into key ring fobs for all the kids. ES's response that he'd prefer it made into a dartboard. Priceless

Here's to amazing Mums. Thanks

catsrus · 02/02/2012 16:35

liars SHL = shit hot lawyer and PTM = Purple Trouser Man (IIRCGrin) there was an episode when his attire was somewhat striking!

LiarsWife · 02/02/2012 16:43

Thanks catsrus Now I know what that one isn't in the acronym list :)

Dozer · 02/02/2012 23:23
Angry
Dozer · 02/02/2012 23:24

Wisey, thinking about you and hoping for some calm times for you Brew

Dozer · 02/02/2012 23:28

Saffy, am glad there're women like you in the NHS!

Wisedupwoman · 03/02/2012 18:04

catsrus it still is. He has taken to wearing some sort of clog-boot thingy's, probably thinks he's one of the ragged trousered philanthropists (except he ain't) Grin.

Liarswife Thank you. So hope your name isn't true to your situation (suspect it is though Sad)

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