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For those with a narc mother (long, rambling)

167 replies

Odille · 10/05/2011 15:39

I know I shouldn't expect any different from her. I'm here for a rant and a bit of hand-holding if I'm honest. It'd just be good to hear from others who actually understand what life with a narc mother is like. Also, any tips for support e.g. weblinks or books would be appreciated.

Backstory:
I'm basically middle aged but only realised my mother had narc traits in the past couple of years. I can now see the typical pattern of our relationship through childhood / adolescence / adulthood. I've recently become better at setting boundaries and actually walked out of her home after she said something particularly nasty. I'd done the "if you keep talking about me like that I'm leaving" threat and carried it through.

Anyway, I've just had a fight with her. Probably the first time I've spoken truthfully to her about my feelings if I'm honest (I've a very superficial relationship with her.) Basically, during my recent pg I have tried to have the typical mum/daughter experience that outsiders expect. Several times she has taken things that she knows I want to be kept private and told others. Last year it was a miscarriage, I have told only very close friends who I knew would be supportive, she has told the local gossipy types that ensure everyone knows (i.e. people who don't even know me.) I was very clear afterward and during the subsequent pg that the only message to give out to others is "Odille is fine, the baby is fine, give her a call if you want to chat (i.e. know more.) I was clear that I am private about certain things, that I'm telling her things I don't want spread any further. (I know. Why did I try?) So last week I gave birth and in a fog of morphine mentioned things that I would have normally kept private. And of course it's all out there and in Chinese whispers fashion has become more dramatic than the reality with people calling to hear about my "horrendous birth" - not in a supportive way but in a gossipy way. So, I'm annoyed with myself for mentioning any details, but also told her in no uncertain terms that I can't believe after all the previous conversations that she still won't accept that it's my decision to decide who knows what. She doesn't get it at all, actually said that she knew I'd have told C (my best friend since childhood who also gave birth recently) so it's hardly a secret. When I said that I want to concentrate on the happy event of having a baby rather than dissecting a birth story with random callers who last phoned to hear the gory details about the misc her response was "women like to know these things". She wouldn't accept that just because someone asks for details doesn't mean they have to be given. (She's told enough details that people are calling me to hear the rest.)

So, she's not talking to me (yes!) and I know I'll be painted as The Bad Daughter but as I've worn that crown so often that's fine.

My partner thinks I should just ignore it for a quiet life and behave as though nothing's happened. (That's his style for emotional stuff.) Her style is to not talk about things but seethe silently so she'll not mention it again. (E.g. she could ignore me for months on end as a child if I did the wrong thing, ignoring birthdays etc while she was annoyed and until I worked out what I'd done wrong and was suitably ostracised.)

Anyone else been there?
Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Tourelles · 11/05/2011 13:44

Mine wanted me to get back with Ex - before he told them what rubbish grandparents they are, all the effort is made seeing my sisters children and our DD, very little. He compared her to his mother who is older and a widow and comes to London all the time on the train, she could not cope with that...

Now they hate him.

ScaredOfCows · 11/05/2011 13:45

Is it just mine, or are yours all charm itself to other people?

bustersmummy · 11/05/2011 13:46

oh completely charming.

but can cut the shite out of you at the drop of a hat.

Usually if you don't do what she wants.

jellyvodkas · 11/05/2011 13:46

Think destiny set me on a course to fall upon this site...because I need it.
I worry all the time about the horrid / sad relationship I have with my mum....I just wish she was nice to me......yes, even as a mature mother myself with 2 grown up kids.

Allalone0 · 11/05/2011 13:48

Yep defo charming to others.....

SlightlyJaded · 11/05/2011 13:48

Another one here - who knew there were so many? :)

Since having my DCs, I have come to realise how utterly unhealthy and selfish our relationship has always been. She is textbook: spiteful, self-absorbed, hurtful and cruel and then swings to tears, 'poor me', neediness, clingyness - all in the space of one conversation.

I have not cut her out of my life - she now has mental health issues so I can't really - and I do still feel love for her, so instead I have just shifted the dynamic of our relationship simply by having absolutely no expectations whatsoever.

I assume the worst will happen. I assume she will let me down, be a bitch, cause a drama etc so I limit the amout of time I spend with her and any nice time we get (which happens sometimes) is a bonus.

MizzyWizzyDizzy · 11/05/2011 13:50

We shall be poor but at peace bustersmummy. Grin

ScaredOfCows

My father very charming in a arse licky way, very subservient to those he deems to be powerful ie 'rich'.

My mother is the perpetual victim...she gets her ego boost through people pitying her...so yes, she is charming in her way I suppose.

Allalone0 · 11/05/2011 13:53

Mine is also very good at crying in front of others and making herself out to be the VICTIM, and then i look like and feel like the cruel, bad one.
But i now realise im not the cruel bitch I have been made out to be.

RubberDuck · 11/05/2011 13:54

Charm itself to other people and will usually use me as the butt of the joke to make me sound awful to them - twisting something I've said, or make an achievement of mine sound really frivolous.

She makes herself sound very generous and doting mother/grandparent too. Always offering to loan us large sums of money for various things but then when it comes down to it, the money is never there (not that I'd want it - I'd imagine there'd be so many strings attached to it) but she's very public that she's offered.

Gifts at Christmas and Birthdays, she always expects to be given the perfect gift but doesn't like to make any effort to choose her own but woe betide you if you get it wrong. She expects us to choose all our gifts from her on her behalf, but she then didn't like any of my ideas, expected me to order them myself and then wrap them myself. It would be less exhausting if she'd just write a cheque and be done with it (but she can't do that because there's no "thought" in a cheque apparently - well she's not putting any thought in of her own, is she!!)

Now I've started ranting, I'm finding it hard to stop! A lot bottled up here, I think.

bustersmummy · 11/05/2011 13:58

Here's an example.

I don't drink. Hardly ever, one glass of wine at Christmas is my limit (I have damage to my kidney from infection so it's on medical advice.)

Every Christmas and birthday I get given a bottle of her favourite coffee liquer.

RubberDuck · 11/05/2011 13:58

The victim thing sounds familiar too. She tells people (in front of me) that no-one helped her when my dad died. We travelled down every weekend (3 hour drive each way) for a year - this is the first year of marriage, so we had hardly any quality time together as a new couple at all.

Then after that year, she had a car accident so we did the every weekend thing again for another year. She made me feel guilty though that I didn't move in with her to look after her and only see my husband at weekends when he came to visit. For years I felt that she was right to make me feel guilty and that I'd been a lousy daughter, but looking back on it I can see that I really did make the best decision - it would have wrecked our marriage.

It's a testament to my lovely dh that we got through those years, actually.

MizzyWizzyDizzy · 11/05/2011 14:03

Grin My parents have never in over 18 years of having grandchildren chosen or bought a gift off their own back! I have always done it...I have even chosen and ordered gifts for other grandchildren!

As for gift giving for us siblings, we have always had a cash donation for birthdays/xmas/weddings/anniversaries etc the last 'gift' other than cash I received was in 1977.....

That said....the fall out if they are given cash rather then a gift is huuuuggggggeeeee...and the cost of that gift is all important as well.

Tourelles · 11/05/2011 14:05

We need a NM get together! It's amazing how similar the stories are...

It's good to talk about it Rubberduck - physcotherapy has really helped me, it's still so sad not to have a 'mother', and it really hits me when I see what friends mothers do for them.

bustersmummy · 11/05/2011 14:07

You do realise that every single one of us on this thread is making it up, we're not remembering it how it actually was, we're over-reacting, we have no sense of humour and it's ALL US not them don't you Wink Grin

Allalone0 · 11/05/2011 14:08

I remeber a few of my mums friends actually telling me off for being horrible to my mum. I didnt bother giving my side of the story, cos there was no point they wouldnt understand anyway.

wrinklyraisin · 11/05/2011 14:09

Oooh all this totally resonates with me too. I am only just back to talking to my mother after several months of NC. Not convinced it was a good idea though, time will tell.

My mother is the perpetual Victim, she's had the hardest life, no one has had it as bad as her, ever. She gaslights like there's no tomorrow. She charms the pants off other people (particularly their husbands, she has no boundaries and God knows why these men respond to her but they do) and she is so highly strung and sanctimonious it's hard to have a conversation with her for more than 5 minutes. She wants all my money as I "waste" it and I "owe" her (for what???!!!) and she has constantly belittled me and overloaded me with responsibility from the age of 7 or 8 I was in charge of my younger sibs and got a wallop if they did anything wrong. I never witnessed a healthy husband/wife relationship so now I have my first real proper serious relationship at 33 she keeps telling me "it'll never last" as I would have been snapped up by now if I was worth having. WTF. I mean, seriously. The woman is deranged yet I am soooooooo cnditioned to be her defender that I cannot tell her out loud how I feel. NC felt amazing but then I got sucked back in as she went into hospital with what she told me was heart failure so I felt compelled to talk to her before she died, she was so convincing that this was going to happen imminently. Well, the heart failure was, in reality, a series of panic attacks as none of her children were paying her any attention. So now, guilt-induced, we have to all talk to her "nicely" every week. Grrrrrrrrrr.

I could go on for hours, days, weeks. Am very glad I am not alone!!!

MizzyWizzyDizzy · 11/05/2011 14:09

Erm yes bustersmummy....my life experience is one great big long fib....and I so suffer from pinnochio nose sydrome.......pity me all you nasty mean fibby people! Grin

Allalone0 · 11/05/2011 14:11

Im 34 and have 3 dcs of my own, but i still do want her to just throw her arms around me, she was never really affectionate, as i was growing up.

It hurts when i see her and feel like crap the whole day, so i just stay away.

bustersmummy · 11/05/2011 14:12

Now Mizzy don't you realise that's so selfish of you to make it all about you I have it so much harder than you do, my life is much much worse than yours there's no comparison really

Wink
RubberDuck · 11/05/2011 14:13

Tourelles: the more I think about it the more I think I would really benefit from some counselling. Unfortunately, I just can't afford it at the moment. Maybe in a year or two once I've cleared a big chunk of debt.

Busters: you know, you're saying that with a smile but I go away from these threads and eventually it fades and I DO find myself thinking "surely I'm exaggerating this, she can't be that bad - she's certainly not as bad as a lot of the mothers on the Stately Homes thread". Especially when she goes through her "nice" phases (being interested, doting, lulls you into a false sense of security then BAM!) - it's hard not to feel like you imagined it all. I think that's why I'd really like the counselling. I need to know once and for all if it's MY sense of reality that's really out of whack.

Becaroooo · 11/05/2011 14:14

sigh.

I can relate.

My mother blames her "issues" on the fact that she had 3 children in 4 years and "no help". Erm...yeah, right, what about my dad, who did everything you did and who then sat up all night with you whilst you told everyone you were dying? I know I was young (maybe 9?) but even I knew that people who were dying didnt go outside for a cigarette to "calm their nerves"!

I am sorry you havent had a happier life. But you know what? Its not my fault.

bustersmummy · 11/05/2011 14:15

Rubber - I know exactly what you mean. The thing that has helped me the most is just not seeing her anymore. I just cannot deal with her without it upsetting me so it's easier not to see her at all.

I'm so angry with her I think I'd explode.

Allalone0 · 11/05/2011 14:15

Rubberduck isnt there any free counselling available in your area, from any womens organisations? As thats where i was able to get mine from.

RubberDuck · 11/05/2011 14:15

Alla: my MIL (who is LOVELY) feels very strongly that family is important and that everyone has their own little foibles you have to look past. And I agree with her in principle. I've tried to explain to her what my mother is like, but so much of what she does is very subtle and open to interpretation that it just sounds so unreasonable of me to be so very angry with her. It really does knock your confidence.

ScaredOfCows · 11/05/2011 14:16

I feel guilty for saying anything about her eg on here. I've felt guilty all my life for one thing or another - I was made to, and it's a hard habit to break.

But it is cathartic to realise that I am not alone.

Allalone0 it does hurt doesn't it, the lack of affection. It is expected that I give her a kiss when leaving, it's always been expected. But I feel her physically tense and pull away all the time now. She did that when I was a child during 'punishment' phases - those times when I was ignored for days or weeks on end.

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