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Wife incapable of loving me - what do I do now?

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Nigel10 · 19/04/2011 13:59

It started off as a sex thing - I wanted it more, she wanted it less. Then she didn't want it at all. She admits to having no sex drive at all.
I have spent the past 9 month doing everything I can to inspire some desire in my wife - to make her love me and want to be with me.
I love her so much and only want to be with her but she seems unable to show any love, desire, affection or intimacy towards me. Yes we do have sex (and she enjoys it I think) but she'd much rather be doing something else.
I appreciate this is probably a very common situation but as a man I want to share my feelings on this. I am near breaking point and very sad at the love we seem to have lost. I have cried more times in the last 6 months than in my entire life. I can no longer talk to my wife about this as she says it puts pressure on her.
Simply I need more love in my life, I want to be desired, to be touched lovingly but the one I want doesn't want to do this anymore.
I never wanted an affair but now when I hear about people having an affair I don't judge them as I once would have - I partly understand what may have driven them to do it.
For me I see no way to win back my wife - the more she pushes me away the more I want her, the more love I show her the less she wants me. It's a hopeless mess.
Does anyone share what I'm going through? I'd love to hear if there can be a happy ending to this.
Any advice is welcome - except the obvious. Believe me I have done everything to win back her desires (gifts, spa breaks, backing off, house work, fixing up the house, surprise dinners where we got married, date nights...blah blah blah).
This is destroying my relationship with her and she seems oblivious and unconcerned.

OP posts:
elastamum · 20/04/2011 12:40

Actually Nigel I feel sorry for you. You are getting a bit of a pasting for being a man, which is totally unfair. Yes you can do all of the things suggested on here, but for a relationship to work it needs to be a two way street. Not one partner making all the effort.

So try and talk to your wife, tell her how you feel and then ask her to tell you how she feels. Maybe suggest conselling for you as a couple. But if she isnt also interested in changing the way things are it isnt going to happen.

I speak here as someone who seriously went off my ex over a period of years (mostly due to his serial adultery- but thats a whole new thread). By the end there wasnt anything he could do to make things better between us. He might have stayed together and given it another go, but I divorced him. I was just sick of the sight of him. There was no way back for us in the end.

We both now have new partners and things are much better all round. My relationship with my new man is totally different, much more intimacy between us than there ever was with my ex. The sex is great, although neither of us are young and georgeous anymore. I can imagine growing old with him.

elastamum · 20/04/2011 12:42

Sorry missed your post. Doesnt sound all that good to me. Have you tried Relate??

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 13:13

Oh god that last post from Nigel was nauseating and I note that he hasn't answered any of the questions. However, you don't need to answer them here Nigel, but you do need to answer them honestly to yourself if you genuinely wnat this probelm to be solved, as opposed to giving yourslef permission to have an affair.

"Why he no longer tells her how great she looks, why he no longer buys her gifts, arranges nights away (without kids) books romantic meals, helps as much round the house."

What do you mean, helps as much? You said you both work. You shouldn't be helping, you should be doing your fair share. Taht means the mental work of the organising of the household, not just "helping", as if it's her responsibility.

You do know don't you, that one of the reasons so many men have your problem (wife who won't put out, wah) is that many men have this attitude that women are there to serve them. And even though women do it, because we tend to fall into 1950s domestic work patterns during maternity leave, they are left being a seething, simmering mass of resentment about it. We didn't sign up to be skivvies and have the bulk of childcare and domestic labour fall to us, meaning that we can't pursue our careers to the same extent our husbands do, but somehow that's how we've ended up, even though most couples formally subscribe to the idea of equality, at least before babies come along. And that simmering resentment comes out in not wanting sex. It's not conscious - ti's just very difficult to feel desire for someone who is exploiting you.

And if you aren't doing your fair share of housework, if you are only "helping" around the house, when you are both working full time outside it, then you are exploiting her. And that is probably the biggest passion killer there is and it's one that is never talked about because women are told that they are being petty to worry about the balance of work in the household. But research shows that the more housework men do, the more sex they get. And I suspect that that's because if a man is pulling his weight in the home, thus enabling a woman to pursue her career/ interests outside the home as fully as he does, then the woman he lives with knows he loves and respects her, so she feels more desire for him.

You don't say if your wife works full or part time, but there is a crucial measure of fairness as to how much housework people should do that I think Solidgoldbrass came up with and is as useful as any I've come across: If one of the partners in a relationship is getting signicantly more leisure time than the other, then the housework is not being split fairly. Adn you have no idea hwo much subconscious simmering resentment that can cause, mumsnet threads are full of it.

Ignore if not relevant, but I am genuinely trying to help here. Lots of men simply have no idea about this and I suspect that it's probably the biggest cause of lack of sex that there is.

elastamum · 20/04/2011 13:26

Thats an interesting point HB. My ex had far more time pursuing his hobby (ocean racing!) than I ever did and I ran the house on my own for months, whilst he sailed and had affairs. New man is used to running the show at home, he is very unusual in that did it when he was with his ex as he had a more flexible job. Its one of the things I love about him and that makes him special.

Ormirian · 20/04/2011 13:39

LOL! I just popped home in my lunch hour. Kids all out, DH alone. He was doing the ironing which he stopped so we could have sex Grin Maybe there is something in it the housework-sex continuum theory.....

Truckstop · 20/04/2011 13:45

Leave her.

ChristinedePizan · 20/04/2011 13:45

Ah I see you're a man who 'helps round the house' Nigel. I expect you're also a man who 'babysits the children'.

BertieBotts · 20/04/2011 14:36

Brilliantly put, HerBeggs :)

Blumke · 20/04/2011 14:41

I call bullshit. "nigel" is written by committee . I have lurked through whole thread but the posts at 11.13 and 12.39 are so wildly inconsistent in style as to take the biscuit. Either he's a schizophrenic with totally alternating approaches to the 3rd person singular, the posessive, punctuation and spelling or IMHO far more likely we have a ..

Troll invasion

Truckstop · 20/04/2011 15:12

Blumpke- I think you need to get out more.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 20/04/2011 15:21

Nigel: Your wife has told you she has 'no interest in sex whatsoever' yet you are insisting on sticking your cock in her. Once a week at least, though she has been telling you for some months that she doesn't want to have sex.
ANd now you whine that she doesn't display 'love' for you? She hates you, and it's not surprising. Women usually grow to hate men who do not consider them to be human beings.
I do hope she leaves you.

Diggs · 20/04/2011 15:32

Nigel ,

Starved of intimacy ? You do like the dramatic aproach i note , something your wife is probably totally sick of . It sounds to me like you have a pretty normal sex life , your constant whining about wanting more is pathetic and will cause your wife to see you as a whinging little boy and she will quickly lose all respect for you.

Get yourself some counselling Nigel , because i think that actually you are bullying your wife by placing unreasonable demands on her . Your a grown man and its simply not normal for an adult man to demand attention all the time and kisses and cuddles . You think your entitled to sex and your wifes objections are excuses. She actually doesnt need an excuse , she can just choose not to , and i can see why she stays away from you .

Have an affair by all means , but i dont think youll ever meet anybody whos going to make it their lifes purpose to focus on you constantly and kiss and cuddle you.

Out of interest what is your relationship like with your mum ?

Nigel10 · 20/04/2011 15:36

Springchicken - lets work through your point. I stop having sex with my wife then what? I don't want to live the rest of my life without sex so I would have to find it somewhere else. The relationship would end - I don't want that.
Do you not understand the importance of sex in a relationship? It's the difference between a marriage and a room mate.
When you enter into marriage you sign up to some terms and conditions - sex being one of them. If a person does not want a lover (and that means having sex by the way) then why get married? Why not just stay single? Or is sex simply a method employed when it suits to attract a mate, father a child and when that's done stop doing it?

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Ormirian · 20/04/2011 15:38

"Or is sex simply a method employed when it suits to attract a mate, father a child and when that's done stop doing it?"

Well biologically speaking, yes, probably.

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 15:39

Nigel when are you going to start talking about what your wife wants instead of what you want?

LOL at lecturing SGB on the importance of sex. Grin

Longtalljosie · 20/04/2011 15:43

But you are having sex with her! Confused

Diggs · 20/04/2011 15:44

It's the difference between a marriage and a room mate.

Ffs Nigel , no its not and the fact you repeatedly say this shows just how entitled you are . Do you really think that sex is all she has to offer ? The fact shes a nice person , good company ect doesnt count if you cant fuck on her regularly .

I wouldve divorced you as soon as i realised you had this shit entitled veiw. I hope she kicks you out.

Dropdeadfred · 20/04/2011 15:45

I think Nigel has a right to feel what he has expressed. If my dh told me that from mow on I could 'sort myself out' and there would no longer be any physical affection between us at all, as it might give me the wrong idea I would be devastated,,then I would be considering divorce..

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 15:46

So Nigel if you became impotent and your wife could no longer avail herself of her marital entitlements, you'd be perfectly in sympathy with any decision she took to to leave you, would she, on the grounds that you'd become a room-mate? (Leaving aside the love you'd shared, the kids you'd had together, the home you'd built - it's all jsut room mates without a fuck more often than once a week)

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 15:47

So much for in sickness and in health...

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 15:47

But dropdeadfred, his wife hasn't told him that. He's still having sex with her! Grin

Dropdeadfred · 20/04/2011 15:50

But Herb...it sounds like she is 'laying down and thinking of England' rather than fully participating in the act. And perhaps once a week with someone who really wants and enjoys it would be better than three times a week with someone who is suffering it. Nigls wife is equally entiled to say she doesnt want sex..but assuming that her husband will put up with that is a bit presumptious

Dropdeadfred · 20/04/2011 15:52

And of course if my dh's health was the reason he couldn't perform it would be completely different to him just blanking me or telling me I had to just out up with it
This is so awkward because of course noone should be made to have sex...but should someone have to stay with someone who has made the decision that they no longer want a physical relationship with their spouse? (or at best a very reluctant one?)

HerBEggs · 20/04/2011 15:54

Yes it sounds exactly like a lying down and htinking of England scenario. And why would a woman lie down and think of England if she can't come up with an "excuse" for having sex, instead of participating enthusiastically in something that is so much fun?

We've asked Nigel if he does his fair share of housework and if she comes every time they hve sex, if he actually attends to her needs as well as his own in bed and he's simply ignored those questions.

People don't turn down fun fun fun, unless they're Blackadder's aunt. I have a suspicion that sex isn't fun fun fun for poor MrsN. He hasn't talked about any of her needs on this thread as far as I can see so that kind of makes me wonder if he attends to any of her needs in bed.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 20/04/2011 15:55

Nigel, if one partner in a couple no longer wants to have sex with the other, it is reasonable for the couple to discuss the situation and agree on a compromise such as the high-libido partner having NSA sex with other people or, indee dthe couple agreeing that the time has come to end the relationship as amicably as possible.
It is NOT REASONABLE for the low libido partner to be repeatedly raped by the high libido partner.
Yup, rape. That's what it is, when you know she doesn't want your cock in her and you stick it in there anyway.
And the fact that you are legally married doesn't give you the right to rape her. It's still rape. ANd she could still have you arrested and imprisoned for it. Even if she is your 'wife' she is a human being, with the same rights to bodily integrity and autonomy that you have.

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