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Newbie - desperate for impartial advice!

237 replies

Kimberjem · 16/04/2011 23:49

Hi, new poster here, have lurked for a while and could really do with some impartial advice. After a really rocky two year relationship we have come to a crunch point whether to really commit or to call it quits.
My partner is separated from his wife but not divorced, he insists that she will never consent to divorce so it is another two years minimum (they were separated 3 months when we got together). He has 3 children with her from 18 - 10. I have never met his children nor do they know I exist and from what I understand aside from when he first moved out there has been no conversation with the children about why their parents have split up nor any clarity about the future.
His wife knows about me but doesn't want my name mentioned around her and also pretends I don't exist. He has made it clear to me for the past two years that she would like to reconcile. We don't live together, he lives in a flat round the corner from the family home.
I am in my early 30's and he is in his early 40's and I have been clear frm the start of the relationship that I would like a long term committed relationship and ideally to have a child, he has said all along that he isn't sure either way so it's not a no or a yes.
By his own admission he was a pretty poor husband a father, he has a job that means he flies long haul every week and is really only around weekends. Since he and his wife split he is really trying to be a good father and is really improving his relationship with his children. I absolutely support him in that and never mind when he has to drop our plans because of something to do with the children.
Basically the current situation has become untenable due to lack of time and trying to keep all the facets of his life entirely separate.
So, finally, he is suggesting we move in together and says he will tell his children about me, get more involved in my life etc and that we should decide whether to make a proper go of things. That will also mean me accepting him going on holidays with his estranged wife and their children etc as he wants to be close friends with her. I find the holiday idea particularly uncomfortable, but guess it's ok if best for the children?
I love him very much, he is so intelligent and funny and I really enjoy his company, I also find him so attractive and our sex life is great. We get on very well, but I do find I get so angry and resentful at the fact our relationship has not moved on up to this point.
So, in summary, and thanks if you have got this far, should I just give up hope now that we will actually get to a proper committed relationship or give living together a go and see what happens?

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Kimberjem · 24/04/2011 16:47

We have just had a brief chat on the phone and I feel so angry and hurt when we speak, I have been doing great and had a lovely weekend but feel really down now. I just feel so resentful that I wasn't important enough to him to really commit to me, he rang and told me he bought me some nice Easter choccies abroad, why!?!. it just hurts a lot, absolutely know breaking up is the right thing to do but wish I could get rid of the anger and resentment and feeling like I wasn't good enough. How do I detatch?

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HerHissyness · 24/04/2011 18:39

He was having his cake and eating it. he is treating you like a mistress, a whore and keeping you on the side.

OW get chocs from 'abroad', expensive gifts etc, remember that you deserve better than this. Tell him to give the bloody chocolates to his wife, she needs all the consolation prizes there are.

Stop answering his calls. Be unavailable. Be cool, aloof and OVER.

Give it time, remember all the reasons you ended this. Look around you at your friends and family and see what kind of life YOU could have now this PAGE HOLDER is no longer holding you back.

Remember, it's not about YOU not being important enough to commit to, it's about HIS fear of commitment, HIS cowardice, HIS weakness. You don't want to be with a man like THAT!

TDada · 24/04/2011 19:07

This guy is hanging around and will mess with your head, subtky, if he can.

BigSooz · 24/04/2011 19:31

Cut all contact with this loser. he is holding you back. Let him find some other mug.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 25/04/2011 11:13

I agree with HerHisyness!!

Why did he ring you? Tell him you do NOT want him calling you - it's over and you have nothing to say to him. You were doing fine until he called, why let him do it.

I hope you have a nice day today :)

Kimberjem · 25/04/2011 12:23

I have asked him not to contact me any further, on the phone he said I was being unreasonable, didn't know why I was so hung up on divorce etc and that he would stay in a different hotel on holiday if it meant that much to me, but that was about it, I just got frustrated, put the phone down and then texted him asking him not to contact me. I don't think I am being unreasonable. Thanks ladies, Chipping- saw how much housework you were doing on another thread and has given me a kick in the bum to spend the day making my house lovely!

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Swedes2 · 25/04/2011 12:28

He's already in a committed relationship with his ex wife. It's rubbish about the consent for divorce thing. Defended divorce cases are almost non-existent.

Kimberjem · 25/04/2011 12:31

He says he just doesn't want to cause animosity, not that it's relevant now and that he never speaks to her or sees her, so he doesn't see that he is still in a committed relationship with her at all, more that he feels a sense of duty towards her. not that it matters now

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Xales · 25/04/2011 12:46

Keep going Kimber. You know you are doing the right thing.

At the end of the day he has made it clear you are not important enough to him to make any changes to his life. Now he is making out it is your fault and you are the unreasonable one.

You are not. You just want more from life than he is ever going to give you. You deserve more than he is ever going to give you.

It must really hurt but better now than in 5 years time when you have wasted even more hoping for the impossible. /hugs

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 25/04/2011 13:48

Kimber - pleased to have provided some motivation :)

I'm just off to do some 'filling' in the bedroom [buwink]

Kimberjem · 25/04/2011 14:48

The truth of the holiday situation is basically he doesn't want the kids on his own, too much hard work, so he will be able to take them to do the fun stuff whilst wife does all cooking etc (he owns a villa, that's where they are staying) I also suspect he is going for the middle week of the stay so he doesn't have to help unpack or repack everything, he is really that selfish. That aside, I am keeping on trucking with the whole moving on thing....it hasn't been good enough for me for a long time. Am considering trying the Internet!

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verlainechasedrimbauds · 25/04/2011 17:55

Don't do what I did Kimberjen! I did the equivalent of accepting the chocolates and convincing myself that he thought I was important after all - you know, nice chocolates, a telephone call, a rather hurt and "misunderstood" manner ... I fell for it several times and I kick myself now - I wasted so much time. Please don't fall for it! It won't get better. Almost everything he is expecting you to tolerate is unreasonable - you do know it really don't you?

It took me a while to disentangle myself from the relationship I was in. It sounds to me as if you are doing a much better job than I did.

It wasn't until I met my DP (through internet dating! Wink) that I realised that I had been right: respect, love, sharing, fun and consideration were not impossible - in fact they were wonderfully normal!

I did have to kiss a few frogs before meeting DP via internet dating... definitely worth the wait though.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 25/04/2011 18:00

'That aside' - blimey, there is no 'that aside' it just goes to show that he is a lazy, selfish bastard to boot!!

I'm glad you are carrying on with the moving on!!

Internet dating could be fun, so could speed dating or 101 other ways to meet a guy - anything but waste another minute on this one! You are only early 30's plenty of time to kiss a few more frogs!

Xales · 25/04/2011 18:04

Wow! That last post speaks volumes he really is so selfish that he wants the fun stuff and nothing else.

Why don't you try not dating for a while and just concentrate on you, your child and being happy?

There is a reason you put up with this man and his baggage for so long sort it out before looking for another!

Kimberjem · 25/04/2011 18:31

Xales - I don't have any children, hence me being a lot naive is indeed the best thing for them, I feel worried about coming to terms with the fact that it may just not happen for me, I have had two miscarriages in the past (previous relationship to this).

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Kimberjem · 28/04/2011 18:43

I just found out this afternoon he has been sleeping with his ex, my biggest fear, the thing he said I was fixated on and crazy about. I feel destroyed right now and strangely have a massive urge to shag him too, must be a primal, territorial thing, he said he only did it because he thought we were over, but he has still been telling me he loves me, how much he wants to sleep with me etc, I just feel sick and destroyed.

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HerHissyness · 28/04/2011 18:57

Sadly, the only person on this entire thread who is surprised to hear that is YOU.

Of course he is still sleeping with her. Everything he has ever told you now is in doubt. He is typically lying through his teeth.

I pity HER more than anything, for not having enough dignity to tell him to piss off.

But you are well out of this now and that is it.

carlywurly · 28/04/2011 21:43

Just see that as the biggest push you needed to cut all ties with him. It's a good thing, honestly. It removes any doubt that he's a tosser.

I really feel sorry for his ex. Her self esteem must be rock bottom to be indulging this crap.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 28/04/2011 22:07

Kimber :( Why were you even talking to him??

He hasn't only been having sex with her since you split up, he's been having sex with her for ages - otherwise you would not have been being treat like his mistress.

Don't you dare have sloppy seconds!!

Sweetheart - if he loved you he would not have been treating you like some grubby little secret. He loved having sex with you, he loved having you want him, he loved having you there when it was convenient - but sorry, he does not love you.

Kimberjem · 29/04/2011 11:00

I slept with him last night, I feel completely emotionally drained and totally pathetic and I hate myself for being so weak. He told me she is always there as an easy lay and maybe life would be easier for him if he just had a co-parenting relationship and sex with her, I am too difficult apparently, she is easy. I want to tell her everything.

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Doha · 29/04/2011 11:17

You stupid stupid fool...
Where is your self respect!!!!
Now he has got you both exactly where he wants you, both at his call to shag when he wants.
Makes me sick...

Kimberjem · 29/04/2011 11:45

Doha- I already said I feel pathetic, I have no idea where my self respect has gone but I want it back

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Doha · 29/04/2011 12:03

Well do as you said. Break off ALL contact with him. Delete phone numbers email etc.
His wife is welcome to him. I feel so sorry for her actually
You, my dear. deserve much better than what you were supposed to settle for with him.
Look on last night as a break-up shag, shake yourself down and congratulate yourself on a lucky escape. He would have probably still shag his wife on holiday etc if you had moved in with him.
There is someone out there for you who will treat you with the love and respect you deserve. Just give it a bit of time.
I honestly wish you well and wish l could give you a bucket of self respect to help you, however you could find a bit of that repsect if you draw a line under things now. Finish the relationship now and allow yourself time to grieve and heal.
He doesn't deserve your love

Dropdeadfred · 29/04/2011 12:08

You must break contact with him if you ever want to have a life

Dropdeadfred · 29/04/2011 12:09

If you ever did marry this guy he would have a mistress before the ink was dry on your marriage certificate