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Newbie - desperate for impartial advice!

237 replies

Kimberjem · 16/04/2011 23:49

Hi, new poster here, have lurked for a while and could really do with some impartial advice. After a really rocky two year relationship we have come to a crunch point whether to really commit or to call it quits.
My partner is separated from his wife but not divorced, he insists that she will never consent to divorce so it is another two years minimum (they were separated 3 months when we got together). He has 3 children with her from 18 - 10. I have never met his children nor do they know I exist and from what I understand aside from when he first moved out there has been no conversation with the children about why their parents have split up nor any clarity about the future.
His wife knows about me but doesn't want my name mentioned around her and also pretends I don't exist. He has made it clear to me for the past two years that she would like to reconcile. We don't live together, he lives in a flat round the corner from the family home.
I am in my early 30's and he is in his early 40's and I have been clear frm the start of the relationship that I would like a long term committed relationship and ideally to have a child, he has said all along that he isn't sure either way so it's not a no or a yes.
By his own admission he was a pretty poor husband a father, he has a job that means he flies long haul every week and is really only around weekends. Since he and his wife split he is really trying to be a good father and is really improving his relationship with his children. I absolutely support him in that and never mind when he has to drop our plans because of something to do with the children.
Basically the current situation has become untenable due to lack of time and trying to keep all the facets of his life entirely separate.
So, finally, he is suggesting we move in together and says he will tell his children about me, get more involved in my life etc and that we should decide whether to make a proper go of things. That will also mean me accepting him going on holidays with his estranged wife and their children etc as he wants to be close friends with her. I find the holiday idea particularly uncomfortable, but guess it's ok if best for the children?
I love him very much, he is so intelligent and funny and I really enjoy his company, I also find him so attractive and our sex life is great. We get on very well, but I do find I get so angry and resentful at the fact our relationship has not moved on up to this point.
So, in summary, and thanks if you have got this far, should I just give up hope now that we will actually get to a proper committed relationship or give living together a go and see what happens?

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 20/04/2011 23:32

Just tell him 'No - this girls head is not for turning'....

But I know that's easier said than done and though the sensible thing would be to tell him 'No' - I know I would have to go to see what he has to say for himself.

I hope you are stronger though and just say 'No, there's no point, it's over'

HerHissyness · 21/04/2011 00:50

expensive jewellery is mistress pay off. He's not even making up to you as a partner. Return everything and anything he tries to buy you off with.

Stay firm. You have to bin him.

TheyKnowEsperanto · 21/04/2011 11:17

Have on,y just read this thread. Please don't bother having dinner with him tonight. He has wasted enough of your time. I think you need to think of the relationship as over for good and start to look to YOUR future. Lean on your lovely friends and enjoy the sunshine and start to focus on you and what you want outside of this relationship. Be strong - you sound very capable and smart but we can all be fooled if someone is manipulative enough and we have feelings for them. Turn this around on him if needs be - explain you are setting him free to be the good father he wishes to be and to try again with his wife if they want to. you deserve so much better.

Kimberjem · 21/04/2011 20:56

I decided not to go out tonight as too tired and couldn't really face the discussion, however, we have just had it on the phone, where he said that no he wouldn't compromise on the holiday, filing for divorce is a fruitless exercise and he can't understand why I would want him to do something pointless when she will never agree, and with a fantastic twist, it's all my fault for giving up on him and he could tell I had last weekend. Classic. I pointed out that was incredibly manipulative, that I have given too much already with no consideration at all for me in return and that it was fabulous that he was now trying to blame me for the end of the relationship.

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Anniegetyourgun · 21/04/2011 21:14

Quite right too. Well done.

HerHissyness · 21/04/2011 21:25

Typical behaviour, treat you in such a way that you have no way of putting up with it, and then blaming you for putting your foot down!

Bet he did the same with the wife! Bet SHE called time, because HE was unbearable. No wonder HE would go back to her. Looks like she wouldn't have him though, or she would have done so already.

HerHissyness · 21/04/2011 21:26

Oh and it's HIS fault for not PRIORITISING YOU!

Kimberjem · 21/04/2011 21:31

She will definitely have him back, he will probably go back, and what he does is really none of my business. I am going to get on with my life and find a relationship that is really good for me (when I am ready), just feel very angry right now, but not going to let it ruin my weekend, well, am really going to try.

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HerHissyness · 21/04/2011 22:28

So you think. You only know what crap he's been telling you. and he's been controlling this whole farcical situation for years.

You will feel anger, you will feel foolish, but better you were the one to cut it out and stop this madness, than continue on and waste your entire life waiting for someone that is not available. It's his loss. When you find the right one, and I predict that will be soon, but in your own time, you will know what a bad deal this guy really was.

Chin up love, you really have done the right thing.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 22/04/2011 01:25

Do you want a laugh?

Do you watch Friends??

We were on a break

I can hear him saying this for the next 40 years Grin

You, my love, are so much better off without him! I'm sure he had his good points or you wouldn't have been with him. But sadly the fact he doesn't have a care in the world for what you are going through, only himself just proves he is not worthy of you!

Drink champagne, eat chocolate and rejoice in the fact that you don't have kids with him so you don't have to see him again Grin Find someone else to be your friend and do the work stuff with too... he's not worth the shit on your shoe x

Kimberjem · 22/04/2011 10:03

Yay, woken up feeling excited and positive, thanks HH and Chipping, going to have a lovely night out with my best friend and it's a gorgeous day. Have spoken to ex briefly this am, as he needs to give keys back and wants to drop them off today and he commented on how chirpy I am - and it's not even put on! Felt like such a miserable cow around him and I really am not!

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 22/04/2011 10:32

'Excited and positive' is a damn good start Grin

I hope you have a lovely day and a great night out with your friend!!

What did you say to him?? 'Yes, I feel free from all your depressing, soul destroying crap!' ??

Did you tell him to just put the keys through the letter box? I would :)

He was clearly getting you very down... I am so pleased you have made th break and feel good about it!! :) x

Keep posting, we'll be here if you hit a dip! (not hit the drip.... but we would be! Grin)

HerHissyness · 22/04/2011 10:39

He can put them through the letterbox can't he?, make sure you double lock the door though.

Honestly, best thing for you would be to NOT be there. ONE it'd send a message that you have more to do than sit around for him and TWO, that you don't need to see him to end it.

IF you do see him, you may cry, wobble or show weakness, now is not the time.

Have a GREAT GOOD FRIDAY!!

xx

Kimberjem · 22/04/2011 11:22

My letterbox isn't secure, and having been burgled a couple of times I am a little paranoid. However, I am absolutely fine, there is no chance of tears as I have done all the crying I am going to do over him, and I will not falter. I absolutely know it's for the best. Thanks for continued support and have a fabulous Easter weekend! X

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Kimberjem · 22/04/2011 13:47

He as been and gone, was all very amicable although I pointed out I have been treated as a mistress/ plaything for the past two years and I am worth more, all very calm and no tears. His view was that wasn't the case nor why we have split up but if that's what he needs to make him feel more comfortable......still feeling fine, positive and done the right thing

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NorksAreMessy · 22/04/2011 15:00

So very very proud of you, even your writing sounds much stronger and more positive.
Congratulations. Now chin up, tits out and have some fun

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 22/04/2011 15:06

WELL DONE!!

You have been treat like the mistress. Exactly like that.

Why does he think you have split up?

Glad you are still feeling good about your decision!

Kimberjem · 22/04/2011 18:13

Not sure what he thinks but he did say he knows it's all him and not me, and he is sad, we both are, but I am clear that I won't accept the unacceptable and am moving on. just getting ready for my girls night out!

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 22/04/2011 19:03

Be strong this time, you don't want to keep ending up here and if you go back to him you will, time & time again...

Have a brilliant night out [bugrin]

Snogging allowed, copping off not!

DontGoCurly · 22/04/2011 22:00

Well done Kimberjem. You have made a great decision. He would have just strung you along for years more. Unbelievable (but predictable) that he tried to twist it all to make you to blame.

You've saved yourself years of frustration.

I'm so pleased for you. You have your whole future before younow. x [bugrin]

Kimberjem · 23/04/2011 14:21

thanks ladies, your support is helping me keep strong, had a brill night out last night, lots of dancing, got lots of attention and chatted up by a very attractive man who I think was a bit put off that I wouldn't kiss him but tough. Nice to feel attractive and carefree though!

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MILMania · 23/04/2011 14:24

I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Told me everything I need to know. You are absolutely right to walk away from this man. All the signs say he isn't serious about you, he doesn't want the same things as you and, in fact, he hasn't made any progress on sorting out his shit from his last relationship. Don't look back.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 23/04/2011 14:28

I'm glad you had a good night out. It's nice to be chatted up!!

What have you got planned for the rest of the weekend?

Kimberjem · 23/04/2011 14:34

Hi chipping! I am going out for my mums birthday tonight and then going over to my friends tomorrow night and housework in-between, so nice relaxing weekend with people I love. Hope you are having a good weekend too.

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caramelwaffle · 23/04/2011 20:29

Have a great evening.

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