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Newbie - desperate for impartial advice!

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Kimberjem · 16/04/2011 23:49

Hi, new poster here, have lurked for a while and could really do with some impartial advice. After a really rocky two year relationship we have come to a crunch point whether to really commit or to call it quits.
My partner is separated from his wife but not divorced, he insists that she will never consent to divorce so it is another two years minimum (they were separated 3 months when we got together). He has 3 children with her from 18 - 10. I have never met his children nor do they know I exist and from what I understand aside from when he first moved out there has been no conversation with the children about why their parents have split up nor any clarity about the future.
His wife knows about me but doesn't want my name mentioned around her and also pretends I don't exist. He has made it clear to me for the past two years that she would like to reconcile. We don't live together, he lives in a flat round the corner from the family home.
I am in my early 30's and he is in his early 40's and I have been clear frm the start of the relationship that I would like a long term committed relationship and ideally to have a child, he has said all along that he isn't sure either way so it's not a no or a yes.
By his own admission he was a pretty poor husband a father, he has a job that means he flies long haul every week and is really only around weekends. Since he and his wife split he is really trying to be a good father and is really improving his relationship with his children. I absolutely support him in that and never mind when he has to drop our plans because of something to do with the children.
Basically the current situation has become untenable due to lack of time and trying to keep all the facets of his life entirely separate.
So, finally, he is suggesting we move in together and says he will tell his children about me, get more involved in my life etc and that we should decide whether to make a proper go of things. That will also mean me accepting him going on holidays with his estranged wife and their children etc as he wants to be close friends with her. I find the holiday idea particularly uncomfortable, but guess it's ok if best for the children?
I love him very much, he is so intelligent and funny and I really enjoy his company, I also find him so attractive and our sex life is great. We get on very well, but I do find I get so angry and resentful at the fact our relationship has not moved on up to this point.
So, in summary, and thanks if you have got this far, should I just give up hope now that we will actually get to a proper committed relationship or give living together a go and see what happens?

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AyeRobot · 17/04/2011 00:33

Kimberjem, with that comment he sounds like an arse. A carrot-dangling arse.

Move on. It's already been a rocky two years, when that is supposed to be the time when you are both showing your good sides.

As my friends in the US say, you are going to the hardware store for bread.

Bit0fFunnyBunny · 17/04/2011 00:34

Having seen your last post, Kim, I have to say RUN. Not like a hamster on a wheel for him, but towards a future for yourself. He sounds monumentally selfish.

Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 00:36

I am really honest and I guess I do tend to expect the best in people, and yes I do feel like he is still married, even though separated, and that he is having the benefits of a wife and a girlfriend.
I am also notoriously gullible!

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Diggs · 17/04/2011 00:37

I hate to say this but 12 weeks after seperating isnt long at all , it can take a long time to get in a good place after a long term relationship ends . Many people leap straight into something , a rebound relationship , it boosts their ego and its fab to have someone to hold your hand through all the upset ect.
Nothing wrong with this if both people know whats on offer , but if they dont , someone usually ends up very hurt.

MilkandWine · 17/04/2011 00:40

Kim with that comment I have lost any sympathy for him. How bloody dare he say that to you? Do you realise how cruel and unkind he is been?

My ex partner used to say precisely the same thing to me. It was always my fault we weren't getting engaged etc because of my unacceptable behaviour. Actually no, the reason niether you nor I had partners who would commit was because we had tied ourselves up with complete dickheads!

Run like the wind, this man is no good for you. He has too much baggage and will never be able to give you what you want. He is taking the piss out of you and your good nature and I am furious on your behalf. I can visualise how he speaks to you and how much it hurts you and men like him don't deserve to be given the time of day.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 17/04/2011 00:40

Kimberjem: you are right - this man is enjoying having a wife and a girlfriend, both of whom are desperate for his 'love'. He is almost certainly tantalising his wife with the possibility that he will come back to her while he is telling you to be more submissive and obedient and indulgent and he might commit to you.
Dump his sorry arse. There are lots of other men out there.

Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 00:52

To be fair I did challenge him on and he did take it back and say the problems did all lie with him. And I do wonder what he says to his ex and question it because it seems really strange that if you tell someone there is no hope of reconciliation and you are serious about the relationship you are in why would you be waiting around?

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Bit0fFunnyBunny · 17/04/2011 00:57

"To be fair"? Do me a favour. You've been more than fair, and, tbh, you are straying dangerously into 'mug' territory. Fuck him off- you are wasting your fertile years with a crappy dress rehearsal. Your actual life is waiting.

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Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 01:11

is having a good relationship not best for the children though, I do have a colleague that holidays withvher ex husband and I know nothing happens between them so I guess I thought it was a good thing to do with the kids, although I have pointed out to him that they must be very confused and limbo is the worst place to be. Anyhow, I absolutely hear what you are all saying and just feel a bit sick.

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Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 01:25

That's what I have thought, but he says not the case. I just feel like an idiot, I have thought I was going mad as none of it has made sense to me but I have tried to justify it in my mind, I guess particularly as I don't have children maybe I don't understand. I really am not that hopeless, have had long term relationships before that were very different. Glad to know I am nt crazy or unreasonable as all of what you are saying has been going round in my mind.

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Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 01:44

Thank you all for your advice, really do appreciate it, first ever post on an Internet forum and has really helped my head. I am going to sleep on it now, night all!

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Bit0fFunnyBunny · 17/04/2011 01:53

Night night.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 17/04/2011 01:56

Best of luck. You are worth more than what this bellend has to offer.

maundymoney · 17/04/2011 02:05

Dump him, Kimber! He's using you

Anniegetyourgun · 17/04/2011 08:43

Or stay, but recognise that settling down and having your own children with him is never going to happen. I guess it all depends what you think you'll regret more in the long term.

ScaredOfCows · 17/04/2011 08:49

I'm not sure that life long term, with him and children, would be how you would like it to be. How would you feel with a 2 year old if he disappeared off for 2 weeks with his ex and children, leaving you at home? Would you always be the one cancelling YOUR family stuff so that he could go to his other family for THEIR stuff?

Dozer · 17/04/2011 08:57

What an awful thing to say to you.

Re the good sex, of course it's good, that was probably what he was looking for so soon after separating. You are in the "other woman" role.

The fact that he admits to having been a bad husband/father is a massive red flag. He prob wouldn't be any better with you - and if he was, how would his poor kids feel?

Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 09:03

Morning! Long term I know I would regret not having children more than anything and I would resent him even more. I suppose I thought that if he did start involving me with his children then we could sound time and do things with them too and so he wouldn't need to always be going off to do stuff. He also said if we move in together I will have to make myself scarce on sat nights when his youngest stays over, at lease for the first few ,months, because he doesn't want to upset him and he really enjoys that time alone with him. So I guess his proposal may be a huge move on for him but by most societal convention it's not moving on very much at all. Am rambling now...

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Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 09:04

I meant spend time - predictive text!

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NorksAreMessy · 17/04/2011 09:11

i am sorry Kimber, but this man is not treating you as you deserve to be treated. Telling you things are all your fault, refusing to talk about you to his DCs, all the foot dragging. I am afraid to say, he does not look on you as the love of his life, the most important person, his soul mate, his other half. You should only marry someone you cannot imagine being NOT married to...and he is not in that position.
Kimber, I want to say this gently, but it looks from the outside as though this is a case of you 'making do' with a man because the old clock is ticking and he makes you feel a bit fluttery. How do you know that the right person for you isn't waiting for you to be finished with this selfish twit?
Also, Remember the adage, 'when a man marries his mistress, he creates a vacancy'
Be kind to yourself, first of all Kimber, you deserve better.

Kimberjem · 17/04/2011 09:27

Thanks Norks, when I tell him that he isn't treating me as I deserve, he gets very aggitated by the word deserve and I am not sure why. He does acknowledge that I have been very supportive to him and kind, and he wants me to be happy, and whilst not his mistress I very much feel like one, and it's rubbish. Definitely not making do because of the biological clock as I have had a number of relationships before him where marriage, kids were an option to me but I did not feel about previous partners the way I feel about him. i also do not want children in the immediate term but definitely in the next 2-3 years, hence needing to make a decision now and then potentially giving myself time to meet someone else.

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