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Newbie - desperate for impartial advice!

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Kimberjem · 16/04/2011 23:49

Hi, new poster here, have lurked for a while and could really do with some impartial advice. After a really rocky two year relationship we have come to a crunch point whether to really commit or to call it quits.
My partner is separated from his wife but not divorced, he insists that she will never consent to divorce so it is another two years minimum (they were separated 3 months when we got together). He has 3 children with her from 18 - 10. I have never met his children nor do they know I exist and from what I understand aside from when he first moved out there has been no conversation with the children about why their parents have split up nor any clarity about the future.
His wife knows about me but doesn't want my name mentioned around her and also pretends I don't exist. He has made it clear to me for the past two years that she would like to reconcile. We don't live together, he lives in a flat round the corner from the family home.
I am in my early 30's and he is in his early 40's and I have been clear frm the start of the relationship that I would like a long term committed relationship and ideally to have a child, he has said all along that he isn't sure either way so it's not a no or a yes.
By his own admission he was a pretty poor husband a father, he has a job that means he flies long haul every week and is really only around weekends. Since he and his wife split he is really trying to be a good father and is really improving his relationship with his children. I absolutely support him in that and never mind when he has to drop our plans because of something to do with the children.
Basically the current situation has become untenable due to lack of time and trying to keep all the facets of his life entirely separate.
So, finally, he is suggesting we move in together and says he will tell his children about me, get more involved in my life etc and that we should decide whether to make a proper go of things. That will also mean me accepting him going on holidays with his estranged wife and their children etc as he wants to be close friends with her. I find the holiday idea particularly uncomfortable, but guess it's ok if best for the children?
I love him very much, he is so intelligent and funny and I really enjoy his company, I also find him so attractive and our sex life is great. We get on very well, but I do find I get so angry and resentful at the fact our relationship has not moved on up to this point.
So, in summary, and thanks if you have got this far, should I just give up hope now that we will actually get to a proper committed relationship or give living together a go and see what happens?

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SpringchickenGoldBrass · 19/04/2011 00:29

Kimber: Don't want to pry but if it was a case of him having a substance abuse probolem (drugs/alcohol or indeed gambling) then cut your losses now. As addicts are incredibly selfish people, even addicts in recovery are still obsessed with themselves and their own feelings.

Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 00:36

Also, just saw the comments re divorce, I have checked it out and thought he could only do it if it was a 'fault' divorce which he wouldn't do and certainly not when trying to keep things amicable so it's 5 years if they are not in agreement, he is hoping (apparently) that she will change her mind. Also, just to say he already has the maintenance side sorted with the legal separation agreement so nothing to do with that, and he is incredibly generous, and there are no financial worries at all. I have a really great career of my own and am fine financially (fingers crossed, in the current economic climate) but if we did have a child together I would have no concerns about his financial input, basically it's everything else that is the problem.

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Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 00:37

SCGB - I will PM you if that's ok? and I cam work out how to do it?

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ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 19/04/2011 00:46

Kimber - I am sure that as you are new to MN the advice must feel very abrupt and kind of thrown at you. It's all good advice though, given by regular posters who have been through and seen a lot :( I hope you can take it on board - you do seem to be doing that. He is treating you like crap and I agree with the others saying RUN (and yes - away not on the wheel!). He's treating you like the 'other woman' not someone he's in a proper relationship with. Two years and you haven't met his kids. Make yourself scarce in your own home so his 10 year old isn't uncomfortable. Holidays with his ex wife.... He wont give you what you need. Go now before his kids get involved as well....

Sorry it hasn't worked out for you :( There are nicer fish in the sea x

Bit0fFunnyBunny · 19/04/2011 00:52

Do keep in touch- I really hope you work this out.

Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 00:54

Thank you, I know when down in black and white it looks pretty stark, I do hope that we can retain some sort of friendship in the future as we do get on very well ( when avoiding all contentious issues) and we are good at helping each other out particularly with work issues. Whilst I am a little gullible I am pretty trusting and don't want to lose that, I have learnt a lot from this relationship and had some really great times so no regrets.
whilst this is the first time I have been brave enough to post, I have been reading for a while so know what to expect and am very impressed that all posters seem to have such great insight and nothing has been said really that wasn't already on my mind! let's face it, people have far more to deal with than this!

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Diggs · 19/04/2011 01:27

Kim you can have a no fault divorce based on a two year seperation if both partys agree .

Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 01:36

But she won't agree on religious grounds apparently, anyhow, tbh divorce is irrelevant if we don't continue the relationship, will be for his next girlfriend to worry about!

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positivesteps · 19/04/2011 02:57

Hi kim,

Just read your post and it just seems that you are accommodating all his needs and wants but not focusing on yours at all. maybe you could set some boundaries and think about what you want and tell him those things. If he will not consider you then you really need to move on otherwise you will be very unhappy. Live the life you dream of. Lifes short - don't keep yourself tangled up in this mess.

SpringchickenGoldBrass · 19/04/2011 11:06

Kim, you are welcome to PM me (just click on 'message poster) at the top right of this message).

suburbophobe · 19/04/2011 12:14

Hi,

I agree with what has been said so far, as for him to expect you to leave your own home on a Saturday night (and go where, exactly?) is outrageous!
And shows how far down the priority list you are for him!

Just one thing, being a mum to one myself I don't know of any 18-year-olds who still wants to go on holiday with parents!

Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 17:01

Just to clarify, its the youngest two kids going on holiday, not the eldest. He says its because his youngest particularly wants him there, its really hard to argue against the wishes of a child and I feel wrong doing it.

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Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 18:16

ok, I need some quick advice, I would like to show him this thread, I desperately want him to realise how unacceptable. His behaviour has been towards me and at least I would like an apology. I hate feeling so angry and hurt and bitter, is this a terrible idea?

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Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 18:21

I know, I am battling with just sending him the link, because he really does care what other people think and always thinks I am just behaving unreasonably with my own terrible agenda of actually trying to stand up for myself. And based on everything, I of course do need to end the relationship with him.

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Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 18:27

I do feel a bit sorry for his ex, he has always maintained he would never go back but recently has said he might if I end our relationship, hilarious I know, but I do wonder why on earth she would want him back. financially she is in a great position with the settlement and maintenance she has and nothing in her life has had to change so why would she want him? anyway, guess not for me to worry about but v intrigued.

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Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 18:29

Don't want to be back here year on year out, well hopefully only with good news!

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FlamingJamie · 19/04/2011 18:34

I have only read the first page but it's really staring you in the face.

Listen to shiney

Kimberjem · 19/04/2011 18:37

I am trying to think of constructive advice to give to someone else! I have managed to have healthy relationships before so must be able to think of something!

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FlamingJamie · 19/04/2011 18:41

Take your mind off things - go to Baby Names or Style and Beauty.

verlainechasedrimbauds · 19/04/2011 18:43

Loads of good advice on here, though I expect it will be hard to read because you would probably love it to say something else! I have been where you are in a way and wasted 8 years waiting for someone to commit and accepting the "don't push me" angle. I kept wondering whether I could change myself into something or someone that he would feel was less threatening or more accommodating or more flexible... or something! I thought this might make me more appealing and that he would therefore love me. What a mug I was! It was so, so hard to finally break away but I am now with a wonderful partner who wants me to feel secure and loved and respected and has no trouble at all making me feel that I am the one he wants to be with.

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