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Dumpling no more? Only the strong survive and we did no. 4

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IfYoureHappyAndYouKnowIt · 09/04/2011 09:17

At first I was afraid, I was petrified
Kept thinkin' I could never live without him by my side;
But then I spent so many nights
Thinkin' how you did me wrong
And I grew strong

This thread is for ex dumplings. Any dumpling that feels like she has "mostly" moved past crisis into an "almost" sorted state can post and chat here as we continue our quest for serenity with a lot of laughs along the way and support Grin

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Teaandcakeplease · 20/04/2011 18:59

I haven't had a chance yet to catch up on here since returning Blush Sorry.

Ex H threw me a curve ball today, and try as I might to unpack it on my own. I cannot seem to. Nor can I see if I am being unreasonable. I'll give the background for those new to the thread.

Ex H?s girlfriend is 22 years old and is in her final year at Manchester University. Their relationship has been very volatile and they broke up in June last year for a short while and they?ve been on a break again for the last month or so. Her main grievance appears to be how often Ex H see?s the children at mine. However his accommodation is a room only in a house share. The house concerned doesn?t even have a lounge, as that?s been converted into a further bedroom. His room is very small and he doesn?t have the room to have the children over night. So he always comes here, as he has very little money and cannot afford to take them to soft plays etc. He also still gets highly stressed managing the 2 of them on his own and always if he takes them off to the park arrives back cross with one or both of them and with them crying. He never did cope well with the children even when we were together. I always had to take one with me if popping out, even back then. OW doesn?t have any siblings and has only worked with older children, as far as I'm aware. So she has no experience of toddlers, let alone two 17 months apart. The children also have no idea about OW, as I never told them, as they were only 2 and a quarter and 11 months when we separated. Even now DD is 3 and a half I haven?t felt it necessary to tell her as Ex H and OW do not live together and I?ve never been convinced the relationship would last, so I didn?t see the point in having that conversation with DD. Both the children are happy with the contact arrangements and are both at peace and settled. They understand we do not live together but when he is here we get on well and never argue ever. I do not fancy, nor want him back. I'm happy being single and alone.

There had been talk of Ex H and OW moving in together when she graduated but with the state of their relationship they?d agreed not to move in together when she graduated and to just move closer to each other and see how it went after she began work. She also dislikes Ex H receiving texts from me about the children. She believed on separation I?d hate Ex H and he?d only get to see the kids every other weekend. She has been pushing for him to see them less, as I understand it. When she came down to stay with him this week, it was on the proviso that they?d see if the relationship could be salvaged at all. Ex H told me not to text him or call him at all whilst she was down. As that is a trigger for her.

Now I?ve received a phone call today from Ex H, asking me if he could take the kids to Butterfly World tomorrow with OW but just introduce her as a friend. I said no. I think it is a bad idea with how stressed he can get managing them. With me not being there and a complete stranger with them as well. Well she's met them a few times a very long time ago. They won't remember her, it was before we separated.

The kids may also pick up on strange vibes or see their affection for each other and be confused as well. I just think it?s one bad idea. If their relationship settled down for good and they moved in together in appropriate accommodation to have the children over night, we?d have to slowly help the children settle into the change and mummy not being around when they stay there and the children would have to start to get to know OW. Hard as it is I?d have to do it. But this whole concept of tomorrow doesn?t sit right with me. Perhaps Ex H wants to show her how tricky the children can be and help her to get a feel for life with 2 toddlers. I have no idea but I?m feeling unhappy about it all. Am I wrong? What would you do?

Sorry for the selfish post Blush I know I'm missing what's going on on here right now.

googoomama · 20/04/2011 19:03

Hi everyone. Well, no bad tummy today - hurray! Just feeling slightly spaced out now due to having to drive 40 miles at 8am to get oldest one to football tournament in Newcastle. Weather glorious. Bless em - the 7 and under team that my son is in ROCKS. They are a new little team, rural, no flash trainers etc and they're going to be playing in the Newcastle league next season so the manager decided they would enter this footie tournament today to see how hard all the opposition is. We thought they were going to get slaughtered because there's only enough boys to make up a 7 a side, whereas all the other teams are run like little prem clubs, with loads of kids to pick from, a and b teams, reserves, flash kits etc. And one of the other teams is famous in the north east - all the best littleuns go there and the Newcastle scouts go there to pick off talent. So, bad start (hope you're keeping up girls, this is my version of MOTD), first Newcastle team to play, our little kids literally shuffled on in a little line, shitting themselves. Lost that one, then they all must have thought sod it and played their little socks off for 2 and a half hours (bless, they're only 7!) My son scored 2 goals against the famous team, to win an unbelievable victory - the country boys beat the flash townies!!!!! I was past myself, we all were, even my mother, with her John Lewis outfit on, jumping up and down on the side and shouting "GO ON SON!!!!!" So far from being crap, our little team reached the SEMI FINALS. Ended up fourth out of nine, cos by the last game, my oldest's shin pads were killling, another one was despereate for a wee and one poor soul was nearly knocked out by the ball lol not very premiership haha! My oldest also scored a penalty. Fab. Don't think the manager could quite believe it. Just goes to show, as with so much in life, if you've got a fighting spirit you can PREVAIL against all flash twuntery :)
My little one, by contrast, totally non plussed at whole event. He wanted to see my mum's new ring and then declared he's no desire to ever play footie, he wants to be a chef. Or own a ring shop. Equally good on him for non conformist attitude in the face of geordie religion that is football!
Sorry so many people are having a crap time with exes. Patience - glad you're just texting. I'm a nice guy. Yeeeeesssss. Er, and there's a pig flying over there. Seriously, you are doing so well detaching, remaining in control as the only adult seemingly in this situation, none of which is of your own making. I continue to admire you x
Sov - what an unbelievable twat. Yes, it's cos he's ashamed but even so. Despicable.
Love to Starting too.
Sorry about the match report. I was just so proud of em all. And last year I would have been too busy thinking about exbf to get over excited. I'm happy enjoying life in the moment.
Going to PE teacher's wedding do next Friday night. Bought a sexy black dress and going to do "beach hair". Now need high heels. I will be posting pics :) It may look rather strange but I'm going for full on glam!
Oh and still meeting drummer man next week for coffee. Eeeek! Not going for full on glam for that. Just understated kick ass sexiness I thought. Any ideas welcome!

googoomama · 20/04/2011 19:04

Tea. x posted. Just going to read through yours then reply my love

googoomama · 20/04/2011 19:14

Thanks for all that back info Tea - I never knew the full story, although I remember a while back being completely aghast that she was asking your exh to see his kids less and as I rmember saying that all of her friends who had divorced parents didn't see their dads and that was the way it should be. I'm still getting irritated thinking of that now.
I think that you are completely right in saying that she should not meet them tomorrow. It's what I woudl have said too. There relationship is volatile, she doesn't want to form a relationship with the children, in fact if anything she wants the children to just disappear. This is bourne out by the fact that your exh said that you couldn't ring or text about the kids when she was there. What if something major had happened? So when he is with her, the kids are to magically disappear, or there's trouble. Also, I think that she's probably very jealous of you and insecure about her relationship with your exh - she doesn't like that you and him will always have a connection throught the children and also she doesn't understand this either, which is very immature. She is going to have to accept certain realities (i.e. you will always be there as the kids' mum, he is going to want to see his children, they are always going to be there) if she is going to continue a relationship with your exh. And it sounds as if she has a long long way to go before this is anywhere near sorted in her head. FWIW, I don't think it will ever be sorted in her head and I can't see the relationship lasting but even so, this is not an atmosphere into which to be introducing children. On top of that, the children will be confused and unsettled and not understand, as the relationship is not stable enough yet to be introduced to them as a permanent thing. Hope this helps :)

soverign21 · 20/04/2011 19:29

I agree with Goo, when their relationship is so unstable atm there really doesnt seem any point in introducing them

Yay for your little one Goo :)

Teaandcakeplease · 20/04/2011 19:38

Thanks ladies. I do not want the children dragged into this sorry mess of theirs either. I'm cross with Ex H for even suggesting it Sad

googoomama · 20/04/2011 19:42

I think he's probably trying to get her to like and accept the children by doing this. However, offering up two little souls to a woman who clearly has no understanding or acceptance of them isn't right. She has to accept the children BEFORE she meets them. And she hasn't.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 20/04/2011 19:53

Tea ,if their relationship was stable then fair enough but its not is it ?
Why a visit together now ?
In the end nothing u can do about it,but why is it in the kids interests now if things so unstable.
Wouldn't surprise me if X does this on Sunday and DOESN'T tell me .
NOTHING would surprise me now.
Love ur MOTD googs x

Teaandcakeplease · 20/04/2011 19:54

I think it's me she dislikes. Not the kids. But whatever is truly in her head I'll never know. She probably thinks all sorts of things she doesn't admit to Ex H. And I think he is so desperate to save the relationship he's trying too hard and suggesting inappropriate ideas Sad

Teaandcakeplease · 20/04/2011 20:01

I have had to come to terms with my Ex H leaving me and lying to me and a woman who was supposedly a Christian and friend betray me by taking my H from me and the kids father. I've tried to be fair and patient but this scenario really grates on me.

Thank God for mumsnet, feels good to type it all out and know I'm not crazy.

KateonMN · 20/04/2011 20:16

Tea - I would say your instincts are spot on and you know what is best for your dc.

nm turned up as a surprise this morning to take me to work - (we only see eachother once a week when he comes here when the girls are with their dad..so I usually have a few hours house cleaning and making myself beautiful to keep up the Goddess illusion!)

I was just getting ready for work....in my smelly PJs and bed socks, house was an absolute tip (eldest is back from uni - she just drops her stuff when she walks through the door)

Luckily...and this is my point! I had just treated myself to a Babyliss Big Hair dryer - which, my dear ladies is better than sex. My limp locks have been transformed into big, glossy locks...three people asked if I'd just been to the hairdressers!

So I distracted his eyes from my slovenly way with my wonderful barnet.
I have to say, it was a bit Crystal from Dynasty but fab fab fab.

I have never spent any money on a hair dryer...I am a Tesco 'own make' girl all the way... but I got a rather lovely tax refund so decided to treat myself. I can highly recommend it to get that glamourpuss look!

Patienceobtainsallthings · 20/04/2011 20:21

Xp with everyone x

Mymymble · 20/04/2011 20:36

The football sounds wonderful. Beautiful weather too.
I can see why XH wants the DCs to meet OW like this, Tea, easy start etc. but you are right, she doesn't sound stable enough for this, let alone their relationship being stable, especially since XH gets stressed with just the kids on his own.

Teaandcakeplease · 20/04/2011 22:09

So he rang me and I've spent 30 mins on the phone to him trying to tell him how this wasn't the right way to do it and him wanting me there and then to tell him how we will introduce the two of them then and how they have actually always had a strong relationship and that the kids will need to meet her etc. Is he re-writing history here or am I imagining something? And that I actually I cannot do this. Crazy.

I need to go to bed Sad

startingovernow · 20/04/2011 23:12

Tea, sorry you're having to deal with this atm. Hopefully things will look brighter tomorrow ((Hugs))

Goo, your two ds's sound like little stars. Reading about them brought a smile to me face, they sound lovely Smile

Sov, hope you're feeling better about what happened with xh.

Kate, am very envious of your mastery of the Big Hair Envy. Mine is still sitting beside my bedside table gathering dust Hmm. Am of course also v envious of you having a morning caller Envy. God be with the days..........Grin

Good to see you're preparing yourself mentally for all eventualities Smile

Well was slightly nervous of what twatery might meet me today when xh was taking dc's. At drop off he ignored me completely, had to ask twice what time he'd be back & second time he had to answer as dd was looking questioningly at him. When I was in car on way to collect them dd rang to say they were running 15 mins late. Ok, turned around & went back home. Was just pulling up to garage for second time when dd rang to say they'd be another 15 mins Hmm. Ok, got a coffee & car wash & blasted Black Eyed Peas Smile. Thought he might be pulling the pss but decided to adopt my normal serenity in the face of twattery Smile. When dc's were getting into car he apologised for being late Shock. Bigger shock again, I knew he was giving the dc's their Easter eggs today & as I was admiring them I noticed one extra, dd informed me xh had bought it for me* Shock Confused

startingovernow · 20/04/2011 23:22

Oh & the best news of all, my father is recently retired (only 59). I recently dropped a few subtle hints about the amount of work I had to tackle to get garden back into shape & how the power washing was a killer Grin etc. Anyway he landed on Mon & has been working on garden since Smile. Now he's not much of a gardener so I've had to have serious words when I saw him attacking some of my trees Hmm. Fell on deaf ears though as he went off & hired a chainsaw & I am now minus several trees Hmm saying that garden is seriously improved Smile. Oh the joy of not having to tackle this myself, I even went off and purchased some outdoor paint for garden furniture & shed & told him as he seemed to be enjoying himself so much he may as well keep going & do the lot Smile. It's bliss Smile

KateonMN · 20/04/2011 23:41

Starting - my dad is retired and I have a list of jobs I am going to ask him to help me with. He loves it, but will treat it like work...lol, at my old house, he was putting some fencing up for me....and he brought his butties with him and sat in his car at lunch time to eat them!!!! I had to go out and drag him in and make him a toastie! So funny :)

startingovernow · 20/04/2011 23:54

Ah Kate that's so sweet Smile. My father has been doing a lot of the babysitting for me when I go to college too so it's a great help & dc's have become very close to him Smile

soverign21 · 21/04/2011 19:53

Hey everyone, hope you all had a nice, hot sunny day today
Am shattered have been shopping with DC and DM as i had an extra £200 go in my bank from tax credits that they owed me :)
So chuffed, took a trip to primark and now the DC are kitted out for summer was wondering where i was going to get the money from to do it

Still pissed about X especially seeing as he did it again today, was stood waiting for the bus and he drove towards us, looked at me, looked at DC and carried on driving AND he was on his own this time, tosser!!

Am going to sleep veg in front of the tv tonight so will check in again tomorrow

Take care girls x

Mumfun · 21/04/2011 20:47

Take care all. Have happy weekends as poss.

Sov - your X is the lowest of the low - you are well rid.

googoomama · 21/04/2011 21:24

Hi everyone. Beautiful day here - been indulging in main hobby of gardening and it's starting to look great. Now got sea fret and it looks like a November night!
Meant to say Mymymble - hi! I don't know your story and I'm still trying to catch up from when I was out of action but just wanted to say glad you're posting and staying strong in the face of crap :)
Sov - your ex is unbelievable (again). Glad you got kids kitted out x
Kate - my retired dad also loves doing jobs! He's coming tomorrow to dismantle an old wendy house.
Hi mumfun - have a good one too pet x
Well, bought myself a hairdryer and some curling tongs today. Hair straightened with dryer, then curled with wand thingy acutally looked really good. Except I burnt myself with the bloody thing and now I've got what looks like the mark of the anit-Christ on my forehead. Let's hope it fades (and doesn't go crusty!) before next week's coffee date and the wedding!
Anyway, hair looked really good, then I went out gardening (probably not what vicotira Beckham does just after styling, I grant you) so it all turned into a bit of a frizzy mess but STILL, while it lasted I looked quite sexy! I need some sort of stuff to put on once I've curled it, to stop it going frizzy. Serum doesn't work and if I put mousse on it just goes mega curly again so any ideas more than welcome thanks!

Mymymble · 21/04/2011 22:42

Thanks, Goo, am up and down but so much helped by being on here with you all - had just graduated from recently ditched thread when I got back with NM last week. But H the most prob tho, in middle of divorce battle (we split b4 NM).
Sorry about your x, Sov. Is awful.
Had sunny day, cleaned out and started to fill pool euch but blow up ring round top had huge slit in it (prob DS2 being helpful at some point - he mowed lawn today tho very tussocky). Anyway, the new patching kit I'd bought to be prepared for any unexpected heat wave was scattered all over garden so got locktite and a thick plastic bag for the patch but glued my teeth together taking top of gluepot off while holding the rip together. After some pain got my teeth apart and the glue off my tongue but still coating both bottom teeth and hands. Was like Adrian Mole sticking the toy airoplane on his nose. Blow up ring at top of pool also still leaking air badly so daren't fill it. Also was frog in the empty pool so worried if I fill it I will kill him with the chlorine. H hated pool & never helped so determined to do it. Hope everyone else had a more efficient day or at least happy....

Mymymble · 22/04/2011 00:05

Tea - just came down for a cuppa. No novel on the go, that's the problem. What happened with butterfly world today?

Teaandcakeplease · 22/04/2011 10:23

After the phone call the other night, I continued to say no and he didn't see them yesterday.

I'm feeling very low today. Until now we have always been in agreement on not introducing her until their relationship was stable and long term. Instead of long distance. He insisted their relationship WAS very strong and always had been the other night on the phone. Which I found very contradictory as he has always confided in me how things are and asked my advice. So to me, it sounded almost like he was rewriting history. I think he is so desperate to save their relationship that he is agreeing to whatever is necessary to do so now. I have always counted myself lucky that despite his betrayal and the subsequent divorce we?ve had an amicable co-parenting relationship. The tone of his texts since my refusal has changed, he?s now cancelled coming today and says he?ll pop by briefly on Sunday to give them the Easter eggs, which by then will mean they haven?t seen or spoken to him for 7 days as well. It?s all very odd behavior from the man who always ensured the children would see him often. I suspect he?s done a complete U turn and they will move in together when she graduates now. I also think they will rent somewhere with a spare bedroom and want the children over night every other weekend. I knew this would eventually happen but not like this.

A lot of marriages break down when the children are older (slight generalisation I admit), the husband has enough money to rent somewhere immediately and have the children over night and as the children are bigger it?s all handled very differently. My two are both so young and I feel so protective of them. Especially as none of ExH's behaviour inspires me to trust him with them for a whole weekend but I?ll have no choice. It?s funny when you have children you always believe that only you and your husband will bring them up and no one else. Now I?ll have to hand them over to him and OW, who is the last person on Earth I?d want to have an intimate relationship with my children or have an impact in their life. She has a lot of issues from her childhood and upbringing and of course she has a very different moral compass to me, as I?d never dream of committing adultery for starters Sad

I think the next few months are going to be very hard as I think the dynamics have changed with our co-parenting since she came down this week. Everything has happened in slow motion for us with her not graduating until now. But I suppose it did have to happen. All part of detaching hey ladies?

Well the weather today looks lovely, so paddling pool out and the kids and I will enjoy it. I bought a 15 metre hose so I can fill the pool up from my 3rd floor flat! LOL Grin Does look rather funny having a hose dangling out of my window, but needs must!

KateonMN · 22/04/2011 10:53

OH Tea - completly sympathise with you - It's a year ago since he gave OW a job - I would never have imagined that 12 months on, they would be taking my girls out as a familyand they would be sleeping at her house once a week.

From us being a family unit, he now sees them once a week and one day every other weekend..can go days without even speaking to them and is completly dis interested.

He's not spent any time on his own with the girls since the split - only seen them when he's with OW.

After the horredous rows about him seeing them at Easter - I actually do feel the complete detachment now. I'm not going to force him to see them now. If he doesn't want to - I'll deal with it. And I just hope that when they are with him and his gf they treat the girls well and love them..albeon a part time basis.