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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair, left us)

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Dee34 · 03/03/2011 12:17

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers :(

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... :( . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 31/05/2011 14:33

Dee I wouldn't be making his life easier for him,I would get all his stuff out the house and redirect his mail.
All negative energies having this in ur home ,break free and embrace ur new found indtependence ,and let him clog up his new flat with junk.....not ur problem.

Dee34 · 31/05/2011 15:12

oohlaalaa - lets just say that certain plans are underway!! I want to secure certain things for my DS and I first in terms of moving/getting a new job. I dont want to end up in a bad financial position so playing out my current options and have a few things in the air (including the freelance stuff - got some lovely feedback from a client at Director level which was so nice....blimmin knackering though! I am determined that ex wont crash and burn my dreams). I certainly dont feel strong though, so thanks for saying this! I am most definitely mightly fed-up of the idiot though (makes me cringe to think that he was off having fun with a bunch of girls in their late twenties/30 with no commitments (OW is one of those types that have a gazillion friends on FB and ditto on LinkedIn - most of whom were young girls who worked in equally glam industries/jobs.....so flippin pathetic). He is just so superficial (the words he used to me to describe their relationship when he finally confessed to seeing someone on NYE - but he so wanted to see where this relationship would go)....makes me so angry, so best not to think of it, though reminding myself that he is the one that has lost out (or will do ultimately - he is too busy living on planet 'him+OW forever') is a good thing!

Patience - yeah, he is probably having too easy a ride at the moment and a lot of RL friends have (mildly) chastised me for letting him get away with a lot. I am steeling myself for tomorrow and the whole 'I haven't seen DS for 11 nights, can I see him Weds, Thurs, Fri, Sat, Sun etc etc'...I will politely remind him that it was his choice to stay away, so he can deal with his feelings of missing DS. Fair enough, I haven't met anyone yet (come on fellas!), but I cant imagine choosing to go away and stay away from DS for 11 nights. He had work for the first few nights, but, I imagine that he either stayed at her place or she went to his hotel.....I suspect the former as when I said no, I would not be setting up skype so he could chat to DS from his gf appartment whilst he was on holiday with the woman he colluded with to do this to me and DS, he dropped the subject quite quickly. Cant believe he had the ruddy cheek to ask in the first place!

Read a Dr Suess book the other day 'Oh the places you will go!'....absolutely heart-lifting. I got a copy ages ago, when I read an interview with Sandra Bullock (who would have thought we would have something in common!) who said that it was one of her fav books. I would definately recommend it, and cant wait to share it with my DS as it is just such a frank though positive read - very inspiring! First couple of pages are below (not sure if I can paste here?!):

Oh! The Places You?ll Go!
by the incomparable Dr. Seuss

Congratulations!
Today is your day.
You?re off to Great Places!
You?re off and away!

You have brains in your head.
You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself any direction you choose.
You?re on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the guy who?ll decide where to go.

You?ll look up and down streets. Look?em over with care. About some you will say, ?I don?t choose to go there.? With your head full of brains and your shoes full of feet, you?re too smart to go down a not-so-good street.

And you may not find any you?ll want to go down. In that case, of course, you?ll head straight out of town. It?s opener there in the wide open air.

Out there things can happen and frequently do to people as brainy and footsy as you.

And when things start to happen, don?t worry. Don?t stew. Just go right along. You?ll start happening too.

Oh! The Places You?ll Go!

And so on......

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Dee34 · 31/05/2011 15:29

Hi Planet.....yes, cant believe it has been 5 months....had a lull last week (hence venting this morning), but am feeling in a more positive frame of mind....I am trying to (slowly) switch my thinking from 'what I have lost' - which is 'only' continued daily access to my DS and the time we spent together when I was at home. This I will struggle with no doubt, though am hopeful of the notices that it gets easier with time. Other than that, I still have lovely, supportive friends, a good job now, my freedom to live a life that I want for my DS and I......It's also easier for me to think that I have not lost a great deal in terms of parting with the ex. His treatment of me has, unfortunately for the present, wiped out any positive thoughts I ever had about him. I cannot even bear to look at a picture of him (I have kept a few pics of us for DS' memory box, else they really would have ended up in the bin). I know I am kidding myself and will have a whole host of trust issues/new relationship issues to work through, but think this is good enough for me know. I am even trying to let go of the petty material things, like how he would always tell me he has x number of airmiles saved and how we could use them to go to x or y club/first class very soon (as I said, very petty!). Those things just dont count anymore.

I guess I want to think more about what I do have now?! So feeling positive at the moment (and such a crappy day!), but not sure how long it will last...... But yes, a very, very lucky escape....

Thank you

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Dee34 · 31/05/2011 15:30

And I obviously cannot spell Seuss! And like the word 'though' a lot this afternoon....am off to get a coffee...Blush

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 31/05/2011 16:30

x taken kids out for t ,so im going to have a coffee too,I guess what I'm trying to say is ur life will feel cleansed of him when u r ready to rid urself of his stuff ,I had to move house after a year and that was so liberating ,just threw out my old life and started again x
Love the book x

springydaffs · 31/05/2011 18:52

oh what a great book! thanks for that - I'll definitely get a copy (never heard of it before).

Well done for all the planning, for the surviving and succeeding, for the working your way through all the pain and anger and heartache and bitterness and triumph! In all honesty Dee, is there anything you won't be able to achieve when you're through with this??

< stand clear! the woman's a STAR>

(yes yes I know you don't feel it - I didn't either when I was going through it - but you are, you really are wonderful)

Dee34 · 01/06/2011 16:24

He is back??..was hoping that he would stay over there, but no, he is back?.

He left a voice mail this morning on his way back?.very breezy, chirpy..he mistakenly said ?Looking forward to seeing you? and then added ?Looking forward to seeing you too DS?. I am not looking forward to seeing him.

He has called my bluff on the access ? instead of huffing and puffing to see DS, he instead sent a text first asking how DS was last night/this morning (he called 1 hour late yesterday as he was stuck in security) and then another asking if I had any specific plans for today and asking (yes, am in shock!) if he could go and collect DS from nursery (at the usual 5.30pm rather than going there early for a change) and then either take him to his house and then bring him back to mine or bring him back to mine and play with him here. I was shocked (theme of the day) so immediately thought that OW must be here, as he would normally be shouting the odds that he hadn?t seen DS for x days and missed him etc etc. The sentimental side of me is thinking that he is being thoughtful to my and DS? life, whereas the cynic in me thinks he can?t have changed that much over 11 days and even oddles of rumpey-pumpey cant make him that mellow, so of course, he is thinking about his schedule and needs ? jet lag and a toddler waking at 5am may not gel together. I can bet money that he will ask to come round tomorrow to take DS to nursery, rocking up at 8am??Thing is, I had a counseling session for tonight (probably my last one). I feel that I should tell him to come round and pick DS up and have him overnight, but don?t want DS to suffer if ex is in a grouchy/post-holiday lull or am I overthinking things? Anyway, if DS stays at home tonight, ex will spend a grand total of 2 hours with the precious son he missed for 11 nights??..reckon he will easily spend that time and more on Skype tonight??

Need to be strong when I see him this evening though and NOT ask anything about his holiday/trip/future plans/OW in general ? will be so hard as I just want to really let him know much he disgusts (or rather, disappoints) me when I think about all the time he has invested in this person and he didn?t give us one jot??.But, I don?t want to show an ounce of emotion to him over him/us. A work colleague suggested just reinforcing the fantastic time DS and I had whilst he was away (all the visits to friends, days out, family staying over etc)?..

D

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Dee34 · 01/06/2011 16:31

Springy - as always, thanks for the support and cheer! I feel a million miles away from the end of this journey, though can't wait to get to the end of it!!

I can't wait for that day when I can wake up and honestly to goodness not give two hoots about ex and his dreamy life...

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MsPav · 01/06/2011 16:39

I'm not sure what the original arrangements were but I'd stick to them regardless, best for both your DS and you. Not your problem if he's jet lagged.

And although it may be torture, just don't engage with him at all. Don't ask him anything, don't volunteer anything. Be polite but cool if he speaks.

I know that you're only pretending you don't care but he wont, and you'll feel so much better after he's gone.

romneymarsh · 01/06/2011 17:59

Hope everything went well this evening. Just remember time is a great healer, I hate that saying but it really is true!

Thinking of you.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 01/06/2011 19:48

Yep best most powerful thing i have now is indifference ,once that kicks in ,and it takes a while ,he will know he has lost control of u forever ,keep everything businesslike u just have to work on curbing ur rage ie not reacting to his triggers anymore
God grant me the serenity...........xxxxxx

Dee34 · 08/06/2011 07:34

Been a few days since I last posted.....

Ex is now back and we have had a few arguments Angry

I think (know), I had a lot of pent up anger inside me, esp regarding the fact that he could now just flounce off on holidays with her and yet didn't ever do the same for DS and I. When he used to come home after his business trips, my suggestions of going out for lunch or taking a Friday afternoon off were often shut down as he was 'too busy'.....

First big argument was on Thursday evening, we were in the kitchen and in between him raving on about how he wished he could make this all stop, he actually turned around to me and said that I had made family life a living hell for the past 12 months! Was shocked at this - told him to leave (yep, he shouldn't have been in the house in the first place!). Fair enough, I had equally been raving about how he was being selfish and that I would never take him back, etc etc. The next morning, he came round for nursery am run and I said that I couldn't control what he said about me, about how unhappy he was etc, but not to re-write DS' history as well....he turned around to me and said that he couldn't remember saying the family-life-living-hell line! Either he is a very good actor or he is going barmy.......Confused

Over the weekend, he had DS on the Sunday - got the usual compliments ('off anywhere nice' in the am when he came round) and he sent me loads of texts that were of a friendly nature and basically giving me a run down of his and DS' day/activities! He even invited me for lunch....to top it all, he sent me a text in the evening using my nickname and wishing me goodnight. I had had enough by then and sent one back, thanking him for the photos he had sent, but that the texts were not appropriate as we are not friends. I am in no way kidding myself that he is wanting to worm his way back in, keep me on the back-burner...instead, I think he wants us to be 'friends' as it looks good on him...If I can forgive him, he can restore his rep and maintain that he is still Mr Nice Guy....it also smoothes the path for OW arriving here next month....anyway, maybe I had too much time on my hands, but got wound up with this idea and on the Monday evening when he dropped DS back off, we had another argument. I will say that I should have kept my big mouth shut, but I had found some notes that he had written (like a script/pointers) on things that he was going to tell OW. No idea when he wrote them, but it was along the lines of 'yes, I may regret this and your friends are right to be concerned' and 'wish I had told you the truth from the start'....so, I was wondering if he had begged here to come here or if she had done all the running...he said that he had not begged here to come over here to which I replied, it's just strange then isn't it...His response, 'cant you just accept that two people can fall in love'....Really saw red at that. We argued a LOT (DS was in the living room) and I mentioned the fact that whilst they were off in happy, loved-up land, they had not given or sacrificed anything....I kicked him out, went upstairs and by the time I had had some play time, bath and bed with DS, he had sent me 3 nasty texts, saying that I was an unhappy person, how I made those his issues, how he was unhappy for 11 years etc etc....Got really upset as he started going on about money...resisted temptation to text back and instead called friends and my sister.....which brings me to today....no contact bar handing over DS since then....

I do wonder how would OW feel to see all the texts and emails where he is banging on about how he wishes he could change last year, re-wind, not gone to US (though actually, he has never said that he wishes he never met OW, just that he would never have looked at another woman if he had known that I loved him!!!) etc etc......Is he losing the plot?

As for me - trying not to get too anxious as July looms.....this has been such a long-drawn out process....I have had to live for 5 months with the prospect of this woman coming over. I have to admit, half of me, had been hoping that she would decide to stay put....no such luck.... Sad

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 08/06/2011 09:50

Yeah but it might not last long D.
Anyway meanwhile protect urself from his big DOOM cloud of bad energy,keep him out ur house and shield himself from his conversations .
My x could never remember anything he said.he asked how I was once ,I was feeling low and told him I wasnt coping with kids 24/7 and needed him to help ,he said "what's ur problem,u were always the effing baby sitter"

He denies saying this
,anyway cruel at the time but taught me NEVER to "chat" to him ever again,takes a while to learn after 16yrs. But independence from him is my greatest gift.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 08/06/2011 10:06

Shield urself from his conversations that should read ie u can't change his words or actions but u can change how u react to him,you have that power xxxxxxxx

Dee34 · 08/06/2011 22:17

Patience - they are so maddeningly crazy, aren't they?!! I do wonder sometimes if ex is quite sane and knows what he is saying and is just trying to take me on his crazy journey with him.....but I think that would be giving him too much credence...Independence as a great gift - hadn't thought of it that way..... Smile

Am hoping that my, what, gazillionth time, of minimising my interaction/contact with him works. It is his bday next week.....should I get something for him from DS? All RL folk tell me no or not to bother, but he did get me something for my birthday from DS (though was obviously a 'guilt' pressie as it was when he had OW stashed round his house and didn't bother telling me....I got nada for Mothers Day, but then, I knew she was here, so less guilt!).

I guess I have my new diet to partially distract me - still need to fit into my old summer work wardrobe...1 or 2 dress sizes away depending on the shop/clothes.

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Xales · 08/06/2011 22:32

He is full of bull shit. You know it.

AND

He obviously didn't tell OW he was in a relationship straight off so deep down she knows it.

She may be stupid enough to think it is all going to be roses and chocolates but he will treat her the same as you. She can never deep down trust him 100% as she knows he was with you when he met her and lied and lead her into thinking he was a free agent.

Does your DS know that it is his birthday? If he hasn't got a clue then don't waste your time & money. If he does take him in a card shop let him pick a card, hand him some crayons to write in it.

Act on the worse. She is coming in July. They are going to set up happy families and include your son in that. It won't be long until they suggest she is called 'mommy' as she is obviously his step mum Hmm. They will be amazing and perfect. Everyone will be in awe of how happy he is and how he has never been so happy.

Prepare for it. Prepare for the pain and heartache because he is going to inflict it on you. Just rely on your good grace.

Then in a few years he will do the same to her and then he should never have let you go you were perfect Hmm probably just after you have settled down with a fabulous guy and are really happy.

Or as soon as you do because you can't have a life and be happy without him so he will have to wreck it.

Patienceobtainsallthings · 09/06/2011 13:41

Yep since my INDIFFERENCE kicked in my X has been polite ,wanting to chat blah blah blah ,
Sorry but u were last weeks news mate ,I had u in ur 20s and 30s dont need u in ur 40s xxxxxx
Watch the door doesnt hit u on the way out !!!!!

waspbee · 09/06/2011 21:00

buy the card - but let ds write in it, thats it your job done there

springydaffs · 10/06/2011 11:01

I agree, he's gone mad. Lala land imo. It's a particularly tenacious mad it though, and you're sucked into it. Maddening, heartbreaking, excruciating ((hug))

I always sent cards to the ex from the kids, got them to write in it. Somehow I wasn't going to be getting petty (like him), wasn't going to stoop to his level. I kept the form of things going. xx

btw I don't know how you didn't hit him when he said the 'falling in love' thing. I know I know, shouldn't hit people but sometimes.....

springydaffs · 10/06/2011 11:02

where did that it come from? Confused

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ssnowflakes · 10/06/2011 16:42

Also you had split up, yet you went round to his house uninvited, peered in through his window and then attacked him about having women's clothes in his house?!

And how is it selfish to get a place around the corner from DS?!

Maybe he just didn't love you any more. That may sound harsh, but it is clearly what happened. It doesn't sound to me like he has done much that is particularly bad - you just don't like it because he left you for someone he preferred.

Anniegetyourgun · 10/06/2011 16:45

Oldest myth in the book, ssnowflakes. You would be unwise to buy into it.

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Dee34 · 10/06/2011 16:50

Right - thanks for that ssnowflakes. I was using this as a place to vent, but obviously not allowed. With that I am gone. Thanks muchly.

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