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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair, left us)

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Dee34 · 03/03/2011 12:17

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers :(

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... :( . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

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Dee34 · 08/05/2011 16:05

Thanks Xales - yep, he is buttering up....at the moment, I am sat here, having rushed around to get all my chores done whilst he has DS and he has not bought him back yet.....supposed to be back for 3.15pm, so almost an hour late. Really taking the piss.....

Can hear a car.....

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Dee34 · 08/05/2011 16:56

Can't believe it....

He has just dropped DS off......his parents were also in the car!! So they sat there making loud noises to DS about loving him, kisses, bye etc. They stayed in the car and didn't even turn their heads in my direction...This of course had me fuming. Ex's house is literally a minutes drive from here. They had obviously been out which is fine, though they need to start factoring in time and allowances I think....Couldn't hide my anger, esp as I was not expecting to see them...and then ex starts banging on about seeing DS for all of tomorrow evening (I.e from nursery pick up to bedtime, bringing him back here) because his parents are going home tomorrow!! And he trotted out for good measure that his mum has been ill for the last 4 months and how she won't be able to see DS for a while...I feel sorry for his mum as she was nice (or seemed to be at the time), but this is a bit of emotional blackmail isn't it?! I just can't believe that they all rolled up here and then they continued to ignore me...Esp as ex knows how I feel about his dad and his role in all this mess - his Dad basically advised ex to go off and be happy and don't end up a miserable man regretting his life!! This from the most miserable man on earth (imho)...

Off to calm down in the garden now...

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Xales · 08/05/2011 17:04

Well now you know why he was being nice, he wanted something from you, again.

Now you have spotted it, you know what he is doing so you can prepare yourself when he is for whatever crap he is rolling out next.

He knows you are a decent person (unlike him) so yes he can use emotional blackmail on you knowing you will feel guilty. His mum may be a nice person but she is his mum. Don't expect anything from her!

oohlaalaa · 08/05/2011 17:12

How awful for you Dee. Stay strong and keep your head up. xx

Patienceobtainsallthings · 08/05/2011 18:15

DEE re drop off ,this is when i would repeat to myself Never expect reasonable behaviour from people incapable of giving it .I found it gave me extra strength to not get emotional.
Also
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change ,
The courage to change the things i can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Dee34 · 08/05/2011 22:47

Yes - the grabbin' selfish pig......I am just totally sick of this crap now. Think I said earlier - give him an inch and he will take, take and take some more just for the fun of it. As for them coming round here and parking on the drive.....have calmed down now, but yes, she is his mum, but really, between the three of them, all grown adults, you would have thought one of them would have said, perhaps its not a good idea for us to come? Or ex could have parked just outside the cul-de-sac and walked up the road/driveway with DS (guess that would take too much effort and thought). The worst thing is the total disregard for my feelings (again) and knowing that he is bending over backwards to show his caring side to OW...

ohhlaalaa, thanks for the kind words. He is doing my head in! I didn't think it was possible to be this angry with someone...he just keeps banging out the crap constantly and its wearing thin now.......today, after all the nonsense of this afternoon, I did find myself asking how could all this be for some random person ex barely knows?! It is so strange, though I had sort of trained myself to stop asking this question (or at least not on a daily, constant basis!). Sort of dragged it up again, as I try and make sense of this and ex's behaviour, though know I am beating my head against a tree on that score as there is no sense in it at all.....

Patience - thanks for the reminder on the serenity prayer. Prob need to utter those words before every meeting with ex now...Think he was feeding a bit off the mini-drama (bet it gave them something to talk about on the short drive home) as I have been been ultra strict in avoiding him and not taking his calls if he phones late or answering random texts about DS (as in, texts that can answered the next day etc).....

One good thing about all of this is that it just strengthens my resolve against the ex and helps me see him for the truly weak, petty and nasty individual that he is. Also adds fuel to my dithering about going down the mediation route with him....I can imagine the outcome; if he gets his way, then what has been agreed will be case it stone and iron and forever unmovable. If he doesn't then he will be quick to tell me that mediation is not binding, mediation is crap etc.

Lots of pillow punching tonight!

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Dee34 · 08/05/2011 22:58

samels001 - sorry to hear that you are going through similar Sad.....I remember when I first posted here, I was in the pit of despair (and can still get that way sometimes tbh), but it does get better and I have had lots of useful advice from the folk on here who have taken time to post, share and advise....big thing is to go for detachment/no contact, though may depend on your circumstances.....??

Take care, x

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 08/05/2011 23:01

I know now that everything that came out my Xs mouth,since we split , was lies and bullshit DEE.
Nothing can be proven at the time and if we argue we look unhinged and they use it to justify their behaviour ,they are guilt free manipulators at this stage but this parenting lark is a marathon not a sprint so bide your time and keep chanting your affirmations Smile

Downunderdolly · 09/05/2011 13:31

Hi Dee - Just more 'breathe in, breathe out, mother f**r advice....." in Oz it was mother's day yesterday and ex turned up with some (ok, one step up from petrol station) roses from my DS. So far so expected. then ex MIL calls up saying "oooh ex H is SUCH a wonderful person as he said he was getting me flowers from DS and despite all it shows how much he is focused on his on'....made no comment aside from general grunt but felt like saying...'such a great dad he is taking mother of his child to court so he can pay crappy child support etc etc'.......breathe in, breathe out...we will prevail!!! lots of love xxx

Downunderdolly · 09/05/2011 13:31

focused on his son even....

springydaffs · 09/05/2011 14:57

How hurtful of his parents, esp his mum, who you thought was the only decent human being in all this (hug) (hug)

You don't know what he'#s been saying mind you.. plus she's in his dad's thraw, remember Hmm

Also, parking in the drive was a blatant boundary violation - literally and physically violating your boundaries by parking on your property. He may argue that it is his.. but as part of thinking about boundaries I found it helpful to think of a picture of my house (representing myself) with a fence around it: no-one can come past the fence/gate unless they are invited by me - and no-one who is within that boundary can abuse me, violate me or treat me disrespectfully. Interesting that in this instance he (with his parents) literally came within your 'fence' and did all of the above.

I really understand the volcanic anger when these shits violate you - I remember shaking so badly with anger I literally quaked deep inside. imo it is righteous anger - but don't let him see you getting angry or, if he does, act totally normal and fairly breezy next time. Don#t let him know h's got to you.

How dare he make comments about your appearance - again, this is a boundary violation: he has chosen to step outside of your intimate relationship, he can't step back in when he feels like it - or, as in this case, is buttering you up to do you over Angry

Been there, t-shirt. Tiresome!! xxxx

Dee34 · 09/05/2011 21:49

Yes, am breathing - trying to at least and repeating the various mantras/prayers etc. I am feeling really anxious at the moment - just sent ex an email about his suggestion for a weeks hol with DS, and how I think it would be better for DS to get used to staying with ex first, then do a weekend away with family, gentle introduction to OW etc....I know that literally, I can only appeal to him and any sense of moral grounding, and that he can do what he wants, but I am sick with nerves.......My stomach is churning, waiting for his response (am expecting the worst and for him to come back demanding his rights and shouting the odds....). It makes me so angry that he has this 'power' over me and can make me feel this way....This makes me realise that I probably do have a lot more work to do (else, surely, I would have just sent the email and be off doing something else?!).......

springydaffs - yes, have been done over as gave in and let him have DS this evening....I really need to get the weekends sorted out, but so hard as ex keeps springing things like OW visiting, his parents visiting, him going away for work/hol to see her.....I am determined to get it sorted this week....though am pushing away the thoughts of not sleeping under the same roof as DS for the first time ever (I have never had a night away from him - even when I have had a night out, I have come home, eventually....). It just makes me sick that this is all for some bloody OW who lives on the other side of the world and her slavish devotion and love for ex who is completely in awe of her.....so pointless....Yes, he was violating boundaries - and he knows it, but as usual, he just doesn't care, or doesn't care enough. When he dropped DS off this evening, he had parked around the corner and left them in the car there - after I told him to do so. I felt funny about asking this, but am sure if I hadn't he would have just rolled up with them again.

Patience - yes, I have been told that I am the crazy one, that I am deluded, so do try and steer clear of him and his crap now - easier said than done these days, but getting there!

Downunder - ah, is it Mothers Day down under? Happy Mothers Day! Do you speak to his mum? Yes, a slight conflict in terms of him taking you to court to argue the odds about child support (is he still enjoying slap-up meals/expense of single life?)!! My ex was the most generous person - or so I thought - the other day, he kindly reminded me that I hadn't moved the house phone/BB bill from the joint account to my own single current account! He probably spends 2-4 times that amount on a single meal out for the two of them when she is here/he is there.....pathetic really....

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Ironwilledmama · 09/05/2011 22:46

Dee,
It's not that you have more work to do, it's because it's still early days, alot of this comes with time regardelss of the work you put in, plus it's a very emotive subject - getting used to being apart from your ds. And considering the circumstances I would insist that its done gradually. Never mind appealing to him and any sense of moral grounding because he doesn't have any.
You know what's best for your child, you are his mother, he has put you in this situation but don't let him dictate how it's going to be from now on. And yes, luckily for him you do have a moral code and facilitate contact with his ds a fair bit when it suits him it seems. But you are the one in control ( you just don't feel it yet).
I'm so angry that your having to send that e-mail tonight, I remember exactly how I felt when I was sending those emails and what is it with these bloody men and holidays? They always have to have something going on, people visiting, holidays to look forward to, because they are too empty to deal with the day to day life of bringing up children and all the mundanity that entails.

Let us know his response, and remember digest it before you reply, you are the one in control, not that little idiot.

bananahammoc · 09/05/2011 23:42

Hi Dee not commented on your post but have been following it. Cut long story short my H left after affair, came back, left again. I spent a lot of time telling myself our relationship was special, he would come to his senses all the usual idiotic stuff. Ive been where you are recently H told me he wanted DCs to meet OW. I have 2 DD and the eldest is very sensitive and emotional. She struggles sometimes with H not being here. I know like you I dont have a leg to stand on. When I actually thought about it though, it was like it was the last hold he had on me. He knows this is the thing that scares me the most so I thought, you know what, face your fear so I said OK as long as you only do it when DC's are ready and as a parent I trust you will do whats right by them. I felt awful, cried and felt like I was going back to stage one where I couldnt accept life without him. He has since come back to me and said Im not planning on that happening at the moment until DCs are ready! So you see it was more about hurting me and him being selfish. I think they run out of things to hurt us with, I could be wrong but sometimes when we detach and move on it shocks their core. Obviously this is pretence on my part, I havent moved on I miss him every day and it hurts when he has but if I pretend long enough, Im hoping it will hurt less as time goes on. Take care xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Patienceobtainsallthings · 10/05/2011 00:15

Banana my experience is the same ie once I accepted the marriage was over I could ignore his anger,keep calm and carry on.He used the fact that I still had feelings for him to manipulate me.He no longer has control of me and that irritates him.As I grow stronger ,he just gets weak.

springydaffs · 10/05/2011 22:50

quick post again - well done Dee, you are splendid, I hope you realise that.

wanted to say: he's not doing 'all this' for the OW, he's doing it for himself. all of it actually.

Banana you are so right with "So you see it was more about hurting me and him being selfish"

and then "I think they run out of things to hurt us with"

so painful! but detach detach detach (on the outside at least) xxx

LeLapinSecret · 11/05/2011 01:32

Hi Dee, just a very quick hello again (was AgentSecrete before!) and wanted to say that re him taking your son on holiday, the point that might carry more weight is that your son probably wouldn't cope well with a whole week without you, seeing as he is so young and you are, after all, his primary carer. Kind of like banana said, it's about "when he's ready", and that puts you in a stronger position, I think, puts you in the role of responsible, loving parent whose first concern is her son's welfare (which you obviously are!) rather than the role of needy/unstable ex asking for favours from him, which he would be so happy to consign you to. (He's tried hard enough, hasn't he? Manipulative little shit.) And making sure that DS is ready also fits in perfectly with your idea of starting off with shorter periods and gradually building up, if - and only if - he can cope.

Hope this makes sense (it's so late and I'm bonkers tired, but up so late cause of dealling with my own crap - different scenario, still crap!). I totally echo springydaffs' "well done" to you. It is hard to keep going when other people just don't seem to have a shred of decency in them but you are moving on in leaps and bounds, however hard it still feels.

Dee34 · 11/05/2011 15:52

Quick update - well, got a response just gone midnight (so didn't see it until this morning). Basically, he just said yep to all the questions/suggestions about having DS overnight tonight and Sat and ignored all the other stuff!! He was very enthusastic with lots of 'thats great' and a ton of exclamaition marks. Not a boo about taking hols slowly (LeLapinSecret - yep, good thinking! I did frame this from DS' perspective and made sure that it read very neutral iyswim), or that he would have to accept responsibility about going away for 11 nights at the end of the month on a combo of work and a 'personal' holiday.....hence, why I am holding my breath!! Just waiting for the snipey, bitter email telling me that he can do what he wants and I need to get my head around everything sooner rather than later, blah, blah.....By his usual mode of operation, he will be primed to send this either as he is about to go to the US or she is about to come here.....

So a good response, though I am a bit upset that he can so merrily carry on as if this is all such a fantastic turn of events (though, can understand that he is happy to be having DS over tonight). Esp, as I need to get over this hurdle of not sleeping under the same roof as DS tonight for the first time ever....... Smile

I know I shouldn't even give him or her a second thought - but I think him having DS tonight is churning things up again....am starting to think that this could be more of one of those exit affairs...so maybe he was really unhappy and is really happy now and I just didn't notice it....just so peeved that he this has happened to DS, though...... Sad

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Dee34 · 11/05/2011 16:15

Forgot to say....was supposed to have a counselling session tonight, but going to cancel as dont think I can handle going out this evening to moan over ex and stuff and then have to come back to an empty house....will try and distract myself with the Apprentice and a takeaway.....

bananahammoc, patience - you are so right. I think maybe ex was shocked with the email I sent on Monday night as basically agreed to DS staying over from this week and also acknowleged that DS would meet OW when she gets here (though did emphasis the slowly, slowly approach - very difficult to get this across to a bloody romantic idiot that has decided its perfectly fine to introduce OW to his family and dearest friends on her last - and only second - visit here, and she is not even living here yet!). I think if he had his way, he would have introduced DS to her back on her first visit here in Feb.....He is seriously off convinced that he and her will be together forever (hmmmm, hence, why everything has to happen now,now, now?!).

springydaffs - thanks as always. I really dont feel like I am getting there...not inside anyway. But I think I am bearing up for tonight and not having DS running around in the morning.....I am also finding myself really, really hating ex now. I am bloody angry that it has all come to this - 11 years chucked away for someone he has only phyiscally been with for around 30-odd days (and okay, 7 months now). I cant bear to look at him. If he was so unhappy for 2+ years, how come he only decided to up and leave after downing some cocktails along with her knickers and his trousers?!! But, enough with the whys I guess....will probably be doing some pillow punching and screaming tonight......

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Xales · 11/05/2011 16:18

Keep a diary.

1st Jan - 15th Jan - Fred had to go away on work so was unfortunately unable to see DS as normally arranged.

15th - 20th Jan - Fred decided to take a weeks holiday to go and see Frieda and so chose not to see DS as normally arranged.

22nd Jan - Fred asked to have DS at extremely short notice in addition to his normal arrangments as he had decided not to see DS as per normal arrangments to go away. Fred became agressive and nasty in texts at 20:00 that I was preventing him from seeing DS and going on about his rights to see DS.

24th Jan - I suggested that we start increasing DS time with Fred and that he have him over night on 26th Jan and 28th Jan.

1st Feb - Fred communicated his intention to take DS away for 7 nights starting 1st March. I expressed that in my opinion as he has only had DS over night 4 times that this would be too much, plus he has not yet been introduced to Frieda and may be extremely anxious and that we should take this slower for DS. Fred became nasty in texts at 20:00 advising that is was his right to do what he wanted with his son when he wanted and that we should not try and make this as easy and painless for DS as possible.

Keep it factual no 'fucking wanking cunt is at it again' type entries not matter how tempting and accurate! Grin

Also I know I shouldn't joke but can we start a word bingo? We all know that text/email is coming about his son and that he has rights to do stuff and you can put up and shut up. Please? Pretty please?

What date is he going so we can predict when he sends the text? Oh and time of flight so he will then turn phone off and not get your reply.....

We can give him points for things in the text.
He's my son.
I can do what I want.
You are being selfish.

Plan yourself a nice long bath, glass of wine, chocolate, face mask and a good book. It will get better! Honest.

Dee34 · 11/05/2011 18:54

Thanks Xales - yes, need to be more factual in my logs (I do try and keep a commentary going but

So, he has come and gone and taken DS with him and I am in bits......He had parked on the drive and he asked if he could borrow some books to read to DS at bedtime (so he has gone out and bought a bouncy castle for the garden, but no books?!). As DS and I selected some books, I could see from the window that he was texting away.......

I know I shouldn't indulge in any warped fantasies, but I just cant help feeling/thinking that this is all a big game to him. That he will go back to his house and rejoice in the fact that he has DS staying there for the night and have his parents and OW heap the congratulations on him (an over-active imagination).

I know that Patience and others have said that parenting is a marathon and not a sprint, but I do really feel as if DS will forget all about me, that he will prefer spending time with his dad to me, and yes, that OW will become an ideal stepmother to DS and partner to ex and that she gets to encroach on my life and what would have been my future.....

Even though I know that ex has parental responsibility, I cant help thinking that I have made this all too 'easy' for ex and OW. I suggested he have DS tonight and I have not been able to stand up to him all this time with his stupid demands. The one nice thing he said to me when he was here was 'Are you sure you want to do this?' as I was saying goodbye to DS was cancelled out as he then told me to 'hurry up' with my goodbyes and started his engine as DS was still talking to me....

I am just pissed off and tired and angry - again, I find myself back in the old days of crying whilst he and her go off and live their pain-free lives......

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Dee34 · 11/05/2011 19:01

oh dear.....too busy wallowing in my misery to finish that first sentence...yes, I do try and keep a running commentary going in a notebook (that I have to hide or cart around with me as ex still has keys for the house. Dont think he's ever snooped though, else he would have seen that I have cleared out his wardrobe etc), but too much detail, so will keep the factual stance in mind. Will also mean shorter entries for me!

I FULLY expect a nonsense bit of comms from him about the rest of my email - on his terms. He is due to go at the end of the month (for 11 nights of work, fun and pleasure), he's not confirmed the dates yet, but will defo let you know. I'll have dibs on 'He's my son' and 'You have to get used to this sooner rather than later'.....oh and 'Dont you get it - I was unhappy for 2years, 3years, the whole relationship'.....when in actual fact he means that he was unhappy when I started to focus on DS rather than act as he personal skivvy/PA/chef/organiser of his social diary.....

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Patienceobtainsallthings · 11/05/2011 19:27

Dee this is such an emotional time for you, first overnight stay ,your emotions are all normal I could have written lots of what you have written regarding X going off and whistling dixie while I was going through a gut ripping out pain akin to the final scenes of Braveheart .
Are you still doing counselling ,just good to offload and also good to stop the negative fantasy ,it just wears us down .He has NO right to hurry you when you are saying your goodbyes

Your son will NEVER forget all about you !!!!!!!!!!!
You didnt leave xxxxxxxx

Xales · 11/05/2011 19:30

Keep a second diary for ranting. See how many times you can get wanker or cunt into your page.

I was thinking. Do you think your ex is having skype/webcam talks with Freida in the evenings? They are probably already doing stuff on cam in an evening to keep their relationship going Envy (that is a vomit emote not an envy one).

Perhaps the gentlest thing for your son would be to sit with his dad while he has a webchat with her (not that sort!!!) so that your son can see her as daddys friend?

Horrible for you I know but easier than DS just walking into the house with his dad and there she is smack in his face, them all lovely dovey all over each other and in his dads bed?

springydaffs · 11/05/2011 20:23

You absolutely must get the keys off him Dee - he shouldn't have a set. Or change the locks without telling him and see how long it takes him to realise..

Sorry you're struggling - all par for the course but doesn't make it any easier. You're bound to have ups and downs, recovery doesn't (unfortunately) go in a straight line upwards, a gradual ascent.

I hope you have a peaceful time tonight. I know it's a hard thing for you to face but I'm hoping it will give you space to breathe as well as grieve if that is appropriate. Sometimes, grieving can be wholesome iyswim, not necessarily pillow-chewing agony. Having ds around and you have to have a front on all the time, even when he's in bed (up to a point) - it can be quite liberating to have your own space to follow your own rythmn (getting poetic now but I found the times the kids went to their dads a great solace sometimes).

Keep going Dee, you'#re doing marvellously. tbh if you were breezy and 'taking it well' I'd be more concerned xx

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