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Hello from a child-free girl...

443 replies

goldilockz · 16/02/2011 00:20

Hi everyone,

I hope you don't mind me becoming a member of your forums, I must admit I'm rather nervous to be doing so and hope you'll have the patience to read my post through to the end. Briefly, I'm a 26 year old from Scotland who has no children and doesn't want any children (please don't let this put you off!) This was never an issue for me until my long-term boyfriend and I started discussing having children last year. He thinks he wants children while I have never experienced the elusive maternal urge or ticking of the biological clock. While I initially thought that adopting would be a reasonable compromise, I soon came to my senses and realised that a person should not be a compromise and that someone who doesn't want children shouldn't have them when her only reason for doing so would be to maintain her relationship. I discussed this with a few friends, some of whome knew where I was coming from, others who were a bit less accepting of the fact I'm unlikely to change my mind, saying that I've been given a womb for a reason, that my clock will start ticking etc. While I acknowledge that this is a possibility, I know that it's highly unlikely.

My reason for posting is that, since that 'chat' with my boyfriend which obviously caused us both a lot of distress as, lets face it, disagreeing about having children is a deal-breaker, I have become more and more aware of my 'child-free' status and ever more aware of the divisions between women who don't have or want children and women that do. This, admittedly, is something that concerns me. I don't like the idea of going through life judging other people because their decision differs from mine, nor do I want to be defensive and, while I have found websites such as thechildfreelife.com to be helpful, I also think they make one identify more with a child-free persona and being child-free is only a small part of who I am. My reasons for joining this forum is to integrate myself more with people who are not child-free, hopefully make a few friends and perhaps learn something from one another. I don't want to go through life being defensive about not having children or feel I have to justify my choice. I don't want to be labelled as being 'child-free' or the like, but I have noticed that this is something I identify myself with more and more and this upsets me. OK, enough of my waffling. I hope what I've said has made some sense and that I've not offended anyone in the process, as that is completely the opposite of why I'm here. I'm shaking as I write this because I'm very aware of the disparity between women who have children and those who don't and am envisaging a backlash! I hope that doesn't happen and I'm looking forward to your replies.

Goldi xx

OP posts:
AgeingGrace · 16/02/2011 13:34

I think it's more a matter of degree, Posie :) Some dog-lovers might go out of their way to stress that you may want a dog one day, when you've got a bigger house, your career is more settled or whatever. Most people wouldn't, though. Most would, rightly, be unbothered about it. Believe me, that proportion is reversed when it comes to a woman saying she doesn't want children or doesn't care about it.

Leaving this thread now, anyway. I was surprised to find I do feel quite miffed about it! It's not keeping me awake at night, though.

blondepinhead · 16/02/2011 13:36

thumbdabwitch - I was referring to her post this morning, about her arguments with her colleague and hairdresser. Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I agree that mostly everyone on here has just been putting forward their own experience, as have I. Was trying to be funny, not very good at it Blush

Agree with you very much about the evangelising too. However it looks like she realised she was in the wrong there, I hope, so maybe she'll see that whatever this 'gap' is, it's only in her imagination.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 13:37

I'm pretty sure I've never asked anyone why they don't want children....

AgeingGrace · 16/02/2011 13:40

tsk, I'd be shocked if YOU had, Posie!

Subway · 16/02/2011 13:43

I think I've bored myself to sleep reading this thread (including my own contributions, I hasten to add Smile).

'26 yr old woman doesn't want kids' SHOCKER.

Call the DM, they'll have Jan Moir or Liz Jones or some other dreary bore write 2000 words on it on slow 'news' day.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 13:44

Do you think Jan Moir will follow the OP around for a day?

thumbdabwitch · 16/02/2011 13:47

oh no worries blondepinhead :) Please don't be Blush about it. The comments from the hairdresser and colleague were indeed painful! It's something that never stops though - single? when are you getting hitched; no child? when are you having one; once you have one, people are forever asking when the next one's due (never thinking that you might be desperately trying, or have had multiple MCs, or simply don't want more than one)

People just don't think beyond their own noses sometimes and come out with banalities. And so many people can't relate to experiences outside of their own (my mother was like this, drove me nuts!)

I don't know about the OP knowing she was in the wrong though - having seen all the agreement she got on the other forum, I would imagine that she feels justified in her own stance by them.
But yes, it was good of her to come back and apologise.

berryshake · 16/02/2011 14:17

I don't plan to have children for ~five years, but I like the banter on here. I didn't bother announcing it because I realised that nobody would give a damn. Brew Mmmm, tea.

blondepinhead · 16/02/2011 14:23

Grin berryshake. Would you like a Biscuit with that tea?

(Just realised that the biscuit is a 'no comment' emoticon. All these years I thought everyone was being really nice and offering each other jammy dodgers Blush)

suzikettles · 16/02/2011 14:25

I'm trying to think if I was friends with anyone with children at 26. Don't think so actually, not close friends anyway.

I'm 38 now and about 50% of my friends don't have children, some by choice, some because they were never in a position where it felt like the right time to have one, some because of fertility issues. It's not impossible that some of them will go on to have children now but as they're all in their late 30s/40s/50s it's not hugely likely.

I've never felt this "gap" of which you speak. I do try not to talk about ds too much when I'm with them, but that's largely that my experience is people banging on about their offspring is quite dull. Having a child doesn't automatically make you fascinated about the details of every other child's life.

I think probably most "breeders" are the same tbh.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 14:46

OP - god that you came back to respond though I think most posters here are genuinely confused by this artificial need to "bond" with people based on whether they have childrne or not. For the vast majority of us this isn't a situation we recognise. Like many others, I had no friends who had childrne at 26 most ofmy friends didn;t start getting amrried until their 30's and mostly didn't have childrne until at last their late 30's. It didn't occur to me that was unusual.

People commenting on my choices in life are immensely irritating (I have been called selfish for adopting DS amongst other things). But really does it need to inform your life? Aren't they just annoying people who have no impact on your life?

People are suggesting that you may change your mind because it does happen. It doesn't mean it will happen to you but people aren't being offensive by suggesting it might.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 14:53

Toby - being psychic isnot sadly one of my many accomplishments so I know nothing of your childrens ages or what you have said to them.

I think its a horrible term to use about anyone (not relevant whether they are children or not) and as I said I wouldn't use it (in any event DS wasn't a result of a fuck so not relevant). If not liking it gives me a stick up my arse then I do. But I really don't mind what you call your children it has no impact on me at all. I'm less impressed with your inability to deal with people disagreeing wihtout name calling - but even that it to be expected on an online forum where everyone has their opinion and the burning desire to share it.

steps101 · 16/02/2011 15:01

I love people who identify primarily as "child free." They are so hilariously self-obsessed, hysterical and desperate to see persecution everywhere. The Livejournal childfree forums are the best, they all take themselves SO FUCKING SERIOUSLY. It's a joy to behold Grin

I don't have kids, don't particularly want any right now, and I have never - LITERALLY NEVER - had anyone express any opinion on the matter. One of my aunts asked me once if I wanted children, I said no, and she said fair enough - and she is someone who places family above everything else.

I wonder when the whiny child-frees will grow the fuck up and realise that, actually, no1curr.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 15:04

Kew....DS was not the result of your own fuck!!ShockWink not sure if that's poor taste, you can report if it is.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 15:10

Posie - thats true I hadn;t thought of it like that!

Toby makes me feel like Mary Whtehouse - but surely most people don't refer to their childrne as fuck gifts or whatever.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 15:14

"All it means is that 'the selfish gene' is rather less selfish in me than in some others." Just noticed this and it baffles me. Why does not having childrne make you less selfish than having children Confused We all made selfish decisions about what we wanted to do at the time.

An unselfish decision would be "Oh I am desperate to have a child but I would have to give up my ground breaking work on discovering a cure for cancer and that just isn't fair on the world"

Apologies to Amazing grace if she is on the verge of discovering a cure for some horrible disease and my thanks to her for her unselfish decision.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 15:16

{phew....was really worried that I may have gone over the lines of decency!!}

Yes you're right about the selfish gene thing, I hadn't noticed but it is odd.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 15:18

Posie - despite what Toby may beleive I have no stick up my arse and rarely take offence at anything except that which is nastily meant or inappropriate in front of children.

Had you said it in front of DS I would of course have punched your lights out Wink

thumbdabwitch · 16/02/2011 15:21

I think the selfish gene reference is to do with the evolutionary procreative need - why bears eat other bears' cubs, lions kill other lions' cubs, so that their gene is the one that carries on through the gene lineage.

Apologies if you knew that and I am explaining unnecessarily.

so if someone chooses not to procreate, technically their "selfish gene" is malfunctioning, or something. sort of.

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 15:25

AStoundingly Thumb I did not know that

thumbfucker · 16/02/2011 15:30

Grin at Kewc

That bloke, Richard Dawkins, wrote a book about it. I got bored about 1/3 of the way through because he couldn't content himself with one example - he had to give at least 3. Being the sort of person who usually only needs one example, it pissed me off. Grin
Still, it was useful to say that was what I was reading when an interview panel asked me (had listed reading as one of my hobbies) - that shut 'em up quick!

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 15:33

Blush - sorry about that, posted in my transient name for a particular thread! Sorry if it offended anyone...

Kewcumber · 16/02/2011 15:36

Now you see DS still thinks I do know everything. That is why I really had children.

AgeingGrace · 16/02/2011 15:46

Thanks, thumbwitch, for correctly explaining my 'selfish gene' observation :)

victoriascrumptious · 16/02/2011 15:51

I really don't give a fuck whether the OP wants to have children or not. I don't get it why she's here though if she is disinterested in children.

As other posters have said, she's got some serious issues she needs to work through.

I'd cross the road to avoid someone as self-absorbed as her pre or post children