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Hello from a child-free girl...

443 replies

goldilockz · 16/02/2011 00:20

Hi everyone,

I hope you don't mind me becoming a member of your forums, I must admit I'm rather nervous to be doing so and hope you'll have the patience to read my post through to the end. Briefly, I'm a 26 year old from Scotland who has no children and doesn't want any children (please don't let this put you off!) This was never an issue for me until my long-term boyfriend and I started discussing having children last year. He thinks he wants children while I have never experienced the elusive maternal urge or ticking of the biological clock. While I initially thought that adopting would be a reasonable compromise, I soon came to my senses and realised that a person should not be a compromise and that someone who doesn't want children shouldn't have them when her only reason for doing so would be to maintain her relationship. I discussed this with a few friends, some of whome knew where I was coming from, others who were a bit less accepting of the fact I'm unlikely to change my mind, saying that I've been given a womb for a reason, that my clock will start ticking etc. While I acknowledge that this is a possibility, I know that it's highly unlikely.

My reason for posting is that, since that 'chat' with my boyfriend which obviously caused us both a lot of distress as, lets face it, disagreeing about having children is a deal-breaker, I have become more and more aware of my 'child-free' status and ever more aware of the divisions between women who don't have or want children and women that do. This, admittedly, is something that concerns me. I don't like the idea of going through life judging other people because their decision differs from mine, nor do I want to be defensive and, while I have found websites such as thechildfreelife.com to be helpful, I also think they make one identify more with a child-free persona and being child-free is only a small part of who I am. My reasons for joining this forum is to integrate myself more with people who are not child-free, hopefully make a few friends and perhaps learn something from one another. I don't want to go through life being defensive about not having children or feel I have to justify my choice. I don't want to be labelled as being 'child-free' or the like, but I have noticed that this is something I identify myself with more and more and this upsets me. OK, enough of my waffling. I hope what I've said has made some sense and that I've not offended anyone in the process, as that is completely the opposite of why I'm here. I'm shaking as I write this because I'm very aware of the disparity between women who have children and those who don't and am envisaging a backlash! I hope that doesn't happen and I'm looking forward to your replies.

Goldi xx

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Sarsaparilllla · 16/02/2011 16:12

The thread on the other place has been locked by a moderator Confused

Bloody hell, kids or no kids that's why I like MN, you can just have a discussion about whatever stuff you want and not get censored all over the place Grin

DuelingFanjo · 16/02/2011 18:15

Answering the OP only.

I think you need to seriously about if you want to remain with your boyfriend. It would be really unfair to deny him the chance of a family and the sooner you move on the easier it will be for you both to find someone who has the same feelings re having kids.

You posted this in relationships and so I think you are right to be concerned about your relationship being damaged.

TobyLerone · 16/02/2011 18:56

Quite why I'm feeling the need to explain myself here I'm not sure, but here it is:

I deliberately chose the examples of 'what else I am' because of their diversity and seeming-unimportance. My point was that everyone finds different things interesting. And everyone has different facets to their personality.

I didn't call anyone names, unlike some of the more judgemental posters here.

And as for the 'fuck-trophies' thing, that is a perfect description of two amazing children born of a horrifically abusive marriage. There was no moonlight-and-roses 'love-making' in my marriage. There was fucking. He fucked, I got fucked. And I ended up with two prizes for it, which made it all worthwhile.

But, you know... thanks for the completely unwarranted judgement.

I really am done with this thread now.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:04

However you paint it you allow someone else to reduce your children with mocking or otherwise to be called fuck trophies....I would have thought that would be a term for genital warts or herpes, not children. And being 'down with the CF's' in demeaning language and offensive language toward parents is frankly dim.

TobyLerone · 16/02/2011 19:10

Why? Are genital warts and herpes considered good things now?

sungirltan · 16/02/2011 19:12

the 'child free' (boak) forums are hilarious. they sooo want to be a special group who are discriminated against and not judged and yet they spend ALOT of time making nasty comments about 'breeders'. judge and be judged.

i am quite shocked. i have never seen a thread on here bitching about the 'child free' with special made up neoligsims to describe them. i ask you

NonnoMum · 16/02/2011 19:14

That's absolutley fine that you don't want to have children...
And well done that you and your DP discussed this now - some people don't have this discussion til they've been married for a couple of years.
BUT, like you say, it is a deal-breaker in a relationshop...
So, you might want to 'let DP go' in order that he can meet someone he can have a family with...

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:26

You should read the bullying advocated if a partner wants children, basically convince them until they submit.....they even suggest that most men don't really want them anyway, they're just going along with society.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:27

No, she won't let DP go neither will the 23 yr old.....sounds like a bit of teen rebellion a little late.

QuintessentialShadows · 16/02/2011 19:30

I wasnt going to post more on this thread (seeing as there are so many people with poor communication skills (self included) ), until I noticed KewCumber on it. KC, you would be a great PM. You would in fact be ACE.
(Speaking as somebody who has met KC, and gotten quite drunk with her on a fab-tabulous night out, no kids in sight Wink )

QuintessentialShadows · 16/02/2011 19:39

Gosh, having read this entire thread, I realize something.

I should go and post on a forum for veteran motorbike owners, because I dont want a veteran motorbike, to see if I can bridge this large gap between myself and the veteran motorbike loving lot. That would SO make sense.

anyway, I think it is Wine o clock.

kerala · 16/02/2011 19:43

Yes just off to crack open a bottle and join a darts forum. Really want to understand those guys and their beer bellies abit better.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:44

OMG...I'm addicted. Now one CF member is a step mother to a nine yr old who lives with her and is complaining that she comes into her room when she watching TV and asks her questions and frequently comes in when they're having sex....

What adult has sex whilst a child is up and about, a nine yr old?

Susiewho · 16/02/2011 19:44

QuintessentialShadows, I've been thinking the same thing all day! I really don't like caravans. Never have, and I seriously doubt I ever will. So, I'm thinking of emailing the Caravan Club about this for their opinions.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:45

Perhaps QS and KEW you would consider the feminist conf. in November?

QuintessentialShadows · 16/02/2011 19:46

Posie, will there be any veteran motorbike owners there, you think?

(If so, I MUST go)

QuintessentialShadows · 16/02/2011 19:47

Susiewho, maybe me and you should be friends and explore this a little closer. I dont have a caravan, but I do have a campervan, and that is in the same vein, isnt it?

BelleBelicious · 16/02/2011 19:51

QS and Susie - brilliant!

Darts, caravanning - how about speedway, or allotment owners or cat breeders? There are so many groups of people out there that I have no interest in and never want to be like, but now I realise, I can spend my time telling them that I don't want to be like them and bridge that gap!

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:51

Seems to me you don't love your bf enough to allow him to fall in love with someone who wants children. Denying someone else the right to have children if they want is the same injustice as forcing parenthood upon someone. Can you really say that when your husband is 40/45 and he has regrets, which he almost certainly will, that you won't feel incredibly selfish about keeping him?

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I thought you were talking about a real baby then.....not a substitute.

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Wow, interesting that many of you met people that wanted children and you changed their minds.....how awful. Can you imagine if they forced you to change your mind and have children or they would withdraw their love? How incredibly selfish.

These quotes are by me, I've been warned for offensive posts......fuck me they should visit mumsnet.

EngelbertFustianMcSlinkydog · 16/02/2011 19:53

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ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:53

Must.step.away.

just posted......oops, now I really will be banned, may as well just launch an offence.

For a start what sort of parent has sex whilst their child is up and awake, that's pretty perverse. If you were going to be this awful why marry a man with children? Honestly you're like a petulant child. I was watching TV and she dared to ask me a question, wow in her own home she asked the woman that married her father a question.

SHE'S NINE. This forum isn't for poor CF people marginalised by those nasty parents who dare to have their children out in public. It's for children who don't want to grow up, who want support for being utterly selfish and bullies. Guess what? Noone cares whether or not you have children, people just make small talk because that's what people do. The unemployed don't bleat on about people asking them what job they do, moan that someone had a paycheck sticking out of their pocket, or someone in a work uniform was eating in a restaurant.

It's a good job some of the people you seem to loathe so much are having children so that when you're old and grey there's someone to wipe the drool from your mouths.

Susiewho · 16/02/2011 19:54

Oh, Quintessential, I too have a campervan! Yes, let's be friends and perhaps we could explore other activities that neither of us is interested in. Veteran motorcycles holds no fascination for me either. It's a good start. Cheers!Wine

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 19:54

Just to reiterate I don't care if people choose to have children or not, as long as they're not vile about the other group....never heard parents complain and CFers.

TCOB · 16/02/2011 20:01

Sorry I only speak to people who have children as my entire life is subsumed in them. However I am available for scientific research so would be delighted to help with Goldi's experiment and be poked with sticks in order to find out how mothers respond.

freerangeeggs · 16/02/2011 20:14

I'm also a 26 year old from Scotland and reading the start of your post was a bit creepy...

This time last year I felt like you and wanted to adopt, at most. Now I want to have kids. Not immediately, but in the next few years.

My family is full of babies so they were never interesting for me! My aunts/cousins etc are forever popping out fresh new babbies.

I think it was becoming a teacher that changed my mind. The kids I teach are wonderful and I love teaching them. Plus I feel that I'm doing the world a favour by propagating my superior genes :P

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