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Hello from a child-free girl...

443 replies

goldilockz · 16/02/2011 00:20

Hi everyone,

I hope you don't mind me becoming a member of your forums, I must admit I'm rather nervous to be doing so and hope you'll have the patience to read my post through to the end. Briefly, I'm a 26 year old from Scotland who has no children and doesn't want any children (please don't let this put you off!) This was never an issue for me until my long-term boyfriend and I started discussing having children last year. He thinks he wants children while I have never experienced the elusive maternal urge or ticking of the biological clock. While I initially thought that adopting would be a reasonable compromise, I soon came to my senses and realised that a person should not be a compromise and that someone who doesn't want children shouldn't have them when her only reason for doing so would be to maintain her relationship. I discussed this with a few friends, some of whome knew where I was coming from, others who were a bit less accepting of the fact I'm unlikely to change my mind, saying that I've been given a womb for a reason, that my clock will start ticking etc. While I acknowledge that this is a possibility, I know that it's highly unlikely.

My reason for posting is that, since that 'chat' with my boyfriend which obviously caused us both a lot of distress as, lets face it, disagreeing about having children is a deal-breaker, I have become more and more aware of my 'child-free' status and ever more aware of the divisions between women who don't have or want children and women that do. This, admittedly, is something that concerns me. I don't like the idea of going through life judging other people because their decision differs from mine, nor do I want to be defensive and, while I have found websites such as thechildfreelife.com to be helpful, I also think they make one identify more with a child-free persona and being child-free is only a small part of who I am. My reasons for joining this forum is to integrate myself more with people who are not child-free, hopefully make a few friends and perhaps learn something from one another. I don't want to go through life being defensive about not having children or feel I have to justify my choice. I don't want to be labelled as being 'child-free' or the like, but I have noticed that this is something I identify myself with more and more and this upsets me. OK, enough of my waffling. I hope what I've said has made some sense and that I've not offended anyone in the process, as that is completely the opposite of why I'm here. I'm shaking as I write this because I'm very aware of the disparity between women who have children and those who don't and am envisaging a backlash! I hope that doesn't happen and I'm looking forward to your replies.

Goldi xx

OP posts:
HandDivedScallopsrgreat · 16/02/2011 20:15

QS - my DH is a veteran motorcycle owner. Here is a club he belongs to, to get you started Grin

Susiewho · 16/02/2011 20:19

I can see the opening post on the forum now, HandDived, "I have no veteran motorcycle and don't want a veteran motorcycle (please don't let this put you off!)..."

Grin
ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 20:20

Goldi's been on radio4 you know....she only mentions it 100 times. They are now advising a woman to have her fallopian tubes removed, at 25, and not to tell her family. She's already got a counsellor and a psychiatrist.Hmm

Susiewho · 16/02/2011 20:22

ThePosie, I'm sure this isn't the correct response, but I'm only relieved that the people you've mentioned aren't planning on breeding!

freerangeeggs · 16/02/2011 20:23

Huh. Wish I'd read more of the thread before I posted now.

OP seems quite odd - not for being child free but for general online weirdness

earwicga · 16/02/2011 20:28

ThePosieParker - I salute you!

freerangeeggs · 16/02/2011 20:29

FWIW if there's such a thing as a 'child-free' gene I think it might be doomed to extinction in the near future.

Evolution: you're doing it wrong

TCOB · 16/02/2011 20:32

Knew I remembered OP from somewhere - she's popped up on the Guardian a few times (i.e.whenever anyone mentions they know a child/ were a child/ know of someone who used to be a child). Never knew that being child-free was so time-consuming!

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:09

Stacey would have posted this herself, except she's offline right now. But please read this :

The TCFL mods are NOT happy that the OP chose to bring TCFL into her parent board posts. If you're posting on a parenting board, please do so as a lone individual stating your opinions. Because this is no joke. The mod team is not impressed at having to spend their time dealing with a brewing flame war. TCFL is the most trafficked CF forum on the 'net. And Mumsnet is the largest Mommy forum on the 'net. We DO NOT want rumbles between two players here. Mumsnet gets mentioned on the freakin' news. We're not interested in pissing off a mommy forum with that much power - and internet forums do have power. Please think about that before you post links in other places.

TCFL isn't going to fight this war, or any war for that matter. We DO NOT want a flame war with Mumsnet or its members. If they want to roast Goldilockz for her comments, they are welcome to do so on their own site, where the offenses occurred. But TCFL will NOT get involved in the OP's offsite activities.

Goldilockz, TCFL does not have your back on this, and we want nothing to do with you stirring shit with Mumsnet. Please take your fight with them back to their turf and leave us out of it.

To anyone visiting from Mumsnet - again, we're not interested in starting a war over the actions and opinions of a lone poster. You're welcome to stay, read, and post if you feel the need, but please note the rules of the forum. In light of the current situation, we will take immediate action on any posts that we consider violate our forum rules.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:09

OOps sorry that's on the CF site!!

nenevomito · 16/02/2011 21:14

I know posie, I went to have a nosey and PMPL at that one.

We're on the freaking news dontcha know. Grin

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:28

Is it me or is it very off that a woman with numerous issues, OCD, Asperges is having her fallopian tubes removed at 25? Even though her psychiatrist and counsellor have advised her not too? In addition CFers are supporting her decision not to tell her mother at all? I have suggested she tell her mother who will be collecting her from her major surgery.

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 21:34

Ah, good on 'em really. I mean for refusing to sanction any "war", however they've worded it.

Posie - just wanted to pick up the bit about the 25yo wanting to be sterilised and having a counsellor and a psych - afaik that's normal (well, the counsellor bit is) because it isn't a "normal" thing to want to be sterilised at such a young age, so they tend to make young women jump through lots of hoops before they will allow them to be sterilised, including having counselling and possibly a psych evaluation. And they have to wait for a period to be certain it is what they want - take a look at freerangeeggs' post - one year later she changed her mind.

Not saying that all determined 20-something yo's will change their mind but the docs know enough to know that a fair percentage of them will, and that they could strongly regret their decision a decade later.

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:37

No she's with these professionals for a range of issues, neither agree that she should have the surgery....but she can pay for a surgeon to do it./

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 21:38

Ah, x-posted and sorry if telling you stuff you already know

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:42

It's alright, I have four children and so obviously no brainWinkGrin.

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 21:45

Mine went down the loo with the waters from my first one, I reckon! Grin

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 21:47

Actually, thinking about that 25yo, that has annoyed me now - she has issues, MH ones at that, and random people on some obsessed forum are encouraging her to go against her counsellor, her psych and her parents? That's so dangerous!! And if she has it done, in secret, and 5y down the line she actually does regret it - what comeback does she have? People really do need to step back from their own agenda sometimes and see the bigger picture...

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:54

I've been banned and so I sent this:

I must say I?m delighted. It?s great that there?s a forum where people vent there unreasonable behaviour?step mother that trophies being child free (who moans about a child living with her and has sex whilst the child wanders around?.that?s vile), a woman with mental health issues being advised to have major surgery without consent of her psychiatrist or knowledge of close family. You should be ashamed of yourselves, the blinkered need to have everyone in the same CF mindset means that people seeking advice also get told to bully their spouse into not wanting children.

Seriously weird people. I have loads of CF friends and none of them are so insecure about their life choice that they need to ensure everyone else stays in the same club, by discouraging critical thinking.

Your site is not difficult to penetrate but it?s dreadfully boring, people talking about something they have chosen not to do. Perhaps they should read how horrific it is for the 100s people who try to get their fertility back after surgery??

ThePosieParker · 16/02/2011 21:55

Anyway I'm off to bed!! Night thumbwitch! I looooooooove MN.

thumbwitch · 16/02/2011 21:59

Night TPP!

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 16/02/2011 22:17

Soooo.....are the owners veterans, or the motorcycles?

I really don't know where this sceptic feeling comes from. I have just had a think about work - of my other female peers in senior management only 2 of us have dc's the other 4 do not. Had to think about it really as it has never come up in conversation. Incidentally the two Mombies/ breeders or whatever work longer hours and travel more than their colleagues. But I suppose you'll find fault in that too, we are probably raising junior ASBO's by our neglect.

So tomorrow I will try and find out what the fuck they have been doing with their time, whilst I, and my colleague were sat at home rocking slowly and brainlessly drooling in our pyjamas with a baby hanging off our tits - as our colleagues are the same age as us, and had a year or so advantage surely that makes them underachievers to be at the same level as two mindless bibbling six figure sum earning mums?

Oh I forgot, they usually cruise in after us... at nine-ish.

steps101 · 16/02/2011 22:18

//We're not interested in pissing off a mommy forum with that much power - and internet forums do have power.//

Um, the power to do what, exactly?

seeminglyso · 16/02/2011 22:32

I am curious about this that you said

While I initially thought that adopting would be a reasonable compromise

so is your reason for not wanting children related to pregnancy and birth?

Binfullofmaggotsonthe45 · 16/02/2011 22:48

Seeminglyso I wouldn't worry about it, it was all a big stir up from someone on a Child Free Life forum.

Apparently she wasn't flaming, just trying to befriend the childed. WTF! They seem to have a special and really lovely set of names for us breeders.

We'll be calling our kids younglings next.

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