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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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msboogie · 21/01/2011 22:37

OP You know he is making a total and utter mug out of you and you are letting him!

The explanation for "you're in my head" is a CROCK! how on earth did you persuade yourself to believe that? Thousands wouldn't, really.

He really must think you came down in the last shower.

And why exactly does he need to meet with her? To discuss what exactly? - I seem to have missed that.

Why the fuck is he out every single Friday night until all hours while you are stuck at home? What kind of Stepford arrangement have you got going on here?

The thing is, an affair does not have to be about sex or an EA or writing twattish mucky sex twaddle over the internet. An affair is dishonestly spending time with a person who is not your partner instead of being with your partner.

He is having an affair with this woman. He wants to take it further because their relationship is conducted in the fantasy word of Friday night publand and SHE is loving every minute of it.

FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE WAKE UP WOMAN!

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 22:42

Oh yeah, msboogie. Couldn't agree more.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 22:43

Truth will tell if he comes home tonight when the pubs shut, or its another 2am-er...

If I were you, and had the strength to do it, I may be insisting that he either stays in with you on a Friday, or you get a babysitter and both go out together - then maybe you can be a bit more 'fun' without the responsibilities of looking after the kids on your own all the time. Im assuming you all went out together before the kids? And if he moans about the cost, well, maybe you can go out every other week, and he can stay in the alternate week to save for the babysitter on the Fridays you do go.

Sounds like C is suspicious, and has been mouthing off to people, who then have gone on to gossip, but because C is you OH's friend he doesnt want to look as if he is griping about him behind his back - probably because he valued their friendship.

And if C wont go for the 'everyone' meeting, dont see why you cant go along to this little meeting between your OH and R, take the kids too - why not ask her straight up why she is thinking its OK to go off with your OH, and why she isnt going home with her own boyfriend.

Have you even spoken to C about this - maybe he doesnt know how strongly you feel about it all? You are only getting the news secondhand through your OH. You even heard about the 'kissing' incident from your OH too - guess he was shitting it that someone would tell you before he could get his side of the story in. I had similar with my ex, who told me some cock and bull story about holding some girl's hand crossing the road, because she hadnt noticed a car....

totally agree with those that said that if this is causing so much grief for both you and C then it just shouldnt happen. If R doesnt like it and is harranging and upset -tough, your upset too - who's feelings are supposed to be the most important to your OH anyway?

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:43

WWFN, actually no - he was meant to but then he got his mum to have them as he thought he had to do a really late job in another town. But it turned out that his colleagues did a temporary cover job and he didn't have to go. He says he didn't find this out until he'd already dropped them at his mum's in their pyjamas. Yes he could have gone and got them again but it was late and he went for a drink instead. (I know, I know. in the light of things this doesn't look great either).

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clam · 21/01/2011 22:45

Oh, fgs, I'm fed up with this - and it's nothing to do with me either. YOU ARE MARRIED, and therefore did you not both vow at some point to "forsake all others?"
So how about he blows out on this whole bunch of losers and concentrate on getting his marriage with you back on track. Sod all their planned navel-gazing post-mortem chats about "the situation," whatever it is. It's not worth the breath. Can't he just say, "sorry guys, I'm not coming out for a while. DW and I have got some things planned."
And find some new, mutual friends.

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 22:46

OP... that ^ up there...seriously? Hmm

I really don't know what else to say. You are being made a fool of. Please listen.

dittany · 21/01/2011 22:47

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 22:48

No, it doesn't. You were out of town all night and he went out with her. I expect this is what compelled you to post this week, because it's occurred to you that there has never been a better opportunity than last Friday night for them to have sex, possibly in your house.

I'm sorry, that's a horrible thought to have to contend with, but your H is telling lies all the time, including the ones he told you about last Friday night. That "late job" was a complete fantasy - and you know that deep down, don't you?

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:48

Sounds like C is suspicious, and has been mouthing off to people, who then have gone on to gossip, but because C is you OH's friend he doesnt want to look as if he is griping about him behind his back - probably because he valued their friendship.

Yes NettleTea, i think so too.

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Mrsfluff · 21/01/2011 22:49

SJ, if this was all happening to your best friend what would you think of the situation, how would you advise her??

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 22:51

SJ... do you not care that in all likelihood, your husband is fucking this woman? Why are you focusing on the friendship with C? You're deliberately ignoring plain, plain signs.

Bloody hell, I'm gullible, but this takes the biscuit. I'm sad for you, but you're refusing to see any of it.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 22:51

sorry - just seen that your friend saw them kissing....

also if you dont like the pub, then maybe go to the pub sometimes, and where you like sometimes. If you want to fight for this you need to leave no room for this bitch to get her foot in

The text on Christmas would also big a big big warning too - why is he even thinking about her when he is sitting with the kids opening their presents. That is really off.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:54

so perceptive of WWIFN to ask if he really had the dc's while you were away last friday

that woman is worth her weight in gold

OP...if you listen to anyone, listen to WWIFN

he truth is in he small details here

lots of small details adding up to a fuckload of dishonesty and disrespect

hana21 · 21/01/2011 22:55

Call a babysitter and turn up if he loves u eventually he will appreciate how much this is bothering u. My husband loves me he would not of left the house tonight if this had happened he would be devastated I could think that of him . The info doesn't add up at all and it is true a liar always over complicates the lie . I hope for you your husband does the right thing. Exact same thing happened to my bro , his girlfriend cheated with his best friend the friend hated her at first and also thought she was a dick. My bros girlfriend and bf girlfriend were also friends. They were caught meeting up etc texting but not caught being intimate , I kept warning my brother about her . My bro bf and girlfriend went on to marry the same year my bro was best man and insisted his girlfriend still be bridesmaid. My brother soon after broke up with her due to more cheating. It has now made it hard for bf wife to look at wedding photos coz she is in them all. Sorry for going on prob doesn't help but the point was once she was caught my bro let her off so she did it again

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:55

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NettleTea · 21/01/2011 22:55

did his mum come over to babysit at your house - what time did he get in? Do you feel able to talk to her? If she had them at her house, when did he collect the kids?

This is playing out like my ex and the girlfriend he started seeing who hhe denied anything was going on with..... It took 2 years and him being drunk one night before he let it slip......

clam · 21/01/2011 22:55

His text to her said "I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best"

Think that proves what a load of bullshit he was spinning about "you're in my head a bit" meaning her and her boyfriend. It also makes me think that they haven't shagged yet, but it's not long off coming.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:59

they have shagged, no doubt

last friday

and possibly before that too

clam · 21/01/2011 22:59

Also, this: "It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language."
So that's alright then. Hmm

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 22:59

She knows.

She's playing stupid dumb girl who everyone is talking about, boo hoo, poor her, while she is innocent of everything, and your stupid thoughtless OH is falling for it

Everything except trying to steal your husband.

Sneaky bitch

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 23:00

no, NT

sneaky husband

GORGEOUSX · 21/01/2011 23:00

SJ32 My advice is as follows:

Open your eyes - your DH has no respect for you and most probably does not love you.

Any man who has not been henpecked persuaded into submission after 11 years is not in love with his spouse and is a lost cause.

Your DC are supposed to come first - that's what happens when you become a mother and that's what should happen when you become a father.

Clearly he is incredibly juvenile
Clearly they have a sexual relationship
Clearly they both get their jollies from being in a clandestine relationship

Solution:

Gather your DCs and take them to a close family member for the weekend - ideally your mother, if you have one.

Have a soak in the bath, do your hair, put make up on and go downstairs, in your sexiest outfit (Darcy-like husband always embarrasses himself when I wear my catwoman outfit) and tell that miserable wretch of a husband that you've been meaning to tell him for some time - but didn't know how to - that you've met someone else. You are very sorry, you have not done anything, you have not been unfaithful, but you can't get him out of your mind and you want a separation whilst you gather your thoughts.

Result: Juvenile husband will not be able to get you out of his mind. Wretched juvenile husband will be consumed with thoughts that maybe you're not his little obediant wifey after all and fancy you again. Also he will want what he (thinks) he can't have.

He will ask you to reconsider. In an ideal world you would tell him to Fuck Off, but I've no doubt you will take him back and he will resume his relations with her.

Now, I must go and see to DH who has been feeling rather neglected tonight due to my ramblings on here. Goodnight.

dittany · 21/01/2011 23:00

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clam · 21/01/2011 23:01

But you could interpret "If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best" as he's got the hots for her but hasn't officialy declared it yet. Non?

Makes no difference though. If it's in his head, then he might as well have gone the whole way.

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 23:02

SJ32. Why the fuck, in fuck's name, are you content for the two people who are having your marriage - instead of you - to go out and discuss the future of your marriage without you?

You describe yourself as assertive??!!! Even I wouldn't have rolled over for that one.

Either that or you want him out of your life anyway.

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