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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 23:02

non

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 23:03

Unless I'm mistaken AF and the OP added the bit about being away overnight last Friday for no apparent reason, I've learned that posters who are in denial always add snippets in the hope that someone will pick up on them.

findingthepath · 21/01/2011 23:03

I have to agree sorry but what your husband is doing is not right.

Did you ask him not to go out tonight?

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 23:03

Messy last sentence - do you want him to leave you?

pooka · 21/01/2011 23:03

I wouldn't bother with sexy outfits/baths and so on. If he doesn't know what he's losing and needs visual aids, then not worth the hassle.

Cock.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 23:03

Yes AF
REALLY Sneaky husband too
but I still maintain that the girl is playing a dirty one too...

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 23:05

oh yes, NT

that too

hana21 · 21/01/2011 23:06

If u don't know what I'm talking about that's for the best means SHIT SHE KNOWS PLAY DUMB DON'T TEXT ME

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 23:07

ok, look thanks and all but I'm gonna go for tonight. I'm just getting upset now and I need to get some sleep really.

He has just texted to say that he is meeting her on sunday, him one night next week and that other friends are still there and he won't stay out with just R.

I never thought for a second when I posted this yesterday that it would be this big, I thought maybe 10/20 posts with some differing viewpoints but not people telling me that I'm a mug and my dh is a liar who is definitely fucking someone else

I will maybe come back to this tomorrow, I will definitely show dh, i think he will be appalled actually.

Thanks for taking the time to post everyone.

OP posts:
KittyLit · 21/01/2011 23:09

SJ you definitely need to call and speak to C to discuss this with him. Get his point of view and tell him what you know - what you read on the email, how your H explained it away and how your friend V saw them kissing. Your H doesn't want you to interact with C and you need to ask yourself why. We can all see that C has suspicions, you have suspicions and together 2+2 would make 4, and your H wouldn't be able to whitewash over that, would he? But you can't (or don't want to) see that. Wise up and take control of this situation.

noddyholder · 21/01/2011 23:09

why is he meeting her sunday when he knows this has had a negative effect on you?He sounds a shit

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 23:09

How very sad.
if you do show this thread to dh, ask him to post so we can listen to his lies straight from the horses mouth.

Inertia · 21/01/2011 23:09

Hi SJ, another thread-lurker here.

You've told us a couple of times how assertive you are. Who are you trying to convince here, us or you? Because being assertive is about how you act - and , while your fingers are typing 'assertive', your actions are saying 'gullible'.

He went off to do some work, and conveniently came back later with emails which back up his story? He should have been opening everything up to you instantly in order to prove his innocence. But he doesn't need to, because you have apparently suspended all powers of disbelief.

Even if all he was doing was going out drinking until 3am with his best mate's gf, which is all he has owned up to, he is still taking the piss.

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 23:11

No he won't be appalled, he'll be slightly alarmed at first that a bunch o women on t'interweb ahve rumbled him, but then he'll be relieved that his DW is still safely in denial.

Good night SJ, sorry you are going through this. We'll be here for you when you're ready to face up to what's happening.

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 23:11

It all rings alarm bells, and very close to home. In a previous incarnation (prior to therapy) it happened to me with 3 differnt blokes. I was the 'stick my head in the sand' girl, not wanting to appear 'controlling' and allowing freedom - although I questioned and got lied to so badly (and really crap-ly).... pathetic really but I was so tied up in piecing all the lies together and trying to 'prove' something concrete that it never occurred to me to just leave..... Sadly thats what happens when someone repeatedly lies to you and fucks your head up, its not a nice place and Id hate anyone to walk that road.....

Now I know that a decent man doesnt need to be 'controlled' or have laws set down, as if they love you they know and understand what is acceptable, and wouldnt do anything that would deliberately upset you or risk messing up the relationship. They just wouldnt want to.

hana21 · 21/01/2011 23:11

The fucking bit is a bit strong think it is shock tactics but u do need to hear it even if it is completely wrong I hope it is . I just think no matter what your husband needs to learn u and your children come first and he needs to put u first cheating or not cheating he is not putting u as number 1 priority. He needs put in the effort and make u feel special

QuintessentialShadows · 21/01/2011 23:13

He should be appalled, SJ. At himself.

He treats you horrendously. What husband finds spending time out drinking with friend all the time more interesting than spending time with his family? What man lets another woman threaten his marriage?

A shit man. That's who.

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 23:14

Christ yes, a man who loves his wife who has been accused of infidelity, would be turning his house inside out to prove he is not having an affair, to reassure his wife and to apologise for his neglect and thoughtlessness.

He doesn't need to do any of this. He swans off with his mistress. That's how cocksure he is.

clam · 21/01/2011 23:14

WHY does he need to meet her on Sunday? Talking about this with her just highlights and reinforces its importance. When really it should be ditched with as little fanfare as possible.
Not sure what gain's to be had from showing him this thread. He'll probably write us all off as man-hating harridans.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 23:15

I am free Sunday

If you are in the Manchester area, I will babysit your kids while you go with him to meet her

you can thrash it all out then

after you have shown your H this thread

NettleTea · 21/01/2011 23:16

He says he isnt going out later with her, but has she started harranging him yet?? Lets hope he is home soon - pubs must be shutting about now. I would also be comparing notes with C.

KittyLit · 21/01/2011 23:16

That's right, show him this thread. Of course he'll be appalled, because we've got him caught bang to rights. But no doubt he'll be able to explain away every single thing that worries you, while at the same time drip feeding you comments about what a load of venemous biatches we are. That's before he spends more time away from his family on Sunday to meet R and more time away from his family one night next week to meet C. sigh

Sossiges · 21/01/2011 23:16

Mouseface I think I'm going to need all three SadAngry

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 23:17

What man goes out drinking with his mates including the other woman, just after his wife has told him she thinks he's having an affair?

An unfaithful one, that's what man.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 23:17

anybody laying bets Op won't be back tomorrow ?

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