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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:59

partner

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 22:00

Exactly HerBeX! Where are his priorities, OP? He knows that this is upsetting you and making you feel insecure, but he doesn't give a monkey's, mate.

Rannaldini · 21/01/2011 22:03

the worst thing about infidelity is the sheer disgusting level of dishonesty

the hideous bucket loads of dishonesty that totally destroys everything you ever had together

i'm dreadfully sorry but I think that this situation is horribly wrong
i also think that your husband is behaving in a way which will eventually make you despise him for his choices

please lay it out in a straightforward way

he has a simple choice, his friendship or his wife

do not apologise or compromise

Mouseface · 21/01/2011 22:04

FFS

I have pillows to soften the blow of head butting the wall, wine and codeine.

Who wants what?

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 22:06

YEs, true AF, badly worded from me.

He doesn't respect his friend - he's just less cocky about knowing that he can't control the fall-out from his behaviour in that relationship, the way he can with his relationship with his wife. He doesn't take his friendship with his mate, as much for granted as he does his marriage with his wife.

I am incandescent on your behalf SJ and you're in denial.

WTF is he leaving you alone with children on a friday night anyway? FFS! Does he think he's single and you're the nanny? FFS!

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:08

To reply to some earlier points:

MooMooFarm - yes she is rather closed off with me (friendly enough though) and a lot more relaxed with him. However, she has known him a lot longer and obviously they have spent a lot more time with him. For the first 18 months they knew eachother he thought she was a dick though.

BelleBelicious - thank you for your comments re this being a turning point for us, that is what I am hoping. Ditto SunRays, thanks.

mummery - I do remember the thread where the OP was waiting while her dh had a drink with the OW, believe me the similarities are duly noted! He came back home and moped around and then locked himself in the bathroom with his phone didn't he? If dh pulls anything like that tomorrow I will definitely not be being as calm and reasonable as I am trying to be tonight!

Mouseface - yes I do wonder if she might be enjoying the attention slightly. Me and dh have discussed this previously, he wonders if she may know what she's doing more than she lets on, and if she's trying to play power games with C or manipulate him in some way. He actually asked her this I think when they met a while ago but she didn't really answer. He is going to mention it again tomorrow, if this is the case then I doubt she'll admit it though tbh.

perfumedlife - you're home-made cookies comment made me pmsl so thanks! There is no way I would bake him home-made cookies, I don't even make him a packed lunch!

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TubbyDuffs · 21/01/2011 22:10

Ooh sorry, am with the other posters, he is seriously bullshitting you!

He doesn't have to go out with either of them on his own does he really? He doesn't have to meet with them to explain that he can't meet with them.

He has a wife, at home, who he can quite happily stay in with, or take out with him.

This all smells very bad.

He has thought up a very quick excuse with the you're in my head thing... it really can only mean one thing, and you are seriously deluding yourself if you can believe what he says.

Are you just waiting for him to walk out and tell you he's left you for another woman, or are you going to take control of your marriage?

ItsGraceAgain · 21/01/2011 22:15

HBX said: WTF is he leaving you alone with children on a friday night anyway? FFS! Does he think he's single and you're the nanny?

Personally I think THAT is the issue that will break you. It's easier to get all bogged down in the 'are they, aren't they' condundrum where the real problem is that he has a life completely separate from you & DC. He is not part of your family. Plus, he's putting emotional investment into his long 'talks' with Ms R instead of into his family.

Yes, you are a mug. Please stop that.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 22:20

Well if you've been together for 11 years and she has only been on the scene for 2, how is it that she has known your H for a lot longer than she has known you? Were you banned from meeting her for a long time, or just prevented as usual from socialising with her and your H because you were left at home (again) looking after the children?

This is madness. You are being lied to left, right and centre. If people in your group have been gossiping about this since he kissed her in October, you must be the object of pity and incomprehension. No wonder he doesn't want you out in public, because some kind soul might just take you to one side and tell you what everyone knows is going on.

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:22

It does seem as though he is being honest, it really does. He is not generally a liar. I told him today I don't particularly give a fuck about C and R's relationship and keeping things sweet for them is not on my list of priorities.

I agree that given the upset it has caused it's probably not a good idea for them to spend time together when it's just the 3 or the 2 of them. I think we both agree on this, like I said there are at least 2 other mutual friends out with them tonight.

If he continues to do so even if people are unhappy with it then I am not just gonna ignore it.

tubby - if he is going to leave me for her then he is going to leave me for her - it's pretty much out of my hands. I will not jump through hoops ang beg him to stay if that is what happens. But I can't see it tbh.

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Mrsfluff · 21/01/2011 22:22

TBH SJ32 I think you are seeing what you want to here. You had real fears/concerns regarding his relationship with her and his with you and yet he's not stayed in to reassure you and work on your relationship. Why are you being so blooming reasonable about it all????

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:23

what you cannot see is that it's already happened Sad

clam · 21/01/2011 22:24

If I were you I would be pissed off that she should be cool and "closed off" with you, yet relaxed around your DH. That is disrespectful - of her and of him for continuing to cosy up to someone who is rude (because that is what it is, really) to you.

And that's aside from all the other stuff.

clam · 21/01/2011 22:25

And wtf are they all doing out on a jolly tonight while you sit at home on your own?

CatPower · 21/01/2011 22:28

OP, please open your eyes. Deep down you know none of this is right, yet you seem to be going along with it for a quiet life. Your H and this R woman will be patting themselves on the back on a job well done, tonight. :(

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:30

Grace - thanks that is a good point. He says he likes to have drink on friday nights. He does work bloody hard and has always liked a drink, a bit too much really but that is not this issue - although it is related as R is the second biggest drinker and their friendship is very much based around drinking, more so than say being confidantes.

WWIFN, the second one really, I did meet her but we didn't see eachother enough to really get to know eachother.

I do get time to do things too, last friday I went to stay with my friend in another town and last night I had a drink after work with another friend. Last year he paid for me to fly to visit my friend in Dubai so it's not like I have no freedom, just nowhere near as much as he has.

And tbh i don't even want to go to that pub every friday, it's a shit pub anyway and I'm 32 years old so I like staying in with a cup of tea, you know!

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Mrsfluff · 21/01/2011 22:30

tubby - if he is going to leave me for her then he is going to leave me for her - it's pretty much out of my hands. I will not jump through hoops ang beg him to stay if that is what happens. But I can't see it tbh.

SJ, no you shouldn't beg, but fighting for your marriage isn't begging! You are so very passive in all this - it's your life and you need to stand up for yourself and stop allowing people to treat you like this!

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 22:30

But as clam says, why has he got a social life while you care for his children?

That would actually piss me off more than the OW, I think.

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 22:31

Sorry x posted.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:32

He "paid" for you to fly to Dubai ?

how very magnanimous of him

I dread to think what he did with all that extra freedom he got Hmm

KittyLit · 21/01/2011 22:33

Just come to this thread a bit late, but I've read it all and I agree with MW in that I can't believe what I've read on your update tonight. It's well known that liars put too much detail into their lies, as they think it will make them more believable - this is what he's done.

"when he said 'R - you're in my head a bit' he meant that the situation with C and R was doing his head in" No, he didn't.

"not that SHE was in his head" Yes, she is.

"and that the 'you're' refers to both of them, not just R." No, it doesn't. Read it. It says 'you're' not 'you and C'. He sounds like an educated man, I'm sure he knows how to phrase things correctly.

"One of the main issues I think is that C swears that it all stems from other people noticing stuff, but when dh talks to them about it they all say that it was C who was saying stuff." C has clearly noticed something is going on. Your DH is now trying to blame C - his best friend - for people spreading rumours. How do you know that's what these people who've witnessed the behaviour between your H and R have said to your H? Have you asked them yourself what they saw? Your friend V witnessed them kissing. Ask a few other friends who've seen them together and I'd bet my last rolo they'd say similar.

"dh says she 'harangues' him into coming out when he's said he's not going to" Oh please. She doesn't hold a gun to his head, does she? She doesn't make him stay out until 3am? He does that all of his own accord.

"They then agree to meet up again on saturday/sunday and discuss it properly" They are going to discuss how you are on to them, and how they can keep it more discreet.

"Either A) C is narked at the friendship, feels left out and has been talking to all and sundry about it or B) C has no issue with the friendship or anything but other 3rd parties have commented to him about it and suggested it's a bit weird or whatever." It's all someone else's fault, isn't it? Oh yes, your H definitely knows how to transfer that guilt like a pro.

"I would fucking love to be privy to these chats believe me but dh says there is no way they will go for it and I agree tbh. I would like us all to sit round together and discuss it like adults but he says no way." Why not? You are part of this group, aren't you? Then you should be there, and if it's all so innocent as he claims, then he wouldn't have a problem with this.

"admittedly there are other emails fro other times but I don't necessarily expect to see all his private correspondence"
Of course there are other emails, as you said previously, and they are probably a lot more telling. Which is why he has only shown you the tame one.

"So i am going to grit my teeth tonight (they are all out with other people) and tomorrow as that's when he's meeting R and C possibly." Better get used to gritting those teeth because this is never going to end unless you man up. What's that betting that tomorrow when he comes back, he'll say it's all sorted, they are all good friends and "oh by the way, I'm going out with R on Friday".

Look, I'm sorry if I seem harsh but I've been through a very similar situation and I can see what's coming. Reading this thread is like watching an accident happen in slow motion. My ex behaved in a very similar way - apparently I didn't pay him enough attention, if I so much as asked what time he'd be in I was accused of nagging him but nothing could be further from the truth - I was always very accommodating, gave him lots of freedom etc. Like another poster on here, I didn't want to rock the boat and wanted to keep the peace as I hate confrontation, plus I wanted to keep my relationship going. But I learned that 'head in the sand' attitude just doesn't work. Like you, I looked at his phone and found evidence of an affair but he denied it, then had a go at me for reading his texts and said 'that's why I'm texting someone else, because you're like this'. Men like this are very good at turning situations into being your/someone else's ffault. They all blame someone else. He now thinks he's got you under his spell. Please don't be complacent and accepting. His nights out need to stop. He needs to be a good husband and father, which he isn't when he's out with other people until silly o' clock in the morning. If he won't give up his nights out without you, then you'll know exactly what he thinks about you and your marriage.

Sorry this got so long, but having been through this myself, I don't want to see someone else being taken for a mug.

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:35

HerBeX - I hear you, I do. We will be discussing this. In fact I will show him this thread tomorrow.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 22:35

Did he stay in and look after the DCs last Friday then, when you were elsewhere overnight?

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 22:36

AF - well actually he paid half but whatever. And I know what he did, he had the kids for the 3 days.

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AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 22:37

really good post, kitty

OP, please listen to kitty