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dh and his best friends girlfriend - what shall I do?

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SJ32 · 20/01/2011 11:53

Hi, I think this is going to be a long one but I would really appreciate some advice, if anyone makes it that far!

dh and I have been together for 11 years, married for 6. We have 2 dcs, one pre-school and one school age. He has a best friend who he went to school with who we often hang out with, along with other mutual friends. This guy is also a v close friend of mine.

He got this new girlfriend a couple of years ago. She is a nice girl I think but kind of closed off and hard to get to know. She also acted in a weird, controlling and borderline abusive way to her partner, so for a long time my dh hated her, no-one else was massively keen either but we all tried to make an effort. ((For easiness' sake I'm gonna call dh's best friend C and his gf R)

Anyway, fast forward a bit and dh and her started to become friendlier. So friendly in fact that it seems people have begun to talk. The first I knew of it all was when dh told me (after I overheard a conversation between him and his best friend)that another friend, V had seen them kissing at a party in October, I must add that I was also at this party and saw nothing untoward. It turns out that it wasn't kissing, just possibly inappropriately intimate body-language.

So C has started to get the hump at the way dh and R have been behaving. They do stand and drink together and often will go on somewhere else alone after others have gone home. I'm not usually there as am looking after the dcs at home, dh goes out most friday nights til about 2-3am, nearly always with her. I know C feels uncomfortable and excluded but he hasn't talked to me about it.

dh says that C is being paranoid and unreasonable, and that there is nothing going on but that he likes R as a friend does not want to stop hanging out with her. I know they email eachother regularly while they're at work, and he texted her at like, 7.30 on Christmas morning, while the kids were in our room opening their presents (nice Hmm). I actually read the message later that day and it was all rather innocuous but still, 7.30 on Christmas morning!?!

Last week dh told me he was meeting R for a drink after work to talk about the situation with C. I wasn't keen tbh but he was obviously going to go anyway. He was gone about 3 hours, I don't know if C knows they met up.

Anyway, I have been feeling uneasy about this for a while and we have had a few arguments about it. One one occasion I asked how he would feel if I was out drinking all the time with another bloke and he said 'I'd ask myself why you wanted to spend so much time with someone else rather than with me' like implying it was my fault for being a crappy wife or something.

I asked him if he fancied her and he said no but he understands her and likes her a lot. Last night though I am sorry to say I looked at his phone while he was asleep. (I know, I know Blush). I found an email conversation between them from yesterday where he says 'R - you're in my head a bit, I'm sorry it's not your fault. I know I'm being a twat. Maybe it's best if I stop coming out. If you don't know what I'm talking about then that's for the best'

She then replies something about them meeting up to 'talk' and they vaguely arrange to meet up this weekend. He also says something like 'I care about you and want to keep talking to you and listening to you' whatever that means.

So, it would appear that C was right, their friendship is crossing a line. What do i do about it though, I know it was wrong to look at his phone and he'll probably be really angry. I guess this is why you shouldn't look, even if you find something you can't legitimately say anything!

Also, I can't help feeling slightly responsible as over the last year dh told me a couple of times he wasn't happy with the way our relationship had become kind of functional, with no passion or excitement. He says I don't consider him, and it's true that I probably don't prioritise our relationship like I should, the dcs have always come first I guess.

I know this whole thing sounds really teenage but I promise it's genuine, and I am actually quite a mature 32 year old! dh and i are the first of our peer group to get married and have dcs, everyone else still goes out getting pissed and carrying on like we all did 10 years ago.

I think I'll wait and see what happens this weekend, I don't feel comfortable with them meeting up to discuss how she's 'in his head a bit'. Tbh that sounds like playing with fire! If he does meet her he might lie about it anyway and say he's meeting someone else. Or should I confess to looking and ask him about it? I mean, he hasn't actually done anything with her yet, is it acceptable to have crushes and feelings as long as you don't act on them?

Some perspective would be really helpful, right now I am so confused and I just feel sick and shaky. Thank you for reading.

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madonnawhore · 21/01/2011 21:21

Sorry but...really?

Forget all the high school he said/she said rubbish. You're still stuck indoors on a Friday night and he's out with her having a lovely old time. Is he still going to meet her tomorrow too?

Their friendship is causing everyone grief - most importantly their respective partners - so it must end. End of.

What did he have to say about his disgraceful attitude towards you and the horrible, hurtful things he said about "wondering why he prefers to hang out with another woman"?

OP, I have had a couple of glasses of wine and admit I am feeling a bit ranty, but I'm afraid I think you're being mugged off here.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 21:25

How sad that you still can't state what your boundaries are and that you meekly accepted a "no way" to your request to be present.

None of this explains why he feels it was acceptable to be out until 2-3a.m. on his own with this woman, or why he felt the need to text her on Christmas Day.

So I expect while all these conversations are going on this weekend, you will be looking after the DCs as usual. Shameful, but your choice.

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 21:26

ok mw, I do see your point believe me. It did hurt when he said that it was basically coz I was so horrible that he felt he had to go out drinking with her so much, of course it did.

Yes he is still meeting her tomorrow. I am not saying I am happy about it but there you go. I have asked that it be in the daytime and be fairly brief.

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QuintessentialShadows · 21/01/2011 21:30
Hmm

Yeah right. And the sky is mostly yellow and green.

Even if (and it is a pretty big if) this is true:
Why is he, a grown man, even bothered about this immature crap between his friend and his girlfriend, why is he even making it his business? What interest is it TO HIM?
(Unless he wants to shag her and is waiting in the wings while the relationship between R and C breaks down)

Why do you put up with it?

Looks like your dh needs to stay in and watch Home and Away for a bit of unreal soap action.

perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 21:30

Oh my, he really has worked a number on you op. He must have absolutely zero respect for you.

What a crock of total bull

Nanny0gg · 21/01/2011 21:31

And then, isn't it time he started going out or staying in with you?

QuintessentialShadows · 21/01/2011 21:32

When he goes out, you should call this woman's boyfriend and have a chat with him.

Devendra · 21/01/2011 21:32

Sorry but I think its bullshit..

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:34

nothing changes then

ok, whatever

you are sat at home again while he meets some woman who appears to mean your marriage harm

and he is doing it again tomorrow

you do know you need to change your whole relationship don't you ?

these 3am nights out with other women ?

what the fuck are you putting up with that for ?

you are a mug, nothing more nothing less

you have the chance here to put your relationship on a more equal footing and you are taking note of the he said/she said bullshit

I have never seen a more frustrating thread in all my years on MN

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 21:37

WWFN, thank you for your posts. He has said that he doesn't want me there as it will make it into such a massive issue that things won't be ok with him and C anymore, they have been friends all their lives. He says can I please just let him deal with it his way. I am going to go along with this, it is not my preferred option by any means, but if things don't work out like I (we) hope they will then obviously I have the option of taking things further with C and /or R then.

Honesty, I am not a mug. I am quite an assertive person actually. But I love dh and I want to make this ok, I don't actually mind him being friends with R, IF that's all it is.

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madonnawhore · 21/01/2011 21:40

But him being friends with this R means him going out with her to 2 and 3 in the morning every weekend. neglecting his relationship with you, using you as a glorified baby sitter... that's what him being friends with her means to you. And you're really ok with that??

Can't believe what I'm reading tbh.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 21:42

Well you should mind and of course you do mind. You know bloody well that this woman is a threat to your marriage and you are putting up with appalling behaviour by both her and your H - for what?

To appear cool, secure and not in the least bit paranoid? So that your H can hang on to a friendship with his male friend that he has jeopardised, by snogging said mate's girlfiend (oh yes he did), staying out with her till all hours and sending her texts on Christmas morning? Telling you, his wife that he would rather spend time with this woman than you?

Where's your spleen and self-respect? Where's your assertiveness?

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:43

MW...come join me for a glass

and let's hide the relationships thread

it is time

TheDevilAndTheDeepBlueSea · 21/01/2011 21:43

I don't believe a word of it, sorry.

He's taking the piss out of you. All that detail.... all the talking.... it's over-egging the cake and he is doing that to make you feel like you're overreacting.

And at the end of it all, no matter how much he knows that you're upset by this, he expects you to just suck it up?

Cunt.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:45

my spleen has fucking exploded

I will be picking pieces of it out of the lampshades for months

madonnawhore · 21/01/2011 21:45

@ AF

clam · 21/01/2011 21:45

Even if he's not shagging her, or wanting to, I would still say the whole scenario is beyond weird and needs to stop. I don't have a problem at all with couples having friends of the opposite sex, but not like this. There's grief all round so I would say it needs to be binned. All sounds very intense and unhealthy. Whatever its basis, it is a threat to your marriage.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:46

< holds glass aloft >

SJ32 · 21/01/2011 21:47

OK, her boyfriend IS out with them, as are other mutual friends of there's. They are not always alone together, they have ended up alone at the end of a night out a few times and he has met her for a drink after work on her own once.

NannyOgg - yes I hope that is what will happen, that we will either share our leisure time away from the home more equally, say alternate fridays or that he will go out less. We have arranged to go out for dinner next weekend so that's a start.

AF, I do see how this is frustrating but we have 2 young kids, we've been married a long time and although things are far from perfect we do still have love and respect for eachother. I wouldn't walk away just on the grounds of what I already know, however I am not a mug and I will not be taken the piss out of by them, so if I feel this is happening I will be taking further action.

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perfumedlife · 21/01/2011 21:53

Sj, sorry to be brutal but you are a mug and he doesn't have any respect for you.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:55

we've been married a long time and although things are far from perfect we do still have love and respect for eachother.

you might, but he doesn't

however I am not a mug and I will not be taken the piss out of by them, so if I feel this is happening I will be taking further action.

I am so sorry, but that particular horse has bolted

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 21/01/2011 21:55

OP you say you respect eachother. How does this behaviour demonstrate respect for you?

auntpolly · 21/01/2011 21:55

But from an objective viewpoint it does look like you are being taken for a mug. This friendship makes you and his close friend (whom he was friends with before she came along) uncomfortable and suspicious. He texted her first thing on christmas day, he said "you're in my head" (I don't buy the explanation of that) and he made a jibe about wanting to spend more time with her than you.
Why is his friendship with her so valuable that he will pursue it despite everyone's misgivings? I think it's because he fancies her and enjoys the attention.
At the very least, you need to get a babysitter so that you can join him on nights out, or he needs to stay in with you. Just carrying on as before makes a mug of you, he needs to change his behaviour now.

HerBeX · 21/01/2011 21:55

What is he doing to repair his relationship?

FFS you have serious relationship problems and he is prioritising going out with this woman over staying in and working on your marriage?

And why are you responsible for his friendship with his best friend? Who fuckign cares about whether his friendship is blown apart by his behaviour? What about his fucking marriage? He has more respect for his friend than he has for his wife.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2011 21:58

no, he doesn' even respect his (male) friend

because he is having an affair with his friends
pertner

the only thing getting any respect in this shitty situation is the "grand romance" between OP's DH and the silly cow who is playing a large part in wrecking a marriage